Good bye!

check you facts
i never applied for a device

On 26 June 2012 08:41, Jed <jedi.theone@gmail.com> wrote:

> You clearly didn't follow all the threads, this was discussed in-depth.
> Everyone agreed they should be allowed to partake too.
> Re-read the criteria, whoever was deemed to have made the biggest
> contribution were to be granted a CA.
> That did not EXCLUDE people who contributed through coding efforts.
> Generally such efforts have the biggest impact & require far more
> effort/skill/time.
> So it's only logical that more of such contributors would win out over
> other community contributors.
> I was disappointed that I didn't win, but I know my contributions haven't
> had anywhere near the impact that others on the list have had.
> Have an honest look at yourself, can you honestly say the opposite?
> I noticed INABT didn't make the cut, that was very surprising.
> But the competition was so tight, there was always going to be some
> deserving users who missed out.
>

Are you saying he reacted angrily?
In some ways I wouldn't blame him.

On 26/06/12 5:25 PM, twilight312@gmail.com wrote:
> Thanks for wise words.
>
> What surprised me most, was INABT reaction to his loss - of course, I
> talk about unpleasant surprise - but, I don't want to do "bashing on
> already dead horse".
>
> /Estel
>
> On wto 26 cze 2012 08:41:42 CEST, Jed <jedi.theone@gmail.com
> <mailto:jedi.theone@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> > You clearly didn't follow all the threads, this was discussed in-depth.
> > Everyone agreed they should be allowed to partake too.
> > Re-read the criteria, whoever was deemed to have made the biggest
> > contribution were to be granted a CA.
> > That did not EXCLUDE people who contributed through coding efforts.
> > Generally such efforts have the biggest impact & require far more
> > effort/skill/time.
> > So it's only logical that more of such contributors would win out over
> > other community contributors.
> > I was disappointed that I didn't win, but I know my contributions
> > haven't had anywhere near the impact that others on the list have had.
> > Have an honest look at yourself, can you honestly say the opposite?
> > I noticed INABT didn't make the cut, that was very surprising.
> > But the competition was so tight, there was always going to be some
> > deserving users who missed out.
> >
> > On 26/06/12 4:21 PM, claude bucher wrote:
> > > there is absolutely nothing to be amused about here
> > > and i'm not talking about Micheal's disappointment not getting a
> > > device, as much as it put his "hitting a brick wall" statement in a
> > > questionable light; wouldn't have minded keeping a brick i guess...
> > >
> > > what may frustrate Micheal (and others, most likely, even thought the
> > > CA winner list thread must already have debated this ad nauseam....)
> > > is the fact that several if not all members of the Council won a N950;
> > > a couple thoughts about this
> > > no matter what personal likes or dislikes one may have for each of the
> > > current Council member, they all made considerable contributions to
> the
> > > Community and their being in the Council is but the most recent one
> (!)
> > > what is maybe more questionable is that many of the CA devices were
> > > granted on base of... missed coding competition opportunities, to put
> > > it bluntly.
> > > is this what this community is all about? coding?
> > > if that's the case, Micheal's statement appears under a different
> light
> > > IF NOKIA decides to pull out of Maemo, more then coding is going to be
> > > needed to save the community...
> > >
> > > however this may be, nothing to be laughing about...
> > >
> > > On 26 June 2012 06:43, Jed <jedi.theone@gmail.com
> <mailto:jedi.theone@gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:jedi.theone@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > LOL....
> > >
> > >
> > > On 26/06/12 2:25 PM, misterc wrote:
> > >
> > > can't help noticing that a couple weeks ago you applied for a N9
> > > from
> > > the CA...
> > > would winning one have changed your opinion on the "no future" idea?
> > >
> > > On 26 June 2012 04:07, Michael Cronenworth [via maemo community
> > > mailing
> > > lists] <[hidden email]
> > > </user/SendEmail.jtp?type=__node&node=7580208&i=0>>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > maemo-community mailing list
> > > maemo-community@maemo.org <mailto:maemo-community@maemo.org>
> > > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > maemo-community mailing list
> > maemo-community@maemo.org <mailto:maemo-community@maemo.org>
> > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
>
>
>
>

So what, my point still holds.

On 26/06/12 5:31 PM, claude bucher wrote:
> check you facts
> i never applied for a device
>
> On 26 June 2012 08:41, Jed <jedi.theone@gmail.com
> <mailto:jedi.theone@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> You clearly didn't follow all the threads, this was discussed
> in-depth. Everyone agreed they should be allowed to partake too.
> Re-read the criteria, whoever was deemed to have made the biggest
> contribution were to be granted a CA.
> That did not EXCLUDE people who contributed through coding efforts.
> Generally such efforts have the biggest impact & require far more
> effort/skill/time.
> So it's only logical that more of such contributors would win out
> over other community contributors.
> I was disappointed that I didn't win, but I know my contributions
> haven't had anywhere near the impact that others on the list have had.
> Have an honest look at yourself, can you honestly say the opposite?
> I noticed INABT didn't make the cut, that was very surprising.
> But the competition was so tight, there was always going to be some
> deserving users who missed out.
>
>
>
>
>

Piotr.,

don't mention it ;)

as to INABT...
Pierre Coubertin, the "father" of the modern olympic games once said...
«seeking record is as bad for the body as for the soul; it wears out the
body and cripples the soul.»
if a member of the Community was only seeking a device, he probably lost
"the soul", no?

On 26 June 2012 09:25, twilight312@gmail.com <twilight312@gmail.com> wrote:

> **
>
> Thanks for wise words.
>
> What surprised me most, was INABT reaction to his loss - of course, I talk
> about unpleasant surprise - but, I don't want to do "bashing on already
> dead horse".
>
> /Estel
>
> On wto 26 cze 2012 08:41:42 CEST, Jed <jedi.theone@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > You clearly didn't follow all the threads, this was discussed in-depth.
> > Everyone agreed they should be allowed to partake too.
> > Re-read the criteria, whoever was deemed to have made the biggest
> > contribution were to be granted a CA.
> > That did not EXCLUDE people who contributed through coding efforts.
> > Generally such efforts have the biggest impact & require far more
> > effort/skill/time.
> > So it's only logical that more of such contributors would win out over
> > other community contributors.
> > I was disappointed that I didn't win, but I know my contributions
> > haven't had anywhere near the impact that others on the list have had.
> > Have an honest look at yourself, can you honestly say the opposite?
> > I noticed INABT didn't make the cut, that was very surprising.
> > But the competition was so tight, there was always going to be some
> > deserving users who missed out.
> >
> > On 26/06/12 4:21 PM, claude bucher wrote:
> > > there is absolutely nothing to be amused about here
> > > and i'm not talking about Micheal's disappointment not getting a
> > > device, as much as it put his "hitting a brick wall" statement in a
> > > questionable light; wouldn't have minded keeping a brick i guess...
> > >
> > > what may frustrate Micheal (and others, most likely, even thought the
> > > CA winner list thread must already have debated this ad nauseam....)
> > > is the fact that several if not all members of the Council won a N950;
> > > a couple thoughts about this
> > > no matter what personal likes or dislikes one may have for each of the
> > > current Council member, they all made considerable contributions to
> the
> > > Community and their being in the Council is but the most recent one
> (!)
> > > what is maybe more questionable is that many of the CA devices were
> > > granted on base of... missed coding competition opportunities, to put
> > > it bluntly.
> > > is this what this community is all about? coding?
> > > if that's the case, Micheal's statement appears under a different
> light
> > > IF NOKIA decides to pull out of Maemo, more then coding is going to be
> > > needed to save the community...
> > >
> > > however this may be, nothing to be laughing about...
> > >
> > > On 26 June 2012 06:43, Jed <jedi.theone@gmail.com
> > > <mailto:jedi.theone@gmail.com <jedi.theone@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > LOL....
> > >
> > >
> > > On 26/06/12 2:25 PM, misterc wrote:
> > >
> > > can't help noticing that a couple weeks ago you applied for a N9
> > > from
> > > the CA...
> > > would winning one have changed your opinion on the "no future" idea?
> > >
> > > On 26 June 2012 04:07, Michael Cronenworth [via maemo community
> > > mailing
> > > lists] <[hidden email]
> > > </user/SendEmail.jtp?type=__node&node=7580208&i=0>>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > maemo-community mailing list
> > > maemo-community@maemo.org
> > > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > maemo-community mailing list
> > maemo-community@maemo.org
> > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
>
>
>
>

Guys please be fair. Enough of this bashing. Everyone was doing what
they were doing before the CA was announced. In times like these when
an antagonist serves a rage ball and this ball is on your side of the
net as it where. It is best to stop playing the game. Let them have a
win and have the final say.


On 26/06/2012 08:44, claude bucher wrote:
> Piotr.,
>
> don't mention it ;)
>
> as to INABT...
> Pierre Coubertin, the "father" of the modern olympic games once said...
> «seeking record is as bad for the body as for the soul; it wears out
> the body and cripples the soul.»
> if a member of the Community was only seeking a device, he probably
> lost "the soul", no?
>
> On 26 June 2012 09:25, twilight312@gmail.com
> <mailto:twilight312@gmail.com> <twilight312@gmail.com
> <mailto:twilight312@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Thanks for wise words.
>
> What surprised me most, was INABT reaction to his loss - of
> course, I talk about unpleasant surprise - but, I don't want to do
> "bashing on already dead horse".
>
> /Estel
>
>
> On wto 26 cze 2012 08:41:42 CEST, Jed <jedi.theone@gmail.com
> <mailto:jedi.theone@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> > You clearly didn't follow all the threads, this was discussed
> in-depth.
> > Everyone agreed they should be allowed to partake too.
> > Re-read the criteria, whoever was deemed to have made the biggest
> > contribution were to be granted a CA.
> > That did not EXCLUDE people who contributed through coding efforts.
> > Generally such efforts have the biggest impact & require far more
> > effort/skill/time.
> > So it's only logical that more of such contributors would win
> out over
> > other community contributors.
> > I was disappointed that I didn't win, but I know my contributions
> > haven't had anywhere near the impact that others on the list
> have had.
> > Have an honest look at yourself, can you honestly say the opposite?
> > I noticed INABT didn't make the cut, that was very surprising.
> > But the competition was so tight, there was always going to be some
> > deserving users who missed out.
> >
> > On 26/06/12 4:21 PM, claude bucher wrote:
> > > there is absolutely nothing to be amused about here
> > > and i'm not talking about Micheal's disappointment not getting a
> > > device, as much as it put his "hitting a brick wall" statement
> in a
> > > questionable light; wouldn't have minded keeping a brick i
> guess...
> > >
> > > what may frustrate Micheal (and others, most likely, even
> thought the
> > > CA winner list thread must already have debated this ad
> nauseam....)
> > > is the fact that several if not all members of the Council won
> a N950;
> > > a couple thoughts about this
> > > no matter what personal likes or dislikes one may have for
> each of the
> > > current Council member, they all made considerable
> contributions to the
> > > Community and their being in the Council is but the most
> recent one (!)
> > > what is maybe more questionable is that many of the CA devices
> were
> > > granted on base of... missed coding competition opportunities,
> to put
> > > it bluntly.
> > > is this what this community is all about? coding?
> > > if that's the case, Micheal's statement appears under a
> different light
> > > IF NOKIA decides to pull out of Maemo, more then coding is
> going to be
> > > needed to save the community...
> > >
> > > however this may be, nothing to be laughing about...
> > >
> > > On 26 June 2012 06:43, Jed <jedi.theone@gmail.com
> <mailto:jedi.theone@gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:jedi.theone@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > LOL....
> > >
> > >
> > > On 26/06/12 2:25 PM, misterc wrote:
> > >
> > > can't help noticing that a couple weeks ago you applied for a N9
> > > from
> > > the CA...
> > > would winning one have changed your opinion on the "no future"
> idea?
> > >
> > > On 26 June 2012 04:07, Michael Cronenworth [via maemo community
> > > mailing
> > > lists] <[hidden email]
> > > </user/SendEmail.jtp?type=__node&node=7580208&i=0>>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > maemo-community mailing list
> > > maemo-community@maemo.org <mailto:maemo-community@maemo.org>
> > > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > maemo-community mailing list
> > maemo-community@maemo.org <mailto:maemo-community@maemo.org>
> > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> maemo-community mailing list
> maemo-community@maemo.org <mailto:maemo-community@maemo.org>
> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
>
>
>
>

whatever man, you finished whining yet.

On 26/06/12 5:44 PM, claude bucher wrote:
> Piotr.,
>
> don't mention it ;)
>
> as to INABT...
> Pierre Coubertin, the "father" of the modern olympic games once said...
> «seeking record is as bad for the body as for the soul; it wears out the
> body and cripples the soul.»
> if a member of the Community was only seeking a device, he probably lost
> "the soul", no?
>
> On 26 June 2012 09:25, twilight312@gmail.com
> <mailto:twilight312@gmail.com> <twilight312@gmail.com
> <mailto:twilight312@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> __
>
> Thanks for wise words.
>
> What surprised me most, was INABT reaction to his loss - of course,
> I talk about unpleasant surprise - but, I don't want to do "bashing
> on already dead horse".
>
> /Estel
>
>
> On wto 26 cze 2012 08:41:42 CEST, Jed <jedi.theone@gmail.com
> <mailto:jedi.theone@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> > You clearly didn't follow all the threads, this was discussed
> in-depth.
> > Everyone agreed they should be allowed to partake too.
> > Re-read the criteria, whoever was deemed to have made the biggest
> > contribution were to be granted a CA.
> > That did not EXCLUDE people who contributed through coding efforts.
> > Generally such efforts have the biggest impact & require far more
> > effort/skill/time.
> > So it's only logical that more of such contributors would win out
> over
> > other community contributors.
> > I was disappointed that I didn't win, but I know my contributions
> > haven't had anywhere near the impact that others on the list have
> had.
> > Have an honest look at yourself, can you honestly say the opposite?
> > I noticed INABT didn't make the cut, that was very surprising.
> > But the competition was so tight, there was always going to be some
> > deserving users who missed out.
> >
> > On 26/06/12 4:21 PM, claude bucher wrote:
> > > there is absolutely nothing to be amused about here
> > > and i'm not talking about Micheal's disappointment not getting a
> > > device, as much as it put his "hitting a brick wall" statement
> in a
> > > questionable light; wouldn't have minded keeping a brick i
> guess...
> > >
> > > what may frustrate Micheal (and others, most likely, even
> thought the
> > > CA winner list thread must already have debated this ad
> nauseam....)
> > > is the fact that several if not all members of the Council won
> a N950;
> > > a couple thoughts about this
> > > no matter what personal likes or dislikes one may have for each
> of the
> > > current Council member, they all made considerable
> contributions to the
> > > Community and their being in the Council is but the most recent
> one (!)
> > > what is maybe more questionable is that many of the CA devices
> were
> > > granted on base of... missed coding competition opportunities,
> to put
> > > it bluntly.
> > > is this what this community is all about? coding?
> > > if that's the case, Micheal's statement appears under a
> different light
> > > IF NOKIA decides to pull out of Maemo, more then coding is
> going to be
> > > needed to save the community...
> > >
> > > however this may be, nothing to be laughing about...
> > >
> > > On 26 June 2012 06:43, Jed <jedi.theone@gmail.com
> <mailto:jedi.theone@gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:jedi.theone@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > LOL....
> > >
> > >
> > > On 26/06/12 2:25 PM, misterc wrote:
> > >
> > > can't help noticing that a couple weeks ago you applied for a N9
> > > from
> > > the CA...
> > > would winning one have changed your opinion on the "no future"
> idea?
> > >
> > > On 26 June 2012 04:07, Michael Cronenworth [via maemo community
> > > mailing
> > > lists] <[hidden email]
> > > </user/SendEmail.jtp?type=__node&node=7580208&i=0>>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > maemo-community mailing list
> > > maemo-community@maemo.org <mailto:maemo-community@maemo.org>
> > > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > maemo-community mailing list
> > maemo-community@maemo.org <mailto:maemo-community@maemo.org>
> > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> maemo-community mailing list
> maemo-community@maemo.org <mailto:maemo-community@maemo.org>
> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
>
>
>
>
>

This from w00t of all people?
Agreed with the sentiments/point though.

On 26/06/12 5:50 PM, Paul Sleggs wrote:
> Guys please be fair. Enough of this bashing. Everyone was doing what
> they were doing before the CA was announced. In times like these when
> an antagonist serves a rage ball and this ball is on your side of the
> net as it where. It is best to stop playing the game. Let them have a
> win and have the final say.
>
>
> On 26/06/2012 08:44, claude bucher wrote:
>> Piotr.,
>>
>> don't mention it ;)
>>
>> as to INABT...
>> Pierre Coubertin, the "father" of the modern olympic games once said...
>> «seeking record is as bad for the body as for the soul; it wears out
>> the body and cripples the soul.»
>> if a member of the Community was only seeking a device, he probably
>> lost "the soul", no?
>>
>> On 26 June 2012 09:25, twilight312@gmail.com
>> <mailto:twilight312@gmail.com> <twilight312@gmail.com
>> <mailto:twilight312@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for wise words.
>>
>> What surprised me most, was INABT reaction to his loss - of
>> course, I talk about unpleasant surprise - but, I don't want to do
>> "bashing on already dead horse".
>>
>> /Estel
>>
>>
>> On wto 26 cze 2012 08:41:42 CEST, Jed <jedi.theone@gmail.com
>> <mailto:jedi.theone@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> > You clearly didn't follow all the threads, this was discussed
>> in-depth.
>> > Everyone agreed they should be allowed to partake too.
>> > Re-read the criteria, whoever was deemed to have made the biggest
>> > contribution were to be granted a CA.
>> > That did not EXCLUDE people who contributed through coding efforts.
>> > Generally such efforts have the biggest impact & require far more
>> > effort/skill/time.
>> > So it's only logical that more of such contributors would win
>> out over
>> > other community contributors.
>> > I was disappointed that I didn't win, but I know my contributions
>> > haven't had anywhere near the impact that others on the list
>> have had.
>> > Have an honest look at yourself, can you honestly say the opposite?
>> > I noticed INABT didn't make the cut, that was very surprising.
>> > But the competition was so tight, there was always going to be some
>> > deserving users who missed out.
>> >
>> > On 26/06/12 4:21 PM, claude bucher wrote:
>> > > there is absolutely nothing to be amused about here
>> > > and i'm not talking about Micheal's disappointment not getting a
>> > > device, as much as it put his "hitting a brick wall" statement
>> in a
>> > > questionable light; wouldn't have minded keeping a brick i
>> guess...
>> > >
>> > > what may frustrate Micheal (and others, most likely, even
>> thought the
>> > > CA winner list thread must already have debated this ad
>> nauseam....)
>> > > is the fact that several if not all members of the Council won
>> a N950;
>> > > a couple thoughts about this
>> > > no matter what personal likes or dislikes one may have for
>> each of the
>> > > current Council member, they all made considerable
>> contributions to the
>> > > Community and their being in the Council is but the most
>> recent one (!)
>> > > what is maybe more questionable is that many of the CA devices
>> were
>> > > granted on base of... missed coding competition opportunities,
>> to put
>> > > it bluntly.
>> > > is this what this community is all about? coding?
>> > > if that's the case, Micheal's statement appears under a
>> different light
>> > > IF NOKIA decides to pull out of Maemo, more then coding is
>> going to be
>> > > needed to save the community...
>> > >
>> > > however this may be, nothing to be laughing about...
>> > >
>> > > On 26 June 2012 06:43, Jed <jedi.theone@gmail.com
>> <mailto:jedi.theone@gmail.com>
>> > > <mailto:jedi.theone@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > LOL....
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 26/06/12 2:25 PM, misterc wrote:
>> > >
>> > > can't help noticing that a couple weeks ago you applied for a N9
>> > > from
>> > > the CA...
>> > > would winning one have changed your opinion on the "no future"
>> idea?
>> > >
>> > > On 26 June 2012 04:07, Michael Cronenworth [via maemo community
>> > > mailing
>> > > lists] <[hidden email]
>> > > </user/SendEmail.jtp?type=__node&node=7580208&i=0>>
>> > >
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > maemo-community mailing list
>> > > maemo-community@maemo.org <mailto:maemo-community@maemo.org>
>> > > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
>> > >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > maemo-community mailing list
>> > maemo-community@maemo.org <mailto:maemo-community@maemo.org>
>> > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> maemo-community mailing list
>> maemo-community@maemo.org <mailto:maemo-community@maemo.org>
>> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>

On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 17:52 +1000, Jed wrote:
> whatever man, you finished whining yet.

Full-quoting, answering above the quote, having nothing to express
except for a snarky comment that does not interest anybody else on the
mailing list, and most importantly missing respect towards others:

Welcome to maemo-community mailing list in June 2012!

andre

You're fucking kidding me right?
Look at the freaking tone of the others posts.

They were nothing but a big bitch session because they:
a) didn't win
OR
b) were "suspicious" of the entire process

I addressed that in a non-snarky way yet the bitching continued.
Sorry, but continued bitching -> snarky response.
And fuck you to "Mr manners" ;-)

Jed

On 26/06/12 7:40 PM, Andre Klapper wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 17:52 +1000, Jed wrote:
>> whatever man, you finished whining yet.
>
> Full-quoting, answering above the quote, having nothing to express
> except for a snarky comment that does not interest anybody else on the
> mailing list, and most importantly missing respect towards others:
>
> Welcome to maemo-community mailing list in June 2012!
>
> andre
>
>

You're fucking kidding me right?
Look at the freaking tone of the others posts.

They were nothing but a big bitch session because they:
a) didn't win
OR
b) were "suspicious" of the entire process

I addressed that in a non-snarky way yet the bitching continued.
Sorry, but continued bitching -> snarky response.
And fuck you too "Mr manners" ;-)

Jed

On 26/06/12 7:40 PM, Andre Klapper wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 17:52 +1000, Jed wrote:
>> whatever man, you finished whining yet.
>
> Full-quoting, answering above the quote, having nothing to express
> except for a snarky comment that does not interest anybody else on the
> mailing list, and most importantly missing respect towards others:
>
> Welcome to maemo-community mailing list in June 2012!
>
> andre
>
>