Monthly Sprint Proposal

On Apr 8, 2009, at 18:35, Ryan Abel wrote:

> On Apr 8, 2009, at 6:08 AM, Jeremiah Foster wrote:
>>
>>
>> This ought to be obvious to all concerned - before you can hold
>> someone accountable, you need to define their responsibilities.
>
> . . . and I think we did when we hired you, no?

It would be interesting to look at the documented responsibilities
from when I was hired. I don't have that at hand, perhaps someone else
does?

> You outlined it pretty
> well in another email:

Oughtn't that be not put forward just by me, but in conjunction with
the council and community so that misunderstanding does not occur?

>> 1. Creating packages for maemo
>> 2. Maintaing tools for packaging and policy for packaging
>> 3. Helping, along with the webmaster, to create healthy ecosystem of
>> repositories.
>
>
> although I think that assisting developers with packaging needs to be
> near the top of that list.

Excellent feedback, thanks. I will try to do more of this, especially
on ITt.

>> The current council is ignoring this and looking for ways to "police"
>> and "boss" before the roles are defined.
>
> Well, now I know what it's like to work for Maemo SW, anyway. . . .
>
> What _I'm_ seeing here is a strong reaction to the language usage in a
> __question__. Questions aren't statements of intent, nor should they
> receive strong reactions as if they were. If every question had such a
> big reaction, people would stop asking questions outright and then
> where would we be? :)

I think you are mistaken. If I were to say; "What is this rubbish?!"
while looking at a Corot watercolor, you might accurately understand
my intent. :P

>> This is an abrogation of the
>> agreement with the previous council, even if that agreement was
>> implicit and poorly defined. It is also an implicit criticism of the
>> paid staff and of the previous council, for some reason Alan feels
>> that the staff need to "stay on task" and need "policing". This is
>> more than poor language choice, it points to the desire for hierarchy
>> in what is traditionally a flat organizational structure.
>>
>>>> Turning to the council for a judgement of people's performance
>>>> leaves
>>>> lots of room for personal opinions and unprofessional appraisals,
>>>> this
>>>> will almost certainly be an area of contention that will require
>>>> delicate handling.
>>>
>>> Only if you think the council is opinionated and unprofessional.
>>
>> In some instances the council has been unprofessional, so yes, I do
>> think that.
>
> If you have a specific issue, I'd like to hear it. This is the same
> sort of thing that spawned this discussion.
>
>>> I don't think the community (including Nokia) forgets that the
>>> maemo.org
>>> team is made of people (on the contrary, you are getting much more
>>> personal trust, understanding and appraisal an average employee
>>> would
>>> get in an average corporate job).
>>
>> To say I get "much more" of those things from the community and Nokia
>> is not factually correct, especially after statements like this;
>> "<qole> I agree that the paid people should work for the community.
>> So
>> that means that the Council is the "boss" of the paid team, as
>> elected
>> representatives of the community. I'm just looking for a word that
>> conveys the "buck stops here" role, when there are performance
>> concerns, etc..."
>
> Notice he said the _average_ employee. Presenting a specific case to
> contradict an average is not factually accurate.
>
>> Surely you agree that is a direct questioning of the performance of
>> the paid staff?
>
> I don't. What I see is qole trying to figure out what his role really
> is, requesting that people involved in maemo.org make an effort to be
> clear and open in their reporting, and some proposals for how to make
> that easier for everybody.

Perhaps we can agree to disagree here.

Jeremiah

On Apr 9, 2009, at 10:12, Andrew Flegg wrote:

> 2009/4/9 Qole <qole.tablet@gmail.com>:
>>
> [snip good stuff]
>>
>> I am taking my role as Councilor very seriously, but I need to know
>> exactly what that means before I can do a good job at it. I can't
>> do a
>> good job if I don't really know what a "good job" looks like.
>> Thanks to
>> Jaffa's work on the wiki page, that is getting clearer, and this
>> thread
>> is making things clearer still. (I think Jaffa could probably
>> update our
>> page with some of the things in this thread)
>
> I think you could update it too - no reason it has to be me (and
> I/someone else/you can always change it if we don't like it :-))
>
> Let's hold off a bit, though, to see what the effect these discussions
> have on our thinking about roles & responsibilities.
>
> BTW, do we have a (wiki) page listing all the maemo.org employees
> ("paid contributors", sorry)? If so, along with a bit of a bio, it
> could hold the role descriptions and responsibilities - with each of
> you writing your own as a first draft. Thoughts?

Great idea, here is mine: http://wiki.maemo.org/Debmaster

Jeremiah

On Apr 9, 2009, at 4:12 AM, Andrew Flegg wrote:

> BTW, do we have a (wiki) page listing all the maemo.org employees
> ("paid contributors", sorry)? If so, along with a bit of a bio, it
> could hold the role descriptions and responsibilities - with each of
> you writing your own as a first draft. Thoughts?


http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_team

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Ryan Abel
Maemo Community Council member