Coding competition 2011 - mass emailing
Re: Coding competition 2011 - mass emailing
Re: Coding competition 2011 - mass emailing
2011-11-09 21:41 UTC
It's not hostility, I thought we were having a forthright discussion amongst friends.
Although looking at some of the messages outside of this thread, there seemed to be a them/us separation; aiming ire at Ferenc for pointing out that sending 57,000 emails was a fairly Bad Idea (whether for server load, netiquette or plain common sense). Not his fault no-one thought about it before, is it?
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Andrew Flegg | mailto:andrew@bleb.org -- http://www.bleb.org/On 09/11/2011 21:22 Michael Cronenworth wrote:
andrew@bleb.org wrote:
> Is there an easy way to delete the account? I don't think so. Some of these accounts are over 6 years old, and the user may have got rid of their 770 in the meantime.
>
> There has*never* been an unfiltered email sent out, and to do so now would not be because it's the right thing to do, but because if a lack of foresight and planning of the votinng process.
>
> That's why having a filter is sensible. If my "karma decays" idea had been implemented, a threshold would tell you not only that someone had been active but whether it had been recently.
Where's all this hostility coming from? Read all of my messages.
You've just pissed me off for today, thanks. I'm done with this thread.
Although looking at some of the messages outside of this thread, there seemed to be a them/us separation; aiming ire at Ferenc for pointing out that sending 57,000 emails was a fairly Bad Idea (whether for server load, netiquette or plain common sense). Not his fault no-one thought about it before, is it?
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Andrew Flegg | mailto:andrew@bleb.org -- http://www.bleb.org/On 09/11/2011 21:22 Michael Cronenworth wrote:
andrew@bleb.org wrote:
> Is there an easy way to delete the account? I don't think so. Some of these accounts are over 6 years old, and the user may have got rid of their 770 in the meantime.
>
> There has*never* been an unfiltered email sent out, and to do so now would not be because it's the right thing to do, but because if a lack of foresight and planning of the votinng process.
>
> That's why having a filter is sensible. If my "karma decays" idea had been implemented, a threshold would tell you not only that someone had been active but whether it had been recently.
Where's all this hostility coming from? Read all of my messages.
You've just pissed me off for today, thanks. I'm done with this thread.
Re: Coding competition 2011 - mass emailing
2011-11-10 05:49 UTC
people who don't use tmo that much (like me) might be interested in voting too..
-timo
Cosimo Kroll kirjoitti 9.11.2011 22:43:
I've asked about karma =10 or higher (instead of 100) and maemo.org activity within the last six months, because the userbase with karma above 100 is in great part not active on tmo anymore or not interested in the coding competition. the userbase which was active in the last six months on the other hand is mostly interested in apps, which the coding competition is about.
Best regards,
Cosimo
2011/11/9 Michael Cronenworth <mike@cchtml.com>
andrew@bleb.org wrote:
50,000 people do not want to get the email, and you'll only piss them off, alienate them and generate bad press and accusations of spamming if they do.
I don't get what the big deal is since Maemo.org has sent about 1 e-mail out a year. It's for a legitimate reason for a Maemo.org event. If a user doesn't want an e-mail about Maemo, why did they create a Maemo account?
-timo
Cosimo Kroll kirjoitti 9.11.2011 22:43:
I've asked about karma =10 or higher (instead of 100) and maemo.org activity within the last six months, because the userbase with karma above 100 is in great part not active on tmo anymore or not interested in the coding competition. the userbase which was active in the last six months on the other hand is mostly interested in apps, which the coding competition is about.
Best regards,
Cosimo
2011/11/9 Michael Cronenworth <mike@cchtml.com>
andrew@bleb.org wrote:
50,000 people do not want to get the email, and you'll only piss them off, alienate them and generate bad press and accusations of spamming if they do.
I don't get what the big deal is since Maemo.org has sent about 1 e-mail out a year. It's for a legitimate reason for a Maemo.org event. If a user doesn't want an e-mail about Maemo, why did they create a Maemo account?
Re: Coding competition 2011 - mass emailing
2011-11-10 06:06 UTC
So what's wrong with a simple forum poll? Sure some people will have more than one account, etc but that wouldn't change the results that much. I'd guess someone can set the poll so that only accounts created before the competition ended can vote?
This way you only need to create the poll and send mail to the mailing lists. Simple and works.
-timo
andrew@bleb.org kirjoitti 9.11.2011 23:41:
It's not hostility, I thought we were having a forthright discussion amongst friends.
Although looking at some of the messages outside of this thread, there seemed to be a them/us separation; aiming ire at Ferenc for pointing out that sending 57,000 emails was a fairly Bad Idea (whether for server load, netiquette or plain common sense). Not his fault no-one thought about it before, is it?
--
Andrew Flegg | mailto:andrew@bleb.org -- http://www.bleb.org/On 09/11/2011 21:22 Michael Cronenworth wrote:
andrew@bleb.org wrote:
> Is there an easy way to delete the account? I don't think so. Some of these accounts are over 6 years old, and the user may have got rid of their 770 in the meantime.
>
> There has*never* been an unfiltered email sent out, and to do so now would not be because it's the right thing to do, but because if a lack of foresight and planning of the votinng process.
>
> That's why having a filter is sensible. If my "karma decays" idea had been implemented, a threshold would tell you not only that someone had been active but whether it had been recently.
Where's all this hostility coming from? Read all of my messages.
You've just pissed me off for today, thanks. I'm done with this thread.
This way you only need to create the poll and send mail to the mailing lists. Simple and works.
-timo
andrew@bleb.org kirjoitti 9.11.2011 23:41:
It's not hostility, I thought we were having a forthright discussion amongst friends.
Although looking at some of the messages outside of this thread, there seemed to be a them/us separation; aiming ire at Ferenc for pointing out that sending 57,000 emails was a fairly Bad Idea (whether for server load, netiquette or plain common sense). Not his fault no-one thought about it before, is it?
--
Andrew Flegg | mailto:andrew@bleb.org -- http://www.bleb.org/On 09/11/2011 21:22 Michael Cronenworth wrote:
andrew@bleb.org wrote:
> Is there an easy way to delete the account? I don't think so. Some of these accounts are over 6 years old, and the user may have got rid of their 770 in the meantime.
>
> There has*never* been an unfiltered email sent out, and to do so now would not be because it's the right thing to do, but because if a lack of foresight and planning of the votinng process.
>
> That's why having a filter is sensible. If my "karma decays" idea had been implemented, a threshold would tell you not only that someone had been active but whether it had been recently.
Where's all this hostility coming from? Read all of my messages.
You've just pissed me off for today, thanks. I'm done with this thread.
Re: Coding competition 2011 - mass emailing
2011-11-10 06:08 UTC
What solution would you propose?
Nemein is unwilling to send emails to every maemo.org member...
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Von meinem Nokia N950 gesendet
timop.harkonen@gmail.com schrieb am 10.11.11 06:50:
people who don't use tmo that much (like me) might be interested in voting
too..
-timo
Cosimo Kroll kirjoitti 9.11.2011 22:43:
I've asked about karma =10 or higher (instead of 100) and
maemo.orgactivity within the last six months, because the userbase
with karma above
100 is in great part not active on tmo anymore or not interested in the
coding competition. the userbase which was active in the last six months on
the other hand is mostly interested in apps, which the coding competition
is about.
Best regards,
Cosimo
2011/11/9 Michael Cronenworth <mike@cchtml.com>
> andrew@bleb.org wrote:
>
>> 50,000 people do not want to get the email, and you'll only piss them
>> off, alienate them and generate bad press and accusations of spamming if
>> they do.
>>
>
> I don't get what the big deal is since Maemo.org has sent about 1 e-mail
> out a year. It's for a legitimate reason for a Maemo.org event. If a user
> doesn't want an e-mail about Maemo, why did they create a Maemo account?
>
>
> ______________________________**_________________
> maemo-community mailing list
> maemo-community@maemo.org
> https://lists.maemo.org/**mailman/listinfo/maemo-**community<https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community>
>
Nemein is unwilling to send emails to every maemo.org member...
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Von meinem Nokia N950 gesendet
timop.harkonen@gmail.com schrieb am 10.11.11 06:50:
people who don't use tmo that much (like me) might be interested in voting
too..
-timo
Cosimo Kroll kirjoitti 9.11.2011 22:43:
I've asked about karma =10 or higher (instead of 100) and
maemo.orgactivity within the last six months, because the userbase
with karma above
100 is in great part not active on tmo anymore or not interested in the
coding competition. the userbase which was active in the last six months on
the other hand is mostly interested in apps, which the coding competition
is about.
Best regards,
Cosimo
2011/11/9 Michael Cronenworth <mike@cchtml.com>
> andrew@bleb.org wrote:
>
>> 50,000 people do not want to get the email, and you'll only piss them
>> off, alienate them and generate bad press and accusations of spamming if
>> they do.
>>
>
> I don't get what the big deal is since Maemo.org has sent about 1 e-mail
> out a year. It's for a legitimate reason for a Maemo.org event. If a user
> doesn't want an e-mail about Maemo, why did they create a Maemo account?
>
>
> ______________________________**_________________
> maemo-community mailing list
> maemo-community@maemo.org
> https://lists.maemo.org/**mailman/listinfo/maemo-**community<https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community>
>
Re: Coding competition 2011 - mass emailing
2011-11-10 06:10 UTC
The awareness. Who is reading the mailing lists in these days? Only small
part of the new members who are interested in the Nokia N9.
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Von meinem Nokia N950 gesendet
timop.harkonen@gmail.com schrieb am 10.11.11 07:07:
So what's wrong with a simple forum poll? Sure some people will have more
than one account, etc but that wouldn't change the results that much. I'd
guess someone can set the poll so that only accounts created before the
competition ended can vote?
This way you only need to create the poll and send mail to the mailing
lists. Simple and works.
-timo
andrew@bleb.org kirjoitti 9.11.2011 23:41:
It's not hostility, I thought we were having a forthright discussion
amongst friends.
Although looking at some of the messages outside of this thread, there
seemed to be a them/us separation; aiming ire at Ferenc for pointing out
that sending 57,000 emails was a fairly Bad Idea (whether for server load,
netiquette or plain common sense). Not his fault no-one thought about it
before, is it?
--
Andrew Flegg | mailto:andrew@bleb.org -- http://www.bleb.org/On 09/11/2011
21:22 Michael Cronenworth wrote:
andrew@bleb.org wrote:
> Is there an easy way to delete the account? I don't think so. Some of
these accounts are over 6 years old, and the user may have got rid of their
770 in the meantime.
>
> There has*never* been an unfiltered email sent out, and to do so now
would not be because it's the right thing to do, but because if a lack of
foresight and planning of the votinng process.
>
> That's why having a filter is sensible. If my "karma decays" idea had
been implemented, a threshold would tell you not only that someone had been
active but whether it had been recently.
Where's all this hostility coming from? Read all of my messages.
You've just pissed me off for today, thanks. I'm done with this thread.
part of the new members who are interested in the Nokia N9.
--
Von meinem Nokia N950 gesendet
timop.harkonen@gmail.com schrieb am 10.11.11 07:07:
So what's wrong with a simple forum poll? Sure some people will have more
than one account, etc but that wouldn't change the results that much. I'd
guess someone can set the poll so that only accounts created before the
competition ended can vote?
This way you only need to create the poll and send mail to the mailing
lists. Simple and works.
-timo
andrew@bleb.org kirjoitti 9.11.2011 23:41:
It's not hostility, I thought we were having a forthright discussion
amongst friends.
Although looking at some of the messages outside of this thread, there
seemed to be a them/us separation; aiming ire at Ferenc for pointing out
that sending 57,000 emails was a fairly Bad Idea (whether for server load,
netiquette or plain common sense). Not his fault no-one thought about it
before, is it?
--
Andrew Flegg | mailto:andrew@bleb.org -- http://www.bleb.org/On 09/11/2011
21:22 Michael Cronenworth wrote:
andrew@bleb.org wrote:
> Is there an easy way to delete the account? I don't think so. Some of
these accounts are over 6 years old, and the user may have got rid of their
770 in the meantime.
>
> There has*never* been an unfiltered email sent out, and to do so now
would not be because it's the right thing to do, but because if a lack of
foresight and planning of the votinng process.
>
> That's why having a filter is sensible. If my "karma decays" idea had
been implemented, a threshold would tell you not only that someone had been
active but whether it had been recently.
Where's all this hostility coming from? Read all of my messages.
You've just pissed me off for today, thanks. I'm done with this thread.
Re: Coding competition 2011 - mass emailing
2011-11-10 06:13 UTC
Mailing lists + tmo should reach enough people imo. Ofc you can advertize on twitter, fb and friends too.
-timo
Cosimo Kroll kirjoitti 10.11.2011 8:10:
The awareness. Who is reading the mailing lists in these days? Only small part of the new members who are interested in the Nokia N9.
--
Von meinem Nokia N950 gesendet
timop.harkonen@gmail.com schrieb am 10.11.11 07:07:
So what's wrong with a simple forum poll? Sure some people will have more than one account, etc but that wouldn't change the results that much. I'd guess someone can set the poll so that only accounts created before the competition ended can vote?
This way you only need to create the poll and send mail to the mailing lists. Simple and works.
-timo
andrew@bleb.org kirjoitti 9.11.2011 23:41:
It's not hostility, I thought we were having a forthright discussion amongst friends.
Although looking at some of the messages outside of this thread, there seemed to be a them/us separation; aiming ire at Ferenc for pointing out that sending 57,000 emails was a fairly Bad Idea (whether for server load, netiquette or plain common sense). Not his fault no-one thought about it before, is it?
--
Andrew Flegg | mailto:andrew@bleb.org -- http://www.bleb.org/On 09/11/2011 21:22 Michael Cronenworth wrote:
andrew@bleb.org wrote:
> Is there an easy way to delete the account? I don't think so. Some of these accounts are over 6 years old, and the user may have got rid of their 770 in the meantime.
>
> There has*never* been an unfiltered email sent out, and to do so now would not be because it's the right thing to do, but because if a lack of foresight and planning of the votinng process.
>
> That's why having a filter is sensible. If my "karma decays" idea had been implemented, a threshold would tell you not only that someone had been active but whether it had been recently.
Where's all this hostility coming from? Read all of my messages.
You've just pissed me off for today, thanks. I'm done with this thread.
-timo
Cosimo Kroll kirjoitti 10.11.2011 8:10:
The awareness. Who is reading the mailing lists in these days? Only small part of the new members who are interested in the Nokia N9.
--
Von meinem Nokia N950 gesendet
timop.harkonen@gmail.com schrieb am 10.11.11 07:07:
So what's wrong with a simple forum poll? Sure some people will have more than one account, etc but that wouldn't change the results that much. I'd guess someone can set the poll so that only accounts created before the competition ended can vote?
This way you only need to create the poll and send mail to the mailing lists. Simple and works.
-timo
andrew@bleb.org kirjoitti 9.11.2011 23:41:
It's not hostility, I thought we were having a forthright discussion amongst friends.
Although looking at some of the messages outside of this thread, there seemed to be a them/us separation; aiming ire at Ferenc for pointing out that sending 57,000 emails was a fairly Bad Idea (whether for server load, netiquette or plain common sense). Not his fault no-one thought about it before, is it?
--
Andrew Flegg | mailto:andrew@bleb.org -- http://www.bleb.org/On 09/11/2011 21:22 Michael Cronenworth wrote:
andrew@bleb.org wrote:
> Is there an easy way to delete the account? I don't think so. Some of these accounts are over 6 years old, and the user may have got rid of their 770 in the meantime.
>
> There has*never* been an unfiltered email sent out, and to do so now would not be because it's the right thing to do, but because if a lack of foresight and planning of the votinng process.
>
> That's why having a filter is sensible. If my "karma decays" idea had been implemented, a threshold would tell you not only that someone had been active but whether it had been recently.
Where's all this hostility coming from? Read all of my messages.
You've just pissed me off for today, thanks. I'm done with this thread.
> Is there an easy way to delete the account? I don't think so. Some of these accounts are over 6 years old, and the user may have got rid of their 770 in the meantime.
>
> There has*never* been an unfiltered email sent out, and to do so now would not be because it's the right thing to do, but because if a lack of foresight and planning of the votinng process.
>
> That's why having a filter is sensible. If my "karma decays" idea had been implemented, a threshold would tell you not only that someone had been active but whether it had been recently.
Where's all this hostility coming from? Read all of my messages.
You've just pissed me off for today, thanks. I'm done with this thread.