Maemo Elections - Extended

Re: Maemo Elections - Extended

Felipe Crochik

2012-04-04 11:51 UTC
> Why the need to create a new Maemo site - in 2012? Apart from paying

> > the maintenance bill, Nokia is not doing anything at maemo.org. The
> > cost is mainly the extras/downloads part, which is something not
> > trivial (neither cheap) to replicate elsewhere.
>
> I agree with Quim here. There is no way to successfully replicate all
> the hard work done on Maemo.org. Bring other projects in and make it
> bigger.
>

+1.... It is a little naive of me but as long as we have lots of users with
interest on the maemo.org, Nikia will also.

Just the fact that so many new harmattan users found maemo to be their home
tells about how good this community is.
I am actually more concerned with the future of meego.com than maemo.org

The one part of maemo.org that (especially as a developer) frustrates me is
the extras "promotion" - I don't think giving super power to a couple
users is the answer (it may be a band-aid for now). It is a larger problem
and has been for a quite a while. I think the decision of installing
something that is "devel" quality, "testing" quality or "extras" quality
should be left to the user on an application basis (maybe something like a
"stability indicator" next to the "user rating" is all that is needed. We
should try again to work with whatever is left of meego (appsformeego, obs,
...)

I don't think we need garage either (there are so many other places that
can be used, like the projects @ nokia.com).

Ultimately, I think the goal should to aggregate and not disperse.

Just wanted to add my 2ct - I don't think maemo.org is dead!

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Re: Maemo Elections - Extended

RM Bauer
Karma: 552
2012-04-04 12:32 UTC
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 7:51 AM, Felipe Crochik <felipe@crochik.com> wrote:

> > Why the need to create a new Maemo site - in 2012? Apart from paying
>
>> > the maintenance bill, Nokia is not doing anything at maemo.org. The
>> > cost is mainly the extras/downloads part, which is something not
>> > trivial (neither cheap) to replicate elsewhere.
>>
>> I agree with Quim here. There is no way to successfully replicate all
>> the hard work done on Maemo.org. Bring other projects in and make it
>> bigger.
>>
>
> It is a little naive of me but as long as we have lots of users with
> interest on the maemo.org, Nokia will also.
>
> Just the fact that so many new harmattan users found maemo to be their
> home tells about how good this community is.
> I am actually more concerned with the future of meego.com than maemo.org
>
> The one part of maemo.org that (especially as a developer) frustrates me
> is the extras "promotion" - I don't think giving super power to a couple
> users is the answer (it may be a band-aid for now). It is a larger problem
> and has been for a quite a while. I think the decision of installing
> something that is "devel" quality, "testing" quality or "extras" quality
> should be left to the user on an application basis (maybe something like a
> "stability indicator" next to the "user rating" is all that is needed. We
> should try again to work with whatever is left of meego (appsformeego, obs,
> ...)
>
> I don't think we need garage either (there are so many other places that
> can be used, like the projects @ nokia.com).
>
> Ultimately, I think the goal should to aggregate and not disperse.
>
> Just wanted to add my 2ct - I don't think maemo.org is dead!
>

Hi Felipe,

It is nice to see so many people returning back to maemo and taking an
interest in making it better.

Rob

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Re: Maemo Elections - Extended

Andrew Flegg
Karma: 3257
2012-04-04 12:48 UTC
On 4 April 2012 13:32, robert bauer <nybauer@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It is nice to see so many people returning back to maemo and taking an
> interest in making it better.

Here, and on TMO[1], you're making the assumption that people have
gone away and are returning to Maemo. My hypothesis is that the
centralisation of discussions in a single thread on TMO ("Ask the
Council"[2] is the only response I seem to get pointed to) has meant
an inability for large swathes of the community to contribute.

Your argument that "those of us who are working on maemo are a small
group but we know the status of the community and what each of us are
about" is fallacious as it also supports my hypothesis: the "number of
people who are working on maemo[sic]" is small _because_ of poor
communication and outreach.

Regards,

Andrew

[1] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1187548#post1187548
[2] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1181570#post1181570 - 78 pages. Yum.

--
Andrew Flegg -- mailto:andrew@bleb.org  |  http://www.bleb.org/
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Re: Maemo Elections - Extended

Aniello Del Sorbo
Karma: 827
2012-04-04 12:56 UTC
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 12:49, Reggie Suplido
<reggie@internettablettalk.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 7:21 AM, Jeremiah C.
> Foster <jeremiah@jeremiahfoster.com> wrote:
>
>> I agree with Quim here. There is no way to successfully replicate all
>> the hard work done on Maemo.org. Bring other projects in and make it
>> bigger.
>
>
> Hmm. All the while I thought that this "plan b" is what the current council
> is pushing for? I'm glad that one is at least not in favor.
>

Oh if you need more voices not in favo(u)r, count me in.

Aniello
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Re: Maemo Elections - Extended

Aniello Del Sorbo
Karma: 827
2012-04-04 13:00 UTC
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 13:48, Andrew Flegg <andrew@bleb.org> wrote:
> On 4 April 2012 13:32, robert bauer <nybauer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It is nice to see so many people returning back to maemo and taking an
>> interest in making it better.
>
> Here, and on TMO[1], you're making the assumption that people have
> gone away and are returning to Maemo.

Exactly what I was going to write. Inactive in TMO != gone.

Anyway it would be nice to have a small summary of the current biggest
issues that the next council will face and should fix. I have been
inactive and didn't follow TMO for a long time, so that would be
really useful in order for me to understand what candidates are
planning to do and how.

Unfortunately I don't even know who to ask to to make that summary!
I will try to skim thru the TMO threads though.

Aniello
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Re: Maemo Elections - Extended

Felipe Crochik

2012-04-04 13:40 UTC
Hi Rob,

I have never left! Have to say that for personal reasons haven't been as
involved as before but I am still here!

Maemo.org is a very special place for me!

BTW, I understand your frustration of depending on "someone else" for
everything and anything!

I know that Quim have A LOT MORE on his plate but have to say that having
him back as Nokia's point of contact immediately gave me hope!

Not sure if it makes any sense to try this now or if it is better to wait
after the election but hopefully we can start to gather all "the community
issues/desires/hopes and dreams" into a document so we can discuss have a
public discussion with Quim and hopefully decide on some action items. I
believe we need a community proposal. I also believe we MUST have an
election this time and would love to see more candidates so we can have one
and still abide to the rules.

Having people disagree is great - it shows we care! Maybe we can build up
on this!

Felipe



On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 8:32 AM, robert bauer <nybauer@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 7:51 AM, Felipe Crochik <felipe@crochik.com> wrote:
>
>> > Why the need to create a new Maemo site - in 2012? Apart from paying
>>
>>> > the maintenance bill, Nokia is not doing anything at maemo.org. The
>>> > cost is mainly the extras/downloads part, which is something not
>>> > trivial (neither cheap) to replicate elsewhere.
>>>
>>> I agree with Quim here. There is no way to successfully replicate all
>>> the hard work done on Maemo.org. Bring other projects in and make it
>>> bigger.
>>>
>>
>> It is a little naive of me but as long as we have lots of users with
>> interest on the maemo.org, Nokia will also.
>>
>> Just the fact that so many new harmattan users found maemo to be their
>> home tells about how good this community is.
>> I am actually more concerned with the future of meego.com than maemo.org
>>
>> The one part of maemo.org that (especially as a developer) frustrates me
>> is the extras "promotion" - I don't think giving super power to a couple
>> users is the answer (it may be a band-aid for now). It is a larger problem
>> and has been for a quite a while. I think the decision of installing
>> something that is "devel" quality, "testing" quality or "extras" quality
>> should be left to the user on an application basis (maybe something like a
>> "stability indicator" next to the "user rating" is all that is needed. We
>> should try again to work with whatever is left of meego (appsformeego, obs,
>> ...)
>>
>> I don't think we need garage either (there are so many other places that
>> can be used, like the projects @ nokia.com).
>>
>> Ultimately, I think the goal should to aggregate and not disperse.
>>
>> Just wanted to add my 2ct - I don't think maemo.org is dead!
>>
>
> Hi Felipe,
>
> It is nice to see so many people returning back to maemo and taking an
> interest in making it better.
>
> Rob
>
>
>
>

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Re: Maemo Elections - Extended

JOSEPHCHARPAK

2012-04-04 14:11 UTC
It should be compiled before the election. A major perceived problem is that the council finds it hard to achieve momentum as by the time the council has decided anything, the council's term is half over.

Joseph Charpak


----- Original Message -----
From: "Felipe Crochik" <felipe@crochik.com>
To: "List for community development" <maemo-community@maemo.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 9:40:42 AM
Subject: Re: Maemo Elections - Extended

Hi Rob,

I have never left! Have to say that for personal reasons haven't been as involved as before but I am still here!

Maemo.org is a very special place for me!

BTW, I understand your frustration of depending on "someone else" for everything and anything!

I know that Quim have A LOT MORE on his plate but have to say that having him back as Nokia's point of contact immediately gave me hope!

Not sure if it makes any sense to try this now or if it is better to wait after the election but hopefully we can start to gather all "the community issues/desires/hopes and dreams" into a document so we can discuss have a public discussion with Quim and hopefully decide on some action items. I believe we need a community proposal. I also believe we MUST have an election this time and would love to see more candidates so we can have one and still abide to the rules.

Having people disagree is great - it shows we care! Maybe we can build up on this!

Felipe




On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 8:32 AM, robert bauer < nybauer@gmail.com > wrote:






On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 7:51 AM, Felipe Crochik < felipe@crochik.com > wrote:

<blockquote>


> Why the need to create a new Maemo site - in 2012? Apart from paying


<blockquote>

> the maintenance bill, Nokia is not doing anything at maemo.org . The
> cost is mainly the extras/downloads part, which is something not
> trivial (neither cheap) to replicate elsewhere.

I agree with Quim here. There is no way to successfully replicate all
the hard work done on Maemo.org. Bring other projects in and make it
bigger.



It is a little naive of me but as long as we have lots of users with interest on the maemo.org , Nokia will also.


Just the fact that so many new harmattan users found maemo to be their home tells about how good this community is.
I am actually more concerned with the future of meego.com than maemo.org

The one part of maemo.org that (especially as a developer) frustrates me is the extras "promotion" - I don't think giving super power to a couple users is the answer (it may be a band-aid for now). It is a larger problem and has been for a quite a while. I think the decision of installing something that is "devel" quality, "testing" quality or "extras" quality should be left to the user on an application basis (maybe something like a "stability indicator" next to the "user rating" is all that is needed. We should try again to work with whatever is left of meego (appsformeego, obs, ...)

I don't think we need garage either (there are so many other places that can be used, like the projects @ nokia.com ).

Ultimately, I think the goal should to aggregate and not disperse.

Just wanted to add my 2ct - I don't think maemo.org is dead!

</blockquote>

Hi Felipe,

It is nice to see so many people returning back to maemo and taking an interest in making it better.

Rob


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Re: Maemo Elections - Extended

RM Bauer
Karma: 552
2012-04-04 14:13 UTC
Sure, sorry, didn't mean to offend you or anyone else. Just meant to
acknowledge it is nice that there is a lot more discussion the last few
days. It was not a happy moment when I was in San Francisco and realized
the nomination period would have to be extended. I think we will indeed
have a vote this time.

I think we (maemo) have to address the Community OBS before the election.
Mer is already thinking about it (they think MeeGo will go dark at some
point) and we should speak up if we want to participate and have a
fremantle target.

Rob


On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Felipe Crochik <felipe@crochik.com> wrote:

> Hi Rob,
>
> I have never left! Have to say that for personal reasons haven't been as
> involved as before but I am still here!
>
> Maemo.org is a very special place for me!
>
> BTW, I understand your frustration of depending on "someone else" for
> everything and anything!
>
> I know that Quim have A LOT MORE on his plate but have to say that having
> him back as Nokia's point of contact immediately gave me hope!
>
> Not sure if it makes any sense to try this now or if it is better to wait
> after the election but hopefully we can start to gather all "the community
> issues/desires/hopes and dreams" into a document so we can discuss have a
> public discussion with Quim and hopefully decide on some action items. I
> believe we need a community proposal. I also believe we MUST have an
> election this time and would love to see more candidates so we can have one
> and still abide to the rules.
>
> Having people disagree is great - it shows we care! Maybe we can build up
> on this!
>
> Felipe
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 8:32 AM, robert bauer <nybauer@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 7:51 AM, Felipe Crochik <felipe@crochik.com>wrote:
>>
>>> > Why the need to create a new Maemo site - in 2012? Apart from paying
>>>
>>>> > the maintenance bill, Nokia is not doing anything at maemo.org. The
>>>> > cost is mainly the extras/downloads part, which is something not
>>>> > trivial (neither cheap) to replicate elsewhere.
>>>>
>>>> I agree with Quim here. There is no way to successfully replicate all
>>>> the hard work done on Maemo.org. Bring other projects in and make it
>>>> bigger.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It is a little naive of me but as long as we have lots of users with
>>> interest on the maemo.org, Nokia will also.
>>>
>>> Just the fact that so many new harmattan users found maemo to be their
>>> home tells about how good this community is.
>>> I am actually more concerned with the future of meego.com than maemo.org
>>>
>>> The one part of maemo.org that (especially as a developer) frustrates
>>> me is the extras "promotion" - I don't think giving super power to a
>>> couple users is the answer (it may be a band-aid for now). It is a larger
>>> problem and has been for a quite a while. I think the decision of
>>> installing something that is "devel" quality, "testing" quality or "extras"
>>> quality should be left to the user on an application basis (maybe something
>>> like a "stability indicator" next to the "user rating" is all that is
>>> needed. We should try again to work with whatever is left of meego
>>> (appsformeego, obs, ...)
>>>
>>> I don't think we need garage either (there are so many other places that
>>> can be used, like the projects @ nokia.com).
>>>
>>> Ultimately, I think the goal should to aggregate and not disperse.
>>>
>>> Just wanted to add my 2ct - I don't think maemo.org is dead!
>>>
>>
>> Hi Felipe,
>>
>> It is nice to see so many people returning back to maemo and taking an
>> interest in making it better.
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

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Re: Maemo Elections - Extended

Timo Härkönen
Karma: 417
2012-04-04 14:14 UTC
I started a thread in tmo in hope of getting the problems and possible
solutions in a single place. That can be moved into the wiki later to give
it better home.

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1187930

-Timo

4. huhtikuuta 2012 17.11 JOSEPHCHARPAK <josephcharpak@comcast.net>kirjoitti:

> It should be compiled before the election. A major perceived problem is
> that the council finds it hard to achieve momentum as by the time the
> council has decided anything, the council's term is half over.
>
> Joseph Charpak
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Felipe Crochik" <felipe@crochik.com>
>
> *To: *"List for community development" <maemo-community@maemo.org>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, April 4, 2012 9:40:42 AM
> *Subject: *Re: Maemo Elections - Extended
>
>
> Hi Rob,
>
> I have never left! Have to say that for personal reasons haven't been as
> involved as before but I am still here!
>
> Maemo.org is a very special place for me!
>
> BTW, I understand your frustration of depending on "someone else" for
> everything and anything!
>
> I know that Quim have A LOT MORE on his plate but have to say that having
> him back as Nokia's point of contact immediately gave me hope!
>
> Not sure if it makes any sense to try this now or if it is better to wait
> after the election but hopefully we can start to gather all "the community
> issues/desires/hopes and dreams" into a document so we can discuss have a
> public discussion with Quim and hopefully decide on some action items. I
> believe we need a community proposal. I also believe we MUST have an
> election this time and would love to see more candidates so we can have one
> and still abide to the rules.
>
> Having people disagree is great - it shows we care! Maybe we can build up
> on this!
>
> Felipe
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 8:32 AM, robert bauer <nybauer@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 7:51 AM, Felipe Crochik <felipe@crochik.com>wrote:
>>
>>> > Why the need to create a new Maemo site - in 2012? Apart from paying
>>>
>>>> > the maintenance bill, Nokia is not doing anything at maemo.org. The
>>>> > cost is mainly the extras/downloads part, which is something not
>>>> > trivial (neither cheap) to replicate elsewhere.
>>>>
>>>> I agree with Quim here. There is no way to successfully replicate all
>>>> the hard work done on Maemo.org. Bring other projects in and make it
>>>> bigger.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It is a little naive of me but as long as we have lots of users with
>>> interest on the maemo.org, Nokia will also.
>>>
>>> Just the fact that so many new harmattan users found maemo to be their
>>> home tells about how good this community is.
>>> I am actually more concerned with the future of meego.com than maemo.org
>>>
>>> The one part of maemo.org that (especially as a developer) frustrates
>>> me is the extras "promotion" - I don't think giving super power to a
>>> couple users is the answer (it may be a band-aid for now). It is a larger
>>> problem and has been for a quite a while. I think the decision of
>>> installing something that is "devel" quality, "testing" quality or "extras"
>>> quality should be left to the user on an application basis (maybe something
>>> like a "stability indicator" next to the "user rating" is all that is
>>> needed. We should try again to work with whatever is left of meego
>>> (appsformeego, obs, ...)
>>>
>>> I don't think we need garage either (there are so many other places that
>>> can be used, like the projects @ nokia.com).
>>>
>>> Ultimately, I think the goal should to aggregate and not disperse.
>>>
>>> Just wanted to add my 2ct - I don't think maemo.org is dead!
>>>
>>
>> Hi Felipe,
>>
>> It is nice to see so many people returning back to maemo and taking an
>> interest in making it better.
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

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Re: Maemo Elections - Extended

Reggie Suplido
Karma: 915
2012-04-04 14:17 UTC
Thanks for starting that thread Timo. FYI, X-Fade has replied on that
thread.

On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Timo Härkönen <timop.harkonen@gmail.com>wrote:

> I started a thread in tmo in hope of getting the problems and possible
> solutions in a single place. That can be moved into the wiki later to give
> it better home.
>
> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1187930
>
> -Timo
>
> 4. huhtikuuta 2012 17.11 JOSEPHCHARPAK <josephcharpak@comcast.net>kirjoitti:
>
> It should be compiled before the election. A major perceived problem is
>> that the council finds it hard to achieve momentum as by the time the
>> council has decided anything, the council's term is half over.
>>
>> Joseph Charpak
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: *"Felipe Crochik" <felipe@crochik.com>
>>
>> *To: *"List for community development" <maemo-community@maemo.org>
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, April 4, 2012 9:40:42 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: Maemo Elections - Extended
>>
>>
>> Hi Rob,
>>
>> I have never left! Have to say that for personal reasons haven't been as
>> involved as before but I am still here!
>>
>> Maemo.org is a very special place for me!
>>
>> BTW, I understand your frustration of depending on "someone else" for
>> everything and anything!
>>
>> I know that Quim have A LOT MORE on his plate but have to say that having
>> him back as Nokia's point of contact immediately gave me hope!
>>
>> Not sure if it makes any sense to try this now or if it is better to wait
>> after the election but hopefully we can start to gather all "the community
>> issues/desires/hopes and dreams" into a document so we can discuss have a
>> public discussion with Quim and hopefully decide on some action items. I
>> believe we need a community proposal. I also believe we MUST have an
>> election this time and would love to see more candidates so we can have one
>> and still abide to the rules.
>>
>> Having people disagree is great - it shows we care! Maybe we can build up
>> on this!
>>
>> Felipe
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 8:32 AM, robert bauer <nybauer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 7:51 AM, Felipe Crochik <felipe@crochik.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> > Why the need to create a new Maemo site - in 2012? Apart from paying
>>>>
>>>>> > the maintenance bill, Nokia is not doing anything at maemo.org. The
>>>>> > cost is mainly the extras/downloads part, which is something not
>>>>> > trivial (neither cheap) to replicate elsewhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree with Quim here. There is no way to successfully replicate all
>>>>> the hard work done on Maemo.org. Bring other projects in and make it
>>>>> bigger.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It is a little naive of me but as long as we have lots of users with
>>>> interest on the maemo.org, Nokia will also.
>>>>
>>>> Just the fact that so many new harmattan users found maemo to be their
>>>> home tells about how good this community is.
>>>> I am actually more concerned with the future of meego.com than
>>>> maemo.org
>>>>
>>>> The one part of maemo.org that (especially as a developer) frustrates
>>>> me is the extras "promotion" - I don't think giving super power to a
>>>> couple users is the answer (it may be a band-aid for now). It is a larger
>>>> problem and has been for a quite a while. I think the decision of
>>>> installing something that is "devel" quality, "testing" quality or "extras"
>>>> quality should be left to the user on an application basis (maybe something
>>>> like a "stability indicator" next to the "user rating" is all that is
>>>> needed. We should try again to work with whatever is left of meego
>>>> (appsformeego, obs, ...)
>>>>
>>>> I don't think we need garage either (there are so many other places
>>>> that can be used, like the projects @ nokia.com).
>>>>
>>>> Ultimately, I think the goal should to aggregate and not disperse.
>>>>
>>>> Just wanted to add my 2ct - I don't think maemo.org is dead!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Felipe,
>>>
>>> It is nice to see so many people returning back to maemo and taking an
>>> interest in making it better.
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

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