Re: N9 device seeding activity
Re: N9 device seeding activity
Re: N9 device seeding activity
2012-04-27 08:47 UTC
Hi
27. huhtikuuta 2012 5.20 robert bauer <nybauer@gmail.com> kirjoitti:
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Timo Härkönen <timop.harkonen@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> 26. huhtikuuta 2012 16.53 Iván Gálvez Junquera <ivgalvez@gmail.com>kirjoitti:
>>
>> I completely agree about coordinating with Council and the number of
>>> devices as proposed by Rob and Cosimo.
>>>
>>
>> I agree on the device amount for the competition but didn't see anyone
>> proposing an amount for the seeding itself. So I'm proposing 80 to get that
>> discussion going. That would make the total number of devices 100. I think
>> the seeding should be done like proposed earlier by providing a wiki page
>> where people willing to get one need to add their details including past,
>> current and planned contributions to the community. So pretty similar thing
>> that Quim & co. used with the meego developer device program. And then the
>> council decides who gets a device.
>>
>> In any case I'd like to see the requirements for getting a device clearly
>> documented (after there's a consensus for them) to the same wiki page. So
>> I'd ask for Maemo.org user name with link to the profile, description of
>> contributions with links to those and summary of future plans. So my main
>> requirerement would be contributions that benefit the community. There's a
>> lot of stuff that be contributed to the community and they should all have
>> some weight. Contributions can be applications, other development, QA,
>> helping people, communications (think about what people behind the weekly
>> news are doing) or something else.
>>
> Basically agreed. I'd like to see future plans given minimal weight -
> it's hard to gauge promises, etc, and IMO these should be viewed as
> unexpected rewards/thank yous for those who have served the community. I
> think the time period should be the last year or two so someone who left
> the community can't claim a device based on service they did three years
> ago. If we could do it (and I know it's not feasible), I'd use karma over
> the last 1-2 years as a rough starting point (maybe drop tmo posts, but not
> tmo thanks) And by community contributions, we should clarify we mean the
> maemo.org community (no disrespect to Mer/nemo/qt/meego/etc). And I
> think we should allow nomination of others instead of just
> self-nominations, and community members to give +1s to the nominations of
> others on the wiki page. (mindful to determine that people can't receive a
> second device if they already have one)
>
>
I see your point but I wouldn't go for the unexpected reward thing. I'm
more into looking into what is going on now since I see this something
that's one purpose is to activate the community. Sure it would be nice to
say to a lot of people "thank you" for their past contributions but I don't
see it benefiting the community that much.. Although I'd guess that at the
end of day it's a case by case thing where multiple things affect the
decision so we can't be too strict on the requirements.
Naturally the maemo.org community is the target group here. Althought some
people have been doing things in all of the mentioned communities. It
shouldn't be seen as a negative thing from maemo.org's pow. Many things
done in the other communities benefit maemo.org as well. But yeah. I agree
that the things done directly within maemo.org context are the ones that
matter here.
I don't have too strong opinion on letting people nominate others even
though I'd just let people nominate only themselves. imo it makes this
simpler and doesn't turn this into a popularity contest - even though
popularity of a project, etc. is most likely something that the council
takes into account when picking the receipients. Besides requiring self
nominations gives an indication that one actually needs/wants a device.
>
>> This might sound like self evident but when it comes to free gadgets the
>> rules need to be very clear and the instance who has the final say clearly
>> definded (the council). And I also agree that in no situation should one
>> single person be able to make the call on who gets a device or not.
>> Therefore I'd wait until the new council has been elected (no disrepect to
>> Rob intended).
>>
> I agree we should let new council (or a committee they select) decide who
> gets a device, but not wait on determining the criteria to be applied so we
> can meet the deadline qgil has requested.
>
yep. one rule came to my mind: requirement for maemo.org account created
before the 04/2010 and some minimun karma requirement (for example 100)?
Anyway. I'd keep the requirement/rules as simple as possible and give the
council a bit flexibility on picking the receipients. My version of the
rules (currently) would be:
- maemo.org account created before 4/2012
- karma at least 100
- Not for commercial / closed source developers
- Entry to a wiki page containing the following details:
-> link to maemo.org user profile
-> Short summary of past and ongoing contributions (applications,
testing, etc.) with links to back up the claims.
-> Short summary of furure plans (if any)
- deadline for requests - xx.yy.2012 23:59 (after that the page is set to
read only)
That should imo give enough info to the council to able to start evaluating
the candidates.
Timo
>
> Rob
>
>
>
>
27. huhtikuuta 2012 5.20 robert bauer <nybauer@gmail.com> kirjoitti:
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Timo Härkönen <timop.harkonen@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> 26. huhtikuuta 2012 16.53 Iván Gálvez Junquera <ivgalvez@gmail.com>kirjoitti:
>>
>> I completely agree about coordinating with Council and the number of
>>> devices as proposed by Rob and Cosimo.
>>>
>>
>> I agree on the device amount for the competition but didn't see anyone
>> proposing an amount for the seeding itself. So I'm proposing 80 to get that
>> discussion going. That would make the total number of devices 100. I think
>> the seeding should be done like proposed earlier by providing a wiki page
>> where people willing to get one need to add their details including past,
>> current and planned contributions to the community. So pretty similar thing
>> that Quim & co. used with the meego developer device program. And then the
>> council decides who gets a device.
>>
>> In any case I'd like to see the requirements for getting a device clearly
>> documented (after there's a consensus for them) to the same wiki page. So
>> I'd ask for Maemo.org user name with link to the profile, description of
>> contributions with links to those and summary of future plans. So my main
>> requirerement would be contributions that benefit the community. There's a
>> lot of stuff that be contributed to the community and they should all have
>> some weight. Contributions can be applications, other development, QA,
>> helping people, communications (think about what people behind the weekly
>> news are doing) or something else.
>>
> Basically agreed. I'd like to see future plans given minimal weight -
> it's hard to gauge promises, etc, and IMO these should be viewed as
> unexpected rewards/thank yous for those who have served the community. I
> think the time period should be the last year or two so someone who left
> the community can't claim a device based on service they did three years
> ago. If we could do it (and I know it's not feasible), I'd use karma over
> the last 1-2 years as a rough starting point (maybe drop tmo posts, but not
> tmo thanks) And by community contributions, we should clarify we mean the
> maemo.org community (no disrespect to Mer/nemo/qt/meego/etc). And I
> think we should allow nomination of others instead of just
> self-nominations, and community members to give +1s to the nominations of
> others on the wiki page. (mindful to determine that people can't receive a
> second device if they already have one)
>
>
I see your point but I wouldn't go for the unexpected reward thing. I'm
more into looking into what is going on now since I see this something
that's one purpose is to activate the community. Sure it would be nice to
say to a lot of people "thank you" for their past contributions but I don't
see it benefiting the community that much.. Although I'd guess that at the
end of day it's a case by case thing where multiple things affect the
decision so we can't be too strict on the requirements.
Naturally the maemo.org community is the target group here. Althought some
people have been doing things in all of the mentioned communities. It
shouldn't be seen as a negative thing from maemo.org's pow. Many things
done in the other communities benefit maemo.org as well. But yeah. I agree
that the things done directly within maemo.org context are the ones that
matter here.
I don't have too strong opinion on letting people nominate others even
though I'd just let people nominate only themselves. imo it makes this
simpler and doesn't turn this into a popularity contest - even though
popularity of a project, etc. is most likely something that the council
takes into account when picking the receipients. Besides requiring self
nominations gives an indication that one actually needs/wants a device.
>
>> This might sound like self evident but when it comes to free gadgets the
>> rules need to be very clear and the instance who has the final say clearly
>> definded (the council). And I also agree that in no situation should one
>> single person be able to make the call on who gets a device or not.
>> Therefore I'd wait until the new council has been elected (no disrepect to
>> Rob intended).
>>
> I agree we should let new council (or a committee they select) decide who
> gets a device, but not wait on determining the criteria to be applied so we
> can meet the deadline qgil has requested.
>
yep. one rule came to my mind: requirement for maemo.org account created
before the 04/2010 and some minimun karma requirement (for example 100)?
Anyway. I'd keep the requirement/rules as simple as possible and give the
council a bit flexibility on picking the receipients. My version of the
rules (currently) would be:
- maemo.org account created before 4/2012
- karma at least 100
- Not for commercial / closed source developers
- Entry to a wiki page containing the following details:
-> link to maemo.org user profile
-> Short summary of past and ongoing contributions (applications,
testing, etc.) with links to back up the claims.
-> Short summary of furure plans (if any)
- deadline for requests - xx.yy.2012 23:59 (after that the page is set to
read only)
That should imo give enough info to the council to able to start evaluating
the candidates.
Timo
>
> Rob
>
>
>
>
Re: N9 device seeding activity
2012-04-27 18:51 UTC
On 04/26/2012 10:40 AM, ext Quim Gil wrote:
> Alright, 25 devices for the coding competition. Based on last year's
> precedent. Confirmed.
There is already a precedent con the coding competition. You can discuss
the details out of this thread since the seeding part is resolved. Let's
continue with the rest of seeding activities here.
Note that I was asking more details about the community awards, not the
coding competition:
> About the community awards... 25 devices more sounds a bit arbitrary.
> How is it organized? Are there categories or is it just about finding
> the right people? Can we keep the deadline around the beginning of June
> to avoid the clash with Summer holidays?
>
> Devices will default to N950, having a few N9s available just in case.
>
> Note that I'd still would like to keep devices for other two activities:
>
> - Existing projects being ported/polished for the Nokia Store.
>
> - Qt 5 experimental projects.
PS: sorry for awkward quoting in this lest. For some reason I get only a
small % of the posts to my @nokia.com account. I subscribed with my
personal email address only to make sure I'm not missing emails.
--
Quim
> Alright, 25 devices for the coding competition. Based on last year's
> precedent. Confirmed.
There is already a precedent con the coding competition. You can discuss
the details out of this thread since the seeding part is resolved. Let's
continue with the rest of seeding activities here.
Note that I was asking more details about the community awards, not the
coding competition:
> About the community awards... 25 devices more sounds a bit arbitrary.
> How is it organized? Are there categories or is it just about finding
> the right people? Can we keep the deadline around the beginning of June
> to avoid the clash with Summer holidays?
>
> Devices will default to N950, having a few N9s available just in case.
>
> Note that I'd still would like to keep devices for other two activities:
>
> - Existing projects being ported/polished for the Nokia Store.
>
> - Qt 5 experimental projects.
PS: sorry for awkward quoting in this lest. For some reason I get only a
small % of the posts to my @nokia.com account. I subscribed with my
personal email address only to make sure I'm not missing emails.
--
Quim
Re: N9 device seeding activity
2012-04-27 20:20 UTC
In regards to the community program, I think we should let people such as itsnotabigtruck and schturman have devices, people that aren't part of launchpad and have no means of getting devices other than their contributions to the Harmattan Community. There are a lot more, but it seems most known developers for Harmattan have N950's or N9's.
--
Arie
www.everythingn9.com
@everythingN9 on twitter
Sent from my Nokia N9
On 4/27/12 2:51 PM Quim Gil wrote:
On 04/26/2012 10:40 AM, ext Quim Gil wrote:
> Alright, 25 devices for the coding competition. Based on last year's
> precedent. Confirmed.
There is already a precedent con the coding competition. You can discuss
the details out of this thread since the seeding part is resolved. Let's
continue with the rest of seeding activities here.
Note that I was asking more details about the community awards, not the
coding competition:
> About the community awards... 25 devices more sounds a bit arbitrary.
> How is it organized? Are there categories or is it just about finding
> the right people? Can we keep the deadline around the beginning of June
> to avoid the clash with Summer holidays?
>
> Devices will default to N950, having a few N9s available just in case.
>
> Note that I'd still would like to keep devices for other two activities:
>
> - Existing projects being ported/polished for the Nokia Store.
>
> - Qt 5 experimental projects.
PS: sorry for awkward quoting in this lest. For some reason I get only a
small % of the posts to my @nokia.com account. I subscribed with my
personal email address only to make sure I'm not missing emails.
--
Quim
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Sent from my Nokia N9
On 4/27/12 2:51 PM Quim Gil wrote:
On 04/26/2012 10:40 AM, ext Quim Gil wrote:
> Alright, 25 devices for the coding competition. Based on last year's
> precedent. Confirmed.
There is already a precedent con the coding competition. You can discuss
the details out of this thread since the seeding part is resolved. Let's
continue with the rest of seeding activities here.
Note that I was asking more details about the community awards, not the
coding competition:
> About the community awards... 25 devices more sounds a bit arbitrary.
> How is it organized? Are there categories or is it just about finding
> the right people? Can we keep the deadline around the beginning of June
> to avoid the clash with Summer holidays?
>
> Devices will default to N950, having a few N9s available just in case.
>
> Note that I'd still would like to keep devices for other two activities:
>
> - Existing projects being ported/polished for the Nokia Store.
>
> - Qt 5 experimental projects.
PS: sorry for awkward quoting in this lest. For some reason I get only a
small % of the posts to my @nokia.com account. I subscribed with my
personal email address only to make sure I'm not missing emails.
--
Quim
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Re: N9 device seeding activity
2012-04-27 21:35 UTC
Yes, thats true. I and a friend from me we started together in Qt. I have only an old N900 and nobody from us has enoogh money to buy a N9 at the moment. The last time, we don't know it about the N950. We started with an app for collectors (eg DVDs or books) to take your db in your pocket. But there is no device for testing the speed of the app and i prefer the N950 because i use the hardware keyboard very often since i got for two years the N97.
Maybe this time we have luck?
----- Ursprüngliche Mitteilung -----
> In regards to the community program, I think we should let people such
> as itsnotabigtruck and schturman have devices, people that aren't part
> of launchpad and have no means of getting devices other than their
> contributions to the Harmattan Community. There are a lot more, but it
> seems most known developers for Harmattan have N950's or N9's.
>
> --
>
> Arie
>
> www.everythingn9.com
>
> @everythingN9 on twitter
> Sent from my Nokia N9
>
>
>
> On 4/27/12 2:51 PM Quim Gil wrote:
>
> On 04/26/2012 10:40 AM, ext Quim Gil wrote:
> > Alright, 25 devices for the coding competition. Based on last year's
> > precedent. Confirmed.
>
>
> There is already a precedent con the coding competition. You can discuss
> the details out of this thread since the seeding part is resolved. Let's
> continue with the rest of seeding activities here.
>
>
> Note that I was asking more details about the community awards, not the
> coding competition:
>
>
> > About the community awards... 25 devices more sounds a bit arbitrary.
> > How is it organized? Are there categories or is it just about finding
> > the right people? Can we keep the deadline around the beginning of June
> > to avoid the clash with Summer holidays?
> >
> > Devices will default to N950, having a few N9s available just in case.
> >
> > Note that I'd still would like to keep devices for other two
> > activities:
> >
> > - Existing projects being ported/polished for the Nokia Store.
> >
> > - Qt 5 experimental projects.
>
>
> PS: sorry for awkward quoting in this lest. For some reason I get only a
> small % of the posts to my @nokia.com account. I subscribed with my
> personal email address only to make sure I'm not missing emails.
>
> --
>
> Quim
>
>
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>
>
Maybe this time we have luck?
----- Ursprüngliche Mitteilung -----
> In regards to the community program, I think we should let people such
> as itsnotabigtruck and schturman have devices, people that aren't part
> of launchpad and have no means of getting devices other than their
> contributions to the Harmattan Community. There are a lot more, but it
> seems most known developers for Harmattan have N950's or N9's.
>
> --
>
> Arie
>
> www.everythingn9.com
>
> @everythingN9 on twitter
> Sent from my Nokia N9
>
>
>
> On 4/27/12 2:51 PM Quim Gil wrote:
>
> On 04/26/2012 10:40 AM, ext Quim Gil wrote:
> > Alright, 25 devices for the coding competition. Based on last year's
> > precedent. Confirmed.
>
>
> There is already a precedent con the coding competition. You can discuss
> the details out of this thread since the seeding part is resolved. Let's
> continue with the rest of seeding activities here.
>
>
> Note that I was asking more details about the community awards, not the
> coding competition:
>
>
> > About the community awards... 25 devices more sounds a bit arbitrary.
> > How is it organized? Are there categories or is it just about finding
> > the right people? Can we keep the deadline around the beginning of June
> > to avoid the clash with Summer holidays?
> >
> > Devices will default to N950, having a few N9s available just in case.
> >
> > Note that I'd still would like to keep devices for other two
> > activities:
> >
> > - Existing projects being ported/polished for the Nokia Store.
> >
> > - Qt 5 experimental projects.
>
>
> PS: sorry for awkward quoting in this lest. For some reason I get only a
> small % of the posts to my @nokia.com account. I subscribed with my
> personal email address only to make sure I'm not missing emails.
>
> --
>
> Quim
>
>
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>
>
Re: N9 device seeding activity
2012-05-03 11:36 UTC
Since Nokia apparently wants a decision around the beginning of June, then
I think we need to choose some specific dates for the community awards so
there is plenty of time for the new council to select the recipients in
that time frame. How about:
May 10 Finalize criteria and post wiki page
May 10-30 Promote activity and receive applications
June 5 New Council Committee of 3 selects winners
June 10 Devices sent
Rob
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Quim Gil <quim.gil@nokia.com> wrote:
> Alright, 25 devices for the coding competition. Based on last year's
> precedent. Confirmed.
>
> About the community awards... 25 devices more sounds a bit arbitrary. How
> is it organized? Are there categories or is it just about finding the right
> people? Can we keep the deadline around the beginning of June to avoid the
> clash with Summer holidays?
>
> Devices will default to N950, having a few N9s available just in case.
>
> Note that I'd still would like to keep devices for other two activities:
>
> - Existing projects being ported/polished for the Nokia Store.
>
> - Qt 5 experimental projects.
>
>
> --
> Quim
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>
I think we need to choose some specific dates for the community awards so
there is plenty of time for the new council to select the recipients in
that time frame. How about:
May 10 Finalize criteria and post wiki page
May 10-30 Promote activity and receive applications
June 5 New Council Committee of 3 selects winners
June 10 Devices sent
Rob
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Quim Gil <quim.gil@nokia.com> wrote:
> Alright, 25 devices for the coding competition. Based on last year's
> precedent. Confirmed.
>
> About the community awards... 25 devices more sounds a bit arbitrary. How
> is it organized? Are there categories or is it just about finding the right
> people? Can we keep the deadline around the beginning of June to avoid the
> clash with Summer holidays?
>
> Devices will default to N950, having a few N9s available just in case.
>
> Note that I'd still would like to keep devices for other two activities:
>
> - Existing projects being ported/polished for the Nokia Store.
>
> - Qt 5 experimental projects.
>
>
> --
> Quim
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Re: N9 device seeding activity
2012-05-03 12:03 UTC
2012/5/3 robert bauer <nybauer@gmail.com>
> Since Nokia apparently wants a decision around the beginning of June, then
> I think we need to choose some specific dates for the community awards so
> there is plenty of time for the new council to select the recipients in
> that time frame. How about:
>
> May 10 Finalize criteria and post wiki page
> May 10-30 Promote activity and receive applications
> June 5 New Council Committee of 3 selects winners
> June 10 Devices sent
>
> Rob
Sounds good.
I think the criteria for getting one could be simply "Someone who is/has
been useful to the community and has a good use for the device".
Determining who fits into that is left to the council based on the details
in the wiki page provided by the candidate. I shared my take on the details
to be asked from the candidates earlier in the thread.
Timo
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Quim Gil <quim.gil@nokia.com> wrote:
>
>> Alright, 25 devices for the coding competition. Based on last year's
>> precedent. Confirmed.
>>
>> About the community awards... 25 devices more sounds a bit arbitrary. How
>> is it organized? Are there categories or is it just about finding the right
>> people? Can we keep the deadline around the beginning of June to avoid the
>> clash with Summer holidays?
>>
>> Devices will default to N950, having a few N9s available just in case.
>>
>> Note that I'd still would like to keep devices for other two activities:
>>
>> - Existing projects being ported/polished for the Nokia Store.
>>
>> - Qt 5 experimental projects.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Quim
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>>
>
>
>
>
> Since Nokia apparently wants a decision around the beginning of June, then
> I think we need to choose some specific dates for the community awards so
> there is plenty of time for the new council to select the recipients in
> that time frame. How about:
>
> May 10 Finalize criteria and post wiki page
> May 10-30 Promote activity and receive applications
> June 5 New Council Committee of 3 selects winners
> June 10 Devices sent
>
> Rob
Sounds good.
I think the criteria for getting one could be simply "Someone who is/has
been useful to the community and has a good use for the device".
Determining who fits into that is left to the council based on the details
in the wiki page provided by the candidate. I shared my take on the details
to be asked from the candidates earlier in the thread.
Timo
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Quim Gil <quim.gil@nokia.com> wrote:
>
>> Alright, 25 devices for the coding competition. Based on last year's
>> precedent. Confirmed.
>>
>> About the community awards... 25 devices more sounds a bit arbitrary. How
>> is it organized? Are there categories or is it just about finding the right
>> people? Can we keep the deadline around the beginning of June to avoid the
>> clash with Summer holidays?
>>
>> Devices will default to N950, having a few N9s available just in case.
>>
>> Note that I'd still would like to keep devices for other two activities:
>>
>> - Existing projects being ported/polished for the Nokia Store.
>>
>> - Qt 5 experimental projects.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Quim
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>>
>
>
>
>
Re: N9 device seeding activity
2012-05-08 18:39 UTC
Today I received a written confirmation you that I can start in September this
year, an apprenticeship as programmer at a software company close
here. Learning
content include C + +, Java and SQL. I would be happy if I will this time
considered from Nokia, although I have not much experience and I with
my programming
skills are starting out. For me, this is also the opportunity in this
direction to further develop myself. My head is full of ideas which I happy
to share with others and want to realize together. Hence my request that you
encourage and supports beginners in common, but they also experienced
enthusiastic developers of other systems (IOS, Android, ...) for our
platform.
2012/5/3 Timo Härkönen <timop.harkonen@gmail.com>
>
>
> 2012/5/3 robert bauer <nybauer@gmail.com>
>
>> Since Nokia apparently wants a decision around the beginning of June,
>> then I think we need to choose some specific dates for the community awards
>> so there is plenty of time for the new council to select the recipients in
>> that time frame. How about:
>>
>> May 10 Finalize criteria and post wiki page
>> May 10-30 Promote activity and receive applications
>> June 5 New Council Committee of 3 selects winners
>> June 10 Devices sent
>>
>> Rob
>
>
> Sounds good.
>
> I think the criteria for getting one could be simply "Someone who is/has
> been useful to the community and has a good use for the device".
> Determining who fits into that is left to the council based on the details
> in the wiki page provided by the candidate. I shared my take on the details
> to be asked from the candidates earlier in the thread.
>
> Timo
>
>
>>
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>> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Quim Gil <quim.gil@nokia.com> wrote:
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>>> Alright, 25 devices for the coding competition. Based on last year's
>>> precedent. Confirmed.
>>>
>>> About the community awards... 25 devices more sounds a bit arbitrary.
>>> How is it organized? Are there categories or is it just about finding the
>>> right people? Can we keep the deadline around the beginning of June to
>>> avoid the clash with Summer holidays?
>>>
>>> Devices will default to N950, having a few N9s available just in case.
>>>
>>> Note that I'd still would like to keep devices for other two activities:
>>>
>>> - Existing projects being ported/polished for the Nokia Store.
>>>
>>> - Qt 5 experimental projects.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Quim
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year, an apprenticeship as programmer at a software company close
here. Learning
content include C + +, Java and SQL. I would be happy if I will this time
considered from Nokia, although I have not much experience and I with
my programming
skills are starting out. For me, this is also the opportunity in this
direction to further develop myself. My head is full of ideas which I happy
to share with others and want to realize together. Hence my request that you
encourage and supports beginners in common, but they also experienced
enthusiastic developers of other systems (IOS, Android, ...) for our
platform.
2012/5/3 Timo Härkönen <timop.harkonen@gmail.com>
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>
> 2012/5/3 robert bauer <nybauer@gmail.com>
>
>> Since Nokia apparently wants a decision around the beginning of June,
>> then I think we need to choose some specific dates for the community awards
>> so there is plenty of time for the new council to select the recipients in
>> that time frame. How about:
>>
>> May 10 Finalize criteria and post wiki page
>> May 10-30 Promote activity and receive applications
>> June 5 New Council Committee of 3 selects winners
>> June 10 Devices sent
>>
>> Rob
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>
> Sounds good.
>
> I think the criteria for getting one could be simply "Someone who is/has
> been useful to the community and has a good use for the device".
> Determining who fits into that is left to the council based on the details
> in the wiki page provided by the candidate. I shared my take on the details
> to be asked from the candidates earlier in the thread.
>
> Timo
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Quim Gil <quim.gil@nokia.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Alright, 25 devices for the coding competition. Based on last year's
>>> precedent. Confirmed.
>>>
>>> About the community awards... 25 devices more sounds a bit arbitrary.
>>> How is it organized? Are there categories or is it just about finding the
>>> right people? Can we keep the deadline around the beginning of June to
>>> avoid the clash with Summer holidays?
>>>
>>> Devices will default to N950, having a few N9s available just in case.
>>>
>>> Note that I'd still would like to keep devices for other two activities:
>>>
>>> - Existing projects being ported/polished for the Nokia Store.
>>>
>>> - Qt 5 experimental projects.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Quim
>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>> maemo-community mailing list
>>> maemo-community@maemo.org
>>> https://lists.maemo.org/**mailman/listinfo/maemo-**community<https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community>
>>>
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>
> Hi
>
> 26. huhtikuuta 2012 16.53 Iván Gálvez Junquera <ivgalvez@gmail.com>kirjoitti:
>
> I completely agree about coordinating with Council and the number of
>> devices as proposed by Rob and Cosimo.
>>
>
> I agree on the device amount for the competition but didn't see anyone
> proposing an amount for the seeding itself. So I'm proposing 80 to get that
> discussion going. That would make the total number of devices 100. I think
> the seeding should be done like proposed earlier by providing a wiki page
> where people willing to get one need to add their details including past,
> current and planned contributions to the community. So pretty similar thing
> that Quim & co. used with the meego developer device program. And then the
> council decides who gets a device.
>
> In any case I'd like to see the requirements for getting a device clearly
> documented (after there's a consensus for them) to the same wiki page. So
> I'd ask for Maemo.org user name with link to the profile, description of
> contributions with links to those and summary of future plans. So my main
> requirerement would be contributions that benefit the community. There's a
> lot of stuff that be contributed to the community and they should all have
> some weight. Contributions can be applications, other development, QA,
> helping people, communications (think about what people behind the weekly
> news are doing) or something else.
>
Basically agreed. I'd like to see future plans given minimal weight - it's
hard to gauge promises, etc, and IMO these should be viewed as unexpected
rewards/thank yous for those who have served the community. I think the
time period should be the last year or two so someone who left the
community can't claim a device based on service they did three years ago.
If we could do it (and I know it's not feasible), I'd use karma over the
last 1-2 years as a rough starting point (maybe drop tmo posts, but not tmo
thanks) And by community contributions, we should clarify we mean the
maemo.org community (no disrespect to Mer/nemo/qt/meego/etc). And I think
we should allow nomination of others instead of just self-nominations, and
community members to give +1s to the nominations of others on the wiki
page. (mindful to determine that people can't receive a second device if
they already have one)
>
> This might sound like self evident but when it comes to free gadgets the
> rules need to be very clear and the instance who has the final say clearly
> definded (the council). And I also agree that in no situation should one
> single person be able to make the call on who gets a device or not.
> Therefore I'd wait until the new council has been elected (no disrepect to
> Rob intended).
>
I agree we should let new council (or a committee they select) decide who
gets a device, but not wait on determining the criteria to be applied so we
can meet the deadline qgil has requested.
Rob