Re: N9 device seeding activity

My maemo.org username is Arie, I'm still answering those questions.
Arie

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On 4/21/12 4:37 AM Andrew Flegg wrote:

On 20 April 2012 18:47, <arie@everythingn9.com> wrote:
> I am accepting my Nomination for the community council and would like to
> run.


Could you confirm your maemo.org username? Could you outline why
you're running and what you'd like to achieve?


There are some additional questions on

http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_May_2012/Candidate_declarations


Thanks in advance,


Andrew

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On 21 April 2012 14:05, <arie@everythingn9.com> wrote:
> My maemo.org username is Arie, I'm still answering those questions.

Unfortunately your account isn't elligble to stand at the moment, as
it only has "karma" of 3:

http://maemo.org/profile/view/arie/

According to the Election Process, you must have a karma of 100 or higher:

http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Election_process

If you are an active TMO user, have you linked your accounts? This
may, after a recalculation, give you enough points to be eligible:

http://wiki.maemo.org/Link_talk.maemo.org_account_with_maemo.org_profile

Hope that helps,

Andrew

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On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Quim Gil <quim.gil@nokia.com> wrote:

> Maybe the simplest approach is to organize different activities and agree
> on an amount devices to allocate for each.
>
> Instead of discussing THE criteria for allocating all those devices we
> could agree who organizes what and how many devices that activity is
> requesting.
>
> Also because it feels that it's not easy to pull resources for a full
> fledged seeding program. That takes a serious amount if time and energy, I
> can tell.
>
> We could have:
>
> - Competition. Focus on ADM / Extras / community repos. Put the N950s
> there. I have asked how many we have). Winners could have an option of
> getting an N9 instead.
>
> - Publish your OSS app at Nokia Store. The goal being to channel to all N9
> users the good stuff that now lies elsewhere.
>
> - Your app in Qt 5. Show your Qt 4 app and your plan to demo it running in
> Qt 5 on N9.
>
> - Prizes for great maemo.org contributors in any areas: betatesting,
> infrastructure, forum/IRC support and engagement, promotion...
>
> Anything else?
>
>
> I could help directly on Nokia Store & Qt 5 since these tasks are closely
> related to my work and the reasons why I'm able to offer these devices. Who
> would want to step in for any of these tasks?
>
> The competition and the prizes for contributors are defined by categories,
> therefore it would be relatively easy to calculate the amount of devices
> needed. Then we could split the rest for the remaining activities.
>
> What do you think?
>
>
OK, but I'd like to keep "Improvements in apps infra at maemo.org or the
evolution of COBS" as one of the activities.

I'd like to know if the timeline can be relaxed a bit, and also the number
of devices. The Competition has a clear process (although it could be
tweaked), and maemo.org can handle prizes for contributors. I'm not sure
how Nokia Store & Qt5 would work, but what help would you want from
maemo.org community for those - just to promote?

Rob

To boost porting & releasing softwares for MeeGo Harmattan : Nokia
Store & Apps ForMeeGo should be only a recommendation as they can't
accept softwares with external dependencies like Maemo.org
repositories.

Even a .deb posted in a specific Talk Maemo.org topic should be enough
because it is simple to install.

Hi

21. huhtikuuta 2012 20.24 Roberto Colistete Jr. <roberto.colistete@gmail.com
> kirjoitti:

> To boost porting & releasing softwares for MeeGo Harmattan : Nokia
> Store & Apps ForMeeGo should be only a recommendation as they can't
> accept softwares with external dependencies like Maemo.org
> repositories.
>

I don't see anyone saying that's the only way to go. If someone has needs
for a device to do an open source application with a purpose of publishing
it through the store I would see that as valid reason to ask for a device
given that there's enough reason to believe it will actually happen. Same
should apply for any other reason for requesting a device. platform
hacking, QA, application development, porting Qt5 or whatever.

afaik the external dependency thing in apps.formeego is only a policy issue
not a technical thing. So not really an issue just something that needs to
be discussed. Actually what is the proper place to discuss things like
apps.formeego policy? As I've understood it the goal now is to unify things
with it and maemo.org by introducing maemo targets to obs. I'd think this
list would be it.

/me waves at apps.formeego.org guys


>
> Even a .deb posted in a specific Talk Maemo.org topic should be enough
> because it is simple to install.
>

IMHO not even close enough. We have repositories and build machinery for a
reason. things like ensuring clean build environment, making sure the
needed dependencies are there and so on. Besides most of the deb drops in
tmo I have seen do not even include a link to the sources so again no. We
should be encouraging people to use the proper channels to distribute their
stuff (be it the store, apps.formeego or maemo.org repos) not posting links
to binary deb packages in tmo.

-Timo


>

On 4/21/12, Timo Härkönen <timop.harkonen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> 21. huhtikuuta 2012 20.24 Roberto Colistete Jr. <roberto.colistete@gmail.com
>> kirjoitti:
>
>> To boost porting & releasing softwares for MeeGo Harmattan : Nokia
>> Store & Apps ForMeeGo should be only a recommendation as they can't
>> accept softwares with external dependencies like Maemo.org
>> repositories.
>>
>
> I don't see anyone saying that's the only way to go. If someone has needs
> for a device to do an open source application with a purpose of publishing
> it through the store I would see that as valid reason to ask for a device
> given that there's enough reason to believe it will actually happen. Same
> should apply for any other reason for requesting a device. platform
> hacking, QA, application development, porting Qt5 or whatever.
>
> afaik the external dependency thing in apps.formeego is only a policy issue
> not a technical thing. So not really an issue just something that needs to
> be discussed. Actually what is the proper place to discuss things like
> apps.formeego policy? As I've understood it the goal now is to unify things
> with it and maemo.org by introducing maemo targets to obs. I'd think this
> list would be it.

AFAIK, the external dependency limitation in Apps ForMeeGo is technical.

For example, I've packaged MatPlotLib (a well know FOSS Python
library) and it is in a Talk Maemo.org
(http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80353) because it can't be
published in Nokia Store / Apps ForMeeGo (because it needs external
dependencies / multiple .debs).

Many other FOSS projects which can be ported to MeeGo Harmattan
fall in the same limitation. Maemo 4/5 OS has Maemo.org repositories
with dependencies capabilities.

>> Even a .deb posted in a specific Talk Maemo.org topic should be enough
>> because it is simple to install.
>>
>
> IMHO not even close enough. We have repositories and build machinery for a
> reason. things like ensuring clean build environment, making sure the
> needed dependencies are there and so on. Besides most of the deb drops in
> tmo I have seen do not even include a link to the sources so again no. We
> should be encouraging people to use the proper channels to distribute their
> stuff (be it the store, apps.formeego or maemo.org repos) not posting links
> to binary deb packages in tmo.

Better : even a Talk Maemo.org topic (or link to other site) with
links to source-code and .deb's. Ok ? Nobody is lazy here, like
Inception, overclocking, etc projects.

Hi

21. huhtikuuta 2012 23.44 Roberto Colistete Jr. <roberto.colistete@gmail.com
> kirjoitti:

> On 4/21/12, Timo Härkönen <timop.harkonen@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > 21. huhtikuuta 2012 20.24 Roberto Colistete Jr. <
> roberto.colistete@gmail.com
> >> kirjoitti:
> >
> >> To boost porting & releasing softwares for MeeGo Harmattan : Nokia
> >> Store & Apps ForMeeGo should be only a recommendation as they can't
> >> accept softwares with external dependencies like Maemo.org
> >> repositories.
> >>
> >
> > I don't see anyone saying that's the only way to go. If someone has needs
> > for a device to do an open source application with a purpose of
> publishing
> > it through the store I would see that as valid reason to ask for a device
> > given that there's enough reason to believe it will actually happen. Same
> > should apply for any other reason for requesting a device. platform
> > hacking, QA, application development, porting Qt5 or whatever.
> >
> > afaik the external dependency thing in apps.formeego is only a policy
> issue
> > not a technical thing. So not really an issue just something that needs
> to
> > be discussed. Actually what is the proper place to discuss things like
> > apps.formeego policy? As I've understood it the goal now is to unify
> things
> > with it and maemo.org by introducing maemo targets to obs. I'd think
> this
> > list would be it.
>
> AFAIK, the external dependency limitation in Apps ForMeeGo is
> technical.
>

according to Niels (X-Fade) it is policy. see
http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/%23maemo-meeting.2012-04-17.log.html#t2012-04-17T18:28:01

-Timo


>
> For example, I've packaged MatPlotLib (a well know FOSS Python
> library) and it is in a Talk Maemo.org
> (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80353) because it can't be
> published in Nokia Store / Apps ForMeeGo (because it needs external
> dependencies / multiple .debs).
>
> Many other FOSS projects which can be ported to MeeGo Harmattan
> fall in the same limitation. Maemo 4/5 OS has Maemo.org repositories
> with dependencies capabilities.
>
> >> Even a .deb posted in a specific Talk Maemo.org topic should be enough
> >> because it is simple to install.
> >>
> >
> > IMHO not even close enough. We have repositories and build machinery for
> a
> > reason. things like ensuring clean build environment, making sure the
> > needed dependencies are there and so on. Besides most of the deb drops in
> > tmo I have seen do not even include a link to the sources so again no. We
> > should be encouraging people to use the proper channels to distribute
> their
> > stuff (be it the store, apps.formeego or maemo.org repos) not posting
> links
> > to binary deb packages in tmo.
>
> Better : even a Talk Maemo.org topic (or link to other site) with
> links to source-code and .deb's. Ok ? Nobody is lazy here, like
> Inception, overclocking, etc projects.
>

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1197216&postcount=14
In regards to that post, I support all of the measures but we should also offer an option for beta testers of Harmattan apps to get an N950 too.


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On 4/21/12 1:24 PM Roberto Colistete Jr. wrote:

To boost porting & releasing softwares for MeeGo Harmattan : Nokia
Store & Apps ForMeeGo should be only a recommendation as they can't
accept softwares with external dependencies like Maemo.org
repositories.


Even a .deb posted in a specific Talk Maemo.org topic should be enough
because it is simple to install.

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Hi
> If N950's are going as prizes I suspect several old-time developers may be
> tempted back...

quietly raises hand :)

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So...

- How many devices do you need for the competition? Who coordinates?

- How many for the community awards? Who coordinates?

You can assign the devices as you wish and when you wish, but knowing
now how many you need would allow us to organize the other activities
properly.

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