Submenues in Fremantle

Till,

Have you tried to create new Sub Views for each of the submenu items?

http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Proof-read_Human_Interface_Guidelines/View_Menu

Tim


maemo-developers-request@maemo.org wrote:
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> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 20:58:14 +0200
> From: "Till Harbaum / Lists"<lists@harbaum.org>
> Subject: Submenues in Fremantle
> To:maemo-developers@maemo.org
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>
> Hi,
>
> i am just changing my apps to use the HildonAppMenu under
> Fremantle. These apps (gpxview and osm2go) use submenus,
> so i either reduce the number of menues entries or find a replacement
> for submenues.
>
> While i was pretty successful doing the first i still need a submenu
> here and there. I found this example:
> http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/tutorial/html/ch10.html
> using seperate windows for this.
>
> I have two problems with this (the current version of gpxview in
> extras-devel is doing it this way):
>
> 1) Consistency: Why is nokia telling us that clicking outside a dialog
> is a natural way of closing it if at the same time they introduce an
> explicit close button for submenues this way (you need to click
> the back arrow in the upper right corner to close such a "submenu")?
>
> 2) They look ugly
>
> I tried to use a seperate hildonappmenu via hildon_app_menu_popup,
> but wasn't successful (just nothing pops up).
>
> So my question: Is there a nice and consistent solution for submenues
> in fremantle?
>
> Till
>
>
> ------------------------------
>

--
http://tim.samoff.com

Hi,

i already tried this and it looks much better than the extra windows.
Why are there different tutorials/style guides for this?

There are just one or two things i'd like:

- Is there are trick to add seperators or the like to a HildonAppMenu?
- Can i add a title? I'd like if the submenues are somehow titled like
the main menu entries they were reached from.

Till

Am Sonntag 05 Juli 2009 schrieb Tim:
> Till,
>
> Have you tried to create new Sub Views for each of the submenu items?
>
> http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Proof-read_Human_Interface_Guidelines/View_Menu
>
> Tim
>
>
> maemo-developers-request@maemo.org wrote:
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 20:58:14 +0200
> > From: "Till Harbaum / Lists"<lists@harbaum.org>
> > Subject: Submenues in Fremantle
> > To:maemo-developers@maemo.org
> > Message-ID:<200907042058.14691.lists@harbaum.org>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > i am just changing my apps to use the HildonAppMenu under
> > Fremantle. These apps (gpxview and osm2go) use submenus,
> > so i either reduce the number of menues entries or find a replacement
> > for submenues.
> >
> > While i was pretty successful doing the first i still need a submenu
> > here and there. I found this example:
> > http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/tutorial/html/ch10.html
> > using seperate windows for this.
> >
> > I have two problems with this (the current version of gpxview in
> > extras-devel is doing it this way):
> >
> > 1) Consistency: Why is nokia telling us that clicking outside a dialog
> > is a natural way of closing it if at the same time they introduce an
> > explicit close button for submenues this way (you need to click
> > the back arrow in the upper right corner to close such a "submenu")?
> >
> > 2) They look ugly
> >
> > I tried to use a seperate hildonappmenu via hildon_app_menu_popup,
> > but wasn't successful (just nothing pops up).
> >
> > So my question: Is there a nice and consistent solution for submenues
> > in fremantle?
> >
> > Till
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
>

Hi Till,

There aren't separate tutorials/guides really. There are some specific
tutorials and the Hildon Human Interface Guide
(http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/hig/html/). I linked you to a wiki
page where we're attempting to proofread/rewrite the HIG so that it's
easier to read and follow.

> - Is there are trick to add seperators or the like to a HildonAppMenu?

I'm not sure if there's a code-based way to add a "horizontal rule"
(someone here should know), but it shouldn't be too difficult to add a
graphical element (e.g., a one-pixel line) as a separator.

Anyway, hopefully someone will answer that question for you.

> - Can i add a title? I'd like if the submenues are somehow titled like
> the main menu entries they were reached from.

Again, I can't tell you how to add title, but I can tell you how they
should act and what they should look like:

http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Proof-read_Human_Interface_Guidelines/Windows/Properties_of_Windows

Tim


Till Harbaum / Lists wrote:
> Hi,
>
> i already tried this and it looks much better than the extra windows.
> Why are there different tutorials/style guides for this?
>
> There are just one or two things i'd like:
>
> - Is there are trick to add seperators or the like to a HildonAppMenu?
> - Can i add a title? I'd like if the submenues are somehow titled like
> the main menu entries they were reached from.
>
> Till
>
> Am Sonntag 05 Juli 2009 schrieb Tim:
>> Till,
>>
>> Have you tried to create new Sub Views for each of the submenu items?
>>
>> http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Proof-read_Human_Interface_Guidelines/View_Menu
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> maemo-developers-request@maemo.org wrote:
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 20:58:14 +0200
>>> From: "Till Harbaum / Lists"<lists@harbaum.org>
>>> Subject: Submenues in Fremantle
>>> To:maemo-developers@maemo.org
>>> Message-ID:<200907042058.14691.lists@harbaum.org>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> i am just changing my apps to use the HildonAppMenu under
>>> Fremantle. These apps (gpxview and osm2go) use submenus,
>>> so i either reduce the number of menues entries or find a replacement
>>> for submenues.
>>>
>>> While i was pretty successful doing the first i still need a submenu
>>> here and there. I found this example:
>>> http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/tutorial/html/ch10.html
>>> using seperate windows for this.
>>>
>>> I have two problems with this (the current version of gpxview in
>>> extras-devel is doing it this way):
>>>
>>> 1) Consistency: Why is nokia telling us that clicking outside a dialog
>>> is a natural way of closing it if at the same time they introduce an
>>> explicit close button for submenues this way (you need to click
>>> the back arrow in the upper right corner to close such a "submenu")?
>>>
>>> 2) They look ugly
>>>
>>> I tried to use a seperate hildonappmenu via hildon_app_menu_popup,
>>> but wasn't successful (just nothing pops up).
>>>
>>> So my question: Is there a nice and consistent solution for submenues
>>> in fremantle?
>>>
>>> Till
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>
>
>

--
http://tim.samoff.com

Hi,

thanks for your replies.

Am Sonntag 05 Juli 2009 schrieb Tim:
> http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Proof-read_Human_Interface_Guidelines/Windows/Properties_of_Windows
Setting a window title doesn't have a visible effect on these menues, although they are inherited from gtkwindow.

Till

Till Harbaum / Lists wrote 05.07.2009 18:44:

> i already tried this and it looks much better than the extra windows.
> Why are there different tutorials/style guides for this?
...
> - Can i add a title? I'd like if the submenues are somehow titled like
> the main menu entries they were reached from.

Could you explain what have you tried? As far as I understand there
are no such things as submenus. There is only AppMenu and of course "Sub
Views" (of which Tim speaks) that are actually stacked windows (which I
would understand as "extra windows").

> Am Sonntag 05 Juli 2009 schrieb Tim:
>> Till,
>>
>> Have you tried to create new Sub Views for each of the submenu items?

BR,

Henrik

--
Henrik Hedberg - http://www.henrikhedberg.net/

Hi,

sure, there are no real submenues, but you can easily popup
a different HildonAppMenu on selecting an entry in the
main menu. That's imho nicer than those stacked windows
containing nothing but a vbox full of buttons.

I am just uploading gpxview-0.7.2. Have a look at it if you wnt
to see what i mean.

Till

Am Montag 06 Juli 2009 schrieb Henrik Hedberg:
> Till Harbaum / Lists wrote 05.07.2009 18:44:
>
> > i already tried this and it looks much better than the extra windows.
> > Why are there different tutorials/style guides for this?
> ...
> > - Can i add a title? I'd like if the submenues are somehow titled like
> > the main menu entries they were reached from.
>
> Could you explain what have you tried? As far as I understand there
> are no such things as submenus. There is only AppMenu and of course "Sub
> Views" (of which Tim speaks) that are actually stacked windows (which I
> would understand as "extra windows").
>
> > Am Sonntag 05 Juli 2009 schrieb Tim:
> >> Till,
> >>
> >> Have you tried to create new Sub Views for each of the submenu items?
>
> BR,
>
> Henrik
>