Harmattan & Maemo Community

Situation check:

So, what's the role of maemo community communication channels (these
mailing lists, talk.maemo.org) and Harmattan? Will maemo community
embrace Harmattan as "natural continuation" after maemo5? Or should
these channels be relegated to maemo5 and older alone, moving
Harmattan discussion elsewhere?

Harmattan is (as far as I know) maemo with MeeGo APIs.
I see no problem in using the existing maemo community communication
channels.

For MeeGo proper we should use the MeeGo communication channels.

But before deciding on that, we should wait for Nokias MeeGo/Harmattan
devices, which will be announced soon.

Best regards,
Cosimo

2011/5/6 Ville M. Vainio <vivainio@gmail.com>

> Situation check:
>
> So, what's the role of maemo community communication channels (these
> mailing lists, talk.maemo.org) and Harmattan? Will maemo community
> embrace Harmattan as "natural continuation" after maemo5? Or should
> these channels be relegated to maemo5 and older alone, moving
> Harmattan discussion elsewhere?
>

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Cosimo Kroll <zehjotkah@googlemail.com> wrote:

> But before deciding on that, we should wait for Nokias MeeGo/Harmattan
> devices, which will be announced soon.

Is there something in particular that needs to be known about the
platform that would influence the decision?

Sorry, I can't comment on that.

2011/5/6 Ville M. Vainio <vivainio@gmail.com>

> On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Cosimo Kroll <zehjotkah@googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > But before deciding on that, we should wait for Nokias MeeGo/Harmattan
> > devices, which will be announced soon.
>
> Is there something in particular that needs to be known about the
> platform that would influence the decision?
>

Hi,

Cosimo Kroll wrote:
> Harmattan is (as far as I know) maemo with MeeGo APIs.

It's the other way around, I believe. Harmattan is MeeGo, with some
legacy Maemo APIs.

All the Nokia people will be using the MeeGo lists.

Of course, everyone is free to post messages anywhere they want, I just
don't expect much useful discussion on Maemo lists of Harmattan devices.

Cheers,
Dave.

--
Email: dneary@maemo.org
Jabber: bolsh@jabber.org

I agree with Dave's opinion.

-Sivan

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Dave Neary <dneary@maemo.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Cosimo Kroll wrote:
>> Harmattan is (as far as I know) maemo with MeeGo APIs.
>
> It's the other way around, I believe. Harmattan is MeeGo, with some
> legacy Maemo APIs.
>
> All the Nokia people will be using the MeeGo lists.
>
> Of course, everyone is free to post messages anywhere they want, I just
> don't expect much useful discussion on Maemo lists of Harmattan devices.
>
> Cheers,
> Dave.
>
> --
> Email: dneary@maemo.org
> Jabber: bolsh@jabber.org
>
>

Hi,

On 6 May 2011 09:01, Cosimo Kroll <zehjotkah@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Sorry, I can't comment on that.

I've a couple of questions....

Since it's pretty clear that (ok, you can also try to adfirm the
contrary, but nobody will belive it now) Maemo/MeeGo/Harmattan is not
anymore part of the Nokia business, what is the reason to keep all of
this a secret???
I could understand if all of this was the main Nokia business because
you don't want other companies to copy your ideas and bla bla bla....
but what's the reason now?

Do you want my hopinion/speculation? Well... I really think that
Meego/Harmattan is, at the moment, better and better than WP7 and
Microsoft really don't like this.

Please, if Nokia doesn't want to invest anymore in this project, give
it to the community!

Regards.

--
Andrea Grandi - Nokia Qt Ambassador
website: http://www.andreagrandi.it

Just wait a little bit... ;)

2011/5/6 a.grandi@gmail.com <a.grandi@gmail.com>

> Hi,
>
> On 6 May 2011 09:01, Cosimo Kroll <zehjotkah@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > Sorry, I can't comment on that.
>
> I've a couple of questions....
>
> Since it's pretty clear that (ok, you can also try to adfirm the
> contrary, but nobody will belive it now) Maemo/MeeGo/Harmattan is not
> anymore part of the Nokia business, what is the reason to keep all of
> this a secret???
> I could understand if all of this was the main Nokia business because
> you don't want other companies to copy your ideas and bla bla bla....
> but what's the reason now?
>
> Do you want my hopinion/speculation? Well... I really think that
> Meego/Harmattan is, at the moment, better and better than WP7 and
> Microsoft really don't like this.
>
> Please, if Nokia doesn't want to invest anymore in this project, give
> it to the community!
>
> Regards.
>
> --
> Andrea Grandi - Nokia Qt Ambassador
> website: http://www.andreagrandi.it
>

We have been hung up waiting for the last 5 years.... :-(

-Sivan

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Cosimo Kroll <zehjotkah@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Just wait a little bit... ;)
>
> 2011/5/6 a.grandi@gmail.com <a.grandi@gmail.com>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 6 May 2011 09:01, Cosimo Kroll <zehjotkah@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> > Sorry, I can't comment on that.
>>
>> I've a couple of questions....
>>
>> Since it's pretty clear that (ok, you can also try to adfirm the
>> contrary, but nobody will belive it now) Maemo/MeeGo/Harmattan is not
>> anymore part of the Nokia business, what is the reason to keep all of
>> this a secret???
>> I could understand if all of this was the main Nokia business because
>> you don't want other companies to copy your ideas and bla bla bla....
>> but what's the reason now?
>>
>> Do you want my hopinion/speculation? Well... I really think that
>> Meego/Harmattan is, at the moment, better and better than WP7 and
>> Microsoft really don't like this.
>>
>> Please, if Nokia doesn't want to invest anymore in this project, give
>> it to the community!
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> --
>> Andrea Grandi - Nokia Qt Ambassador
>> website: http://www.andreagrandi.it
>
>
>
>

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 07:22, Ville M. Vainio <vivainio@gmail.com> wrote:
> Situation check:
>
> So, what's the role of maemo community communication channels (these
> mailing lists, talk.maemo.org) and Harmattan? Will maemo community
> embrace Harmattan as "natural continuation" after maemo5? Or should
> these channels be relegated to maemo5 and older alone, moving
> Harmattan discussion elsewhere?

Facts:

* Harmattan will be using deb packaging, rather than RPM (AFAWK)
* meego.com has explicitly ruled out being the place for
manufacturer-specific end-/power-user discussion.

Unknowns:

* Will Nokia be able to market the device as "MeeGo", as the
compliance exemption has yet to be granted.

Questions:

* Where will people be getting their software? Will COBS be
producing Harmattan debs and, if so, make them available
through the meego.com equivalent of maemo.org/downloads?

In my opinion, the whole thing's a mess. Developers asking questions
about Qt will be answered on meego-*; but asking about Qt Quick
Components might be rejected as it's "not part of MeeGo" (with MeeGo
UX Components being preferred); developers probably won't be welcome
to discuss the intricacies of deb packaging for Harmattan, but will be
uploading source tarballs for Debian packaging to COBS?

Cheers,

Andrew

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