Banned from maemo.org - someone went ape shit nuts?!
Re: Banned from maemo.org - someone went ape shit nuts?!
Re: Banned from maemo.org - someone went ape shit nuts?!
2012-11-12 14:38 UTC
On pon 12 lis 2012 14:58:00 CET, Reggie Suplido <reggie@internettablettalk.com> wrote:
> Stop playing with community man. Here's the proof:
> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7gWTNeCMAAyhVX.png
Another thing about this pathetic incident - I see few other names listed there. While "Letsee" was my account - that I have never concealed in any way, signing posts from there as "/Estel" - there is also aquamarine.
Who is that person and what happened with this account? Was it banned in Reggie's madness too? Have this person tried to contact TMO admins, or just gave up on Maemo, after being treaten like that?
/Estel
> Stop playing with community man. Here's the proof:
> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7gWTNeCMAAyhVX.png
Another thing about this pathetic incident - I see few other names listed there. While "Letsee" was my account - that I have never concealed in any way, signing posts from there as "/Estel" - there is also aquamarine.
Who is that person and what happened with this account? Was it banned in Reggie's madness too? Have this person tried to contact TMO admins, or just gave up on Maemo, after being treaten like that?
/Estel
Re: Banned from maemo.org - someone went ape shit nuts?!
2012-11-12 15:20 UTC
Can we ban Estel from the mailing list too? This has become a waste of my inbox space.
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2012, at 6:38 AM, "twilight312@gmail.com" <twilight312@gmail.com> wrote:
> On pon 12 lis 2012 14:58:00 CET, Reggie Suplido <reggie@internettablettalk.com> wrote:
>
> > Stop playing with community man. Here's the proof:
> > https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7gWTNeCMAAyhVX.png
>
> Another thing about this pathetic incident - I see few other names listed there. While "Letsee" was my account - that I have never concealed in any way, signing posts from there as "/Estel" - there is also aquamarine.
>
> Who is that person and what happened with this account? Was it banned in Reggie's madness too? Have this person tried to contact TMO admins, or just gave up on Maemo, after being treaten like that?
>
> /Estel
>
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2012, at 6:38 AM, "twilight312@gmail.com" <twilight312@gmail.com> wrote:
> On pon 12 lis 2012 14:58:00 CET, Reggie Suplido <reggie@internettablettalk.com> wrote:
>
> > Stop playing with community man. Here's the proof:
> > https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7gWTNeCMAAyhVX.png
>
> Another thing about this pathetic incident - I see few other names listed there. While "Letsee" was my account - that I have never concealed in any way, signing posts from there as "/Estel" - there is also aquamarine.
>
> Who is that person and what happened with this account? Was it banned in Reggie's madness too? Have this person tried to contact TMO admins, or just gave up on Maemo, after being treaten like that?
>
> /Estel
>
Re: Banned from maemo.org - someone went ape shit nuts?!
Ilya Skriblovsky
Hi all,
Just want to add some fresh opinion to this horrible flame. It's "fresh"
because I don't really know the background: I don't know why Estel was
banned and why it is so opposite to the Council.
(Though I'm subscribed to this list, I'm rare reading it further subject
line because starting with Community Awards discussion in June, 95% of
mails here are full of flame and lacking of any constructive).
But this situation seems very ugly to me. Screenshot with blurred IP
addresses is certainly not an evidence at all. If screenshot was with exact
IP match as Mohammad said, then I miss the point for blurring other IPs.
If all blurred IPs are the same and same with Estel's, please publish
original screenshot. If they differ — please remove the ban, admit your
mistake and stop this shame.
(By the way, even if all IPs are the same, it is not 100% evidence of
identity of these accounts since if mentioned Polish network provides
variable IP addresses, it's not a wonder if several IPs will accidentally
match somewhen. Deep login history research is the only way to be 100%
sure.)
Yours,
Mitrandir
2012/11/12 twilight312@gmail.com <twilight312@gmail.com>
> **
>
> On pon 12 lis 2012 14:58:00 CET, Reggie Suplido <
> reggie@internettablettalk.com> wrote:
>
> > Stop playing with community man. Here's the proof:
> > https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7gWTNeCMAAyhVX.png
>
> Another thing about this pathetic incident - I see few other names listed
> there. While "Letsee" was my account - that I have never concealed in any
> way, signing posts from there as "/Estel" - there is also *aquamarine*.
>
> Who is that person and what happened with this account? Was it banned in
> Reggie's madness too? Have this person tried to contact TMO admins, or just
> gave up on Maemo, after being treaten like that?
>
> /Estel
>
>
>
>
Just want to add some fresh opinion to this horrible flame. It's "fresh"
because I don't really know the background: I don't know why Estel was
banned and why it is so opposite to the Council.
(Though I'm subscribed to this list, I'm rare reading it further subject
line because starting with Community Awards discussion in June, 95% of
mails here are full of flame and lacking of any constructive).
But this situation seems very ugly to me. Screenshot with blurred IP
addresses is certainly not an evidence at all. If screenshot was with exact
IP match as Mohammad said, then I miss the point for blurring other IPs.
If all blurred IPs are the same and same with Estel's, please publish
original screenshot. If they differ — please remove the ban, admit your
mistake and stop this shame.
(By the way, even if all IPs are the same, it is not 100% evidence of
identity of these accounts since if mentioned Polish network provides
variable IP addresses, it's not a wonder if several IPs will accidentally
match somewhen. Deep login history research is the only way to be 100%
sure.)
Yours,
Mitrandir
2012/11/12 twilight312@gmail.com <twilight312@gmail.com>
> **
>
> On pon 12 lis 2012 14:58:00 CET, Reggie Suplido <
> reggie@internettablettalk.com> wrote:
>
> > Stop playing with community man. Here's the proof:
> > https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7gWTNeCMAAyhVX.png
>
> Another thing about this pathetic incident - I see few other names listed
> there. While "Letsee" was my account - that I have never concealed in any
> way, signing posts from there as "/Estel" - there is also *aquamarine*.
>
> Who is that person and what happened with this account? Was it banned in
> Reggie's madness too? Have this person tried to contact TMO admins, or just
> gave up on Maemo, after being treaten like that?
>
> /Estel
>
>
>
>
Re: Banned from maemo.org - someone went ape shit nuts?!
Ilya Skriblovsky
And of course saying that "attitude and wording" of email with complaining
to ban can justify this ban in any way — This is certainly immoral and
shows the lack of will to solve the incident. Answer to the facts first and
after cause will be clear, then say all you want about wording.
Presumption of innocence is the holy thing, really.
Yours,
Mitrandir
2012/11/12 Arie Mark <arie@everythingn9.com>
> Can we ban Estel from the mailing list too? This has become a waste of my
> inbox space.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 12, 2012, at 6:38 AM, "twilight312@gmail.com" <
> twilight312@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On pon 12 lis 2012 14:58:00 CET, Reggie Suplido <
> reggie@internettablettalk.com> wrote:
>
> > Stop playing with community man. Here's the proof:
> > https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7gWTNeCMAAyhVX.png
>
> Another thing about this pathetic incident - I see few other names listed
> there. While "Letsee" was my account - that I have never concealed in any
> way, signing posts from there as "/Estel" - there is also *aquamarine*.
>
> Who is that person and what happened with this account? Was it banned in
> Reggie's madness too? Have this person tried to contact TMO admins, or just
> gave up on Maemo, after being treaten like that?
>
> /Estel
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> maemo-community mailing list
> maemo-community@maemo.org
> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
>
>
>
>
to ban can justify this ban in any way — This is certainly immoral and
shows the lack of will to solve the incident. Answer to the facts first and
after cause will be clear, then say all you want about wording.
Presumption of innocence is the holy thing, really.
Yours,
Mitrandir
2012/11/12 Arie Mark <arie@everythingn9.com>
> Can we ban Estel from the mailing list too? This has become a waste of my
> inbox space.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 12, 2012, at 6:38 AM, "twilight312@gmail.com" <
> twilight312@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On pon 12 lis 2012 14:58:00 CET, Reggie Suplido <
> reggie@internettablettalk.com> wrote:
>
> > Stop playing with community man. Here's the proof:
> > https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7gWTNeCMAAyhVX.png
>
> Another thing about this pathetic incident - I see few other names listed
> there. While "Letsee" was my account - that I have never concealed in any
> way, signing posts from there as "/Estel" - there is also *aquamarine*.
>
> Who is that person and what happened with this account? Was it banned in
> Reggie's madness too? Have this person tried to contact TMO admins, or just
> gave up on Maemo, after being treaten like that?
>
> /Estel
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> maemo-community mailing list
> maemo-community@maemo.org
> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
>
>
>
>
Re: Banned from maemo.org - someone went ape shit nuts?!
2012-11-12 15:39 UTC
On Mon, 2012-11-12 at 19:27 +0400, Ilya Skriblovsky wrote:
> And of course saying that "attitude and wording" of email with
> complaining to ban can justify this ban in any way — This is certainly
> immoral and shows the lack of will to solve the incident.
Thanks for a fresh opinion, but I have become unwilling as it's simply
enough at some point.
Lots of previous talk, simply check the mailing list archives.
andre
--
Andre Klapper | Bugmaster
http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/
> And of course saying that "attitude and wording" of email with
> complaining to ban can justify this ban in any way — This is certainly
> immoral and shows the lack of will to solve the incident.
Thanks for a fresh opinion, but I have become unwilling as it's simply
enough at some point.
Lots of previous talk, simply check the mailing list archives.
andre
--
Andre Klapper | Bugmaster
http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/
Re: Banned from maemo.org - someone went ape shit nuts?!
2012-11-12 16:01 UTC
While you are right about that IP not for certainty belongs to the same
router (btw its called dynamic IP), it could hold as evidence anyway.
1 it is very - very - unlikely that the IP would be dynamically assigned to
another router, which would then connect to Maemo.
2 despite ISPs being assigned dynamically, very likely the same router
would keep the IP, even for years
3 might not even be dynamic, X can sign up (pay) to be guaranteed a static
IP (this would actually just be a reserved, dynamic IP)
It is sad to read this trolling, inconstructive, critisism of working
council, Estel, is your goal to dismentle the community? Even a previous
'enemy' of mine (no worries Arie, no worries, you had some valid critism)
is going against you Estel. I think you, even off council, would help and
get more benefits, from assisting in the hard times confronting the
community et al.
/Niel
On Monday, November 12, 2012, Ilya Skriblovsky wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Just want to add some fresh opinion to this horrible flame. It's "fresh"
> because I don't really know the background: I don't know why Estel was
> banned and why it is so opposite to the Council.
> (Though I'm subscribed to this list, I'm rare reading it further subject
> line because starting with Community Awards discussion in June, 95% of
> mails here are full of flame and lacking of any constructive).
>
> But this situation seems very ugly to me. Screenshot with blurred IP
> addresses is certainly not an evidence at all. If screenshot was with exact
> IP match as Mohammad said, then I miss the point for blurring other IPs.
> If all blurred IPs are the same and same with Estel's, please publish
> original screenshot. If they differ — please remove the ban, admit your
> mistake and stop this shame.
>
> (By the way, even if all IPs are the same, it is not 100% evidence of
> identity of these accounts since if mentioned Polish network provides
> variable IP addresses, it's not a wonder if several IPs will accidentally
> match somewhen. Deep login history research is the only way to be 100%
> sure.)
>
> Yours,
> Mitrandir
>
>
> 2012/11/12 twilight312@gmail.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> 'twilight312@gmail.com');> <twilight312@gmail.com <javascript:_e({},
> 'cvml', 'twilight312@gmail.com');>>
>
>> **
>>
>> On pon 12 lis 2012 14:58:00 CET, Reggie Suplido <
>> reggie@internettablettalk.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
>> 'reggie@internettablettalk.com');>> wrote:
>>
>> > Stop playing with community man. Here's the proof:
>> > https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7gWTNeCMAAyhVX.png
>>
>> Another thing about this pathetic incident - I see few other names listed
>> there. While "Letsee" was my account - that I have never concealed in any
>> way, signing posts from there as "/Estel" - there is also *aquamarine*.
>>
>> Who is that person and what happened with this account? Was it banned in
>> Reggie's madness too? Have this person tried to contact TMO admins, or just
>> gave up on Maemo, after being treaten like that?
>>
>> /Estel
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> maemo-community mailing list
>> maemo-community@maemo.org <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
>> 'maemo-community@maemo.org');>
>> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
>>
>>
>
router (btw its called dynamic IP), it could hold as evidence anyway.
1 it is very - very - unlikely that the IP would be dynamically assigned to
another router, which would then connect to Maemo.
2 despite ISPs being assigned dynamically, very likely the same router
would keep the IP, even for years
3 might not even be dynamic, X can sign up (pay) to be guaranteed a static
IP (this would actually just be a reserved, dynamic IP)
It is sad to read this trolling, inconstructive, critisism of working
council, Estel, is your goal to dismentle the community? Even a previous
'enemy' of mine (no worries Arie, no worries, you had some valid critism)
is going against you Estel. I think you, even off council, would help and
get more benefits, from assisting in the hard times confronting the
community et al.
/Niel
On Monday, November 12, 2012, Ilya Skriblovsky wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Just want to add some fresh opinion to this horrible flame. It's "fresh"
> because I don't really know the background: I don't know why Estel was
> banned and why it is so opposite to the Council.
> (Though I'm subscribed to this list, I'm rare reading it further subject
> line because starting with Community Awards discussion in June, 95% of
> mails here are full of flame and lacking of any constructive).
>
> But this situation seems very ugly to me. Screenshot with blurred IP
> addresses is certainly not an evidence at all. If screenshot was with exact
> IP match as Mohammad said, then I miss the point for blurring other IPs.
> If all blurred IPs are the same and same with Estel's, please publish
> original screenshot. If they differ — please remove the ban, admit your
> mistake and stop this shame.
>
> (By the way, even if all IPs are the same, it is not 100% evidence of
> identity of these accounts since if mentioned Polish network provides
> variable IP addresses, it's not a wonder if several IPs will accidentally
> match somewhen. Deep login history research is the only way to be 100%
> sure.)
>
> Yours,
> Mitrandir
>
>
> 2012/11/12 twilight312@gmail.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> 'twilight312@gmail.com');> <twilight312@gmail.com <javascript:_e({},
> 'cvml', 'twilight312@gmail.com');>>
>
>> **
>>
>> On pon 12 lis 2012 14:58:00 CET, Reggie Suplido <
>> reggie@internettablettalk.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
>> 'reggie@internettablettalk.com');>> wrote:
>>
>> > Stop playing with community man. Here's the proof:
>> > https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7gWTNeCMAAyhVX.png
>>
>> Another thing about this pathetic incident - I see few other names listed
>> there. While "Letsee" was my account - that I have never concealed in any
>> way, signing posts from there as "/Estel" - there is also *aquamarine*.
>>
>> Who is that person and what happened with this account? Was it banned in
>> Reggie's madness too? Have this person tried to contact TMO admins, or just
>> gave up on Maemo, after being treaten like that?
>>
>> /Estel
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> maemo-community mailing list
>> maemo-community@maemo.org <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
>> 'maemo-community@maemo.org');>
>> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
>>
>>
>
Re: Banned from maemo.org - someone went ape shit nuts?!
2012-11-12 16:08 UTC
Its really bad that we started banning members
Missing you brother estel, can't we sort out our problems and start
focusing on future of maemo. First we all(I hope) should know what
estel wants
then what we want from him, blaming others or banning isn't a
permanent solution. I am very thankful to estel for his contribution.
And I hope some wise man should come up and sort out this situation
again don't ban anyone, we all have the right to speak (not abusing)
estal please stop it and comment what you wants or thinks
that........is going against you
Missing you brother estel, can't we sort out our problems and start
focusing on future of maemo. First we all(I hope) should know what
estel wants
then what we want from him, blaming others or banning isn't a
permanent solution. I am very thankful to estel for his contribution.
And I hope some wise man should come up and sort out this situation
again don't ban anyone, we all have the right to speak (not abusing)
estal please stop it and comment what you wants or thinks
that........is going against you
Re: Banned from maemo.org - someone went ape shit nuts?!
2012-11-12 16:16 UTC
Hi,
Just wondering, as I couldn't be up to date lately: why has been Estel
banned? (a link or so is enough)
--
Marcin
2012/11/12 sonv dubey <sonv2012@gmail.com>
> Its really bad that we started banning members
> Missing you brother estel, can't we sort out our problems and start
> focusing on future of maemo. First we all(I hope) should know what
> estel wants
> then what we want from him, blaming others or banning isn't a
> permanent solution. I am very thankful to estel for his contribution.
> And I hope some wise man should come up and sort out this situation
>
> again don't ban anyone, we all have the right to speak (not abusing)
> estal please stop it and comment what you wants or thinks
> that........is going against you
>
Just wondering, as I couldn't be up to date lately: why has been Estel
banned? (a link or so is enough)
--
Marcin
2012/11/12 sonv dubey <sonv2012@gmail.com>
> Its really bad that we started banning members
> Missing you brother estel, can't we sort out our problems and start
> focusing on future of maemo. First we all(I hope) should know what
> estel wants
> then what we want from him, blaming others or banning isn't a
> permanent solution. I am very thankful to estel for his contribution.
> And I hope some wise man should come up and sort out this situation
>
> again don't ban anyone, we all have the right to speak (not abusing)
> estal please stop it and comment what you wants or thinks
> that........is going against you
>
Fvghgtfrde Fdesfggtfrdefgtfrde
--- On Mon, 11/12/12, Mohammad Abu-Garbeyyeh <mohammad7410@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Mohammad Abu-Garbeyyeh <mohammad7410@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Banned from maemo.org - someone went ape shit nuts?!
To: "maemo-community ML" <maemo-community@maemo.org>, "twilight312@gmail.com" <twilight312@gmail.com>
Date: Monday, November 12, 2012, 6:12 AM
On Nov 12, 2012 4:09 PM, "twilight312@gmail.com" <twilight312@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On pon 12 lis 2012 14:58:00 CET, Reggie Suplido <reggie@internettablettalk.com> wrote:
>
> > Stop playing with community man. Here's the proof:
> > https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7gWTNeCMAAyhVX.png
>
> Laughable. Why you have masked rest of IP? Show it.
>
> Those two first numbers are IP range of (one of) largest polish network providers. Actually, why not - ban the whole, when you've started to break rules of your own board, banning 3/4 of some insignificant country is nothing special.
>
> I'm pretty sure, that you know it already - this is basic knowledge about IP ranges for any serious admin. If you not, you shouldn't touch managing any Board, by a long stick.
>
> /Estel
>
>
Look at the title at the top of the table. It's clear those are the results of an exact IP search.
> _______________________________________________
> maemo-community mailing list
> maemo-community@maemo.org
> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
>
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Regards,
Mohammad Abu-Garbeyyeh
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