N9 device seeding activity

Hi,

Let's say we could have a nice amount of N9s (*) for a maemo.org
centered device seeding activity. I could get them as part of two lines
of work where the maemo.org community might want to play a role:

- Encouraging developers bringing stable & interesting apps to the Nokia
Store. There is a source of inspiration at
http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Apps_Missing
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83333

- Encouraging developers to port & develop apps to Qt 5, getting
familiar and ready for the next big Qt iteration and providing feedback
to the developers at http://qt-project.org &
http://wiki.qt-project.org/Qt_5_on_Nokia_N9


If needed, a few devices could be invested in side activities related to
these tracks:

- Improvements in apps infra at maemo.org or the evolution of COBS /
apps.formeego.org / etc.

- Improvements in Qt 5 support in the N9.


What do you think?

Ideally Nokia would provide to the community an amount of devices and
the infrastructure to deliver them for free to the fortunate developers,
using the http://developer.nokia.com infrastructure. The criteria and
selection of recipients could be done by the community itself, and I
could help wherever needed.

If you like the idea we can proceed. A good goal would be to have the
recipients defined by the end of May, so we can have all the shipments
during the first days of June. The closest we get to July the easier
will be to get hit by Summer holidays delays.

(*) I can't 100% confirm a number today but let's say 100 N9s and
(surprise surprise) the last batch of sealed N950s I know about (just a
few units).

--
Quim

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 16:32, Quim Gil <quim.gil@nokia.com> wrote:
> What do you think?

How can it not be a great idea?

We'd need to agree on a set of criteria for choosing the fortunate candidates.

A Wiki page where candidates will add their own and from which the
Council (?) will pick the fortunate ones. Much like it was done for
the Raspberry Pi.

Aniello

On 19-4-2012 17:32, Quim Gil wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Let's say we could have a nice amount of N9s (*) for a maemo.org
> centered device seeding activity. I could get them as part of two
> lines of work where the maemo.org community might want to play a role:
>
> - Encouraging developers bringing stable & interesting apps to the
> Nokia Store. There is a source of inspiration at
> http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Apps_Missing
> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83333
>
> - Encouraging developers to port & develop apps to Qt 5, getting
> familiar and ready for the next big Qt iteration and providing
> feedback to the developers at http://qt-project.org &
> http://wiki.qt-project.org/Qt_5_on_Nokia_N9
>
>
> If needed, a few devices could be invested in side activities related
> to these tracks:
>
> - Improvements in apps infra at maemo.org or the evolution of COBS /
> apps.formeego.org / etc.
>
> - Improvements in Qt 5 support in the N9.
>
>
> What do you think?
>
> Ideally Nokia would provide to the community an amount of devices and
> the infrastructure to deliver them for free to the fortunate
> developers, using the http://developer.nokia.com infrastructure. The
> criteria and selection of recipients could be done by the community
> itself, and I could help wherever needed.
>
> If you like the idea we can proceed. A good goal would be to have the
> recipients defined by the end of May, so we can have all the shipments
> during the first days of June. The closest we get to July the easier
> will be to get hit by Summer holidays delays.
>
> (*) I can't 100% confirm a number today but let's say 100 N9s and
> (surprise surprise) the last batch of sealed N950s I know about (just
> a few units).
>
> --
> Quim

Hi Quim, This is a really excellent idea!

--
Vriendelike groete/Vriendelijke groeten/Kind regards,

Willie Pretorius
Rotterdam, Nederland.
Twitter : http://twitter.com/WilliePre
: http://twitter.com/brokwollie (alleen Afrikaans)
LinkedIn : http://www.linkedin.com/in/wjpretorius

Hi

19. huhtikuuta 2012 18.44 Willie Pretorius
<willie.pretorius@gmail.com>kirjoitti:

> On 19-4-2012 17:32, Quim Gil wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Let's say we could have a nice amount of N9s (*) for a maemo.orgcentered device seeding activity. I could get them as part of two lines of
>> work where the maemo.org community might want to play a role:
>>
>> - Encouraging developers bringing stable & interesting apps to the Nokia
>> Store. There is a source of inspiration at http://www.developer.nokia.**
>> com/Community/Wiki/Apps_**Missing<http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Apps_Missing>
>> http://talk.maemo.org/**showthread.php?t=83333<http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83333>
>>
>> - Encouraging developers to port & develop apps to Qt 5, getting familiar
>> and ready for the next big Qt iteration and providing feedback to the
>> developers at http://qt-project.org & http://wiki.qt-project.org/Qt_**
>> 5_on_Nokia_N9 <http://wiki.qt-project.org/Qt_5_on_Nokia_N9>
>>
>>
>> If needed, a few devices could be invested in side activities related to
>> these tracks:
>>
>> - Improvements in apps infra at maemo.org or the evolution of COBS /
>> apps.formeego.org / etc.
>>
>> - Improvements in Qt 5 support in the N9.
>>
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>
A very good idea. I'd bet that no one in the community has any objections
to this :)


>
>> Ideally Nokia would provide to the community an amount of devices and the
>> infrastructure to deliver them for free to the fortunate developers, using
>> the http://developer.nokia.com infrastructure. The criteria and
>> selection of recipients could be done by the community itself, and I could
>> help wherever needed.
>>
>> If you like the idea we can proceed. A good goal would be to have the
>> recipients defined by the end of May, so we can have all the shipments
>> during the first days of June. The closest we get to July the easier will
>> be to get hit by Summer holidays delays.
>>
>

I would emphasize past contributions like testing, applications written for
maemo/meego, community activities, etc. when selecting the recipients (but
not only the past). Basically pretty much the same way that the n950 devkit
and rasbpi things were done having the candidate listing in the public, for
example in maemo wiki. I'd ask the candidates to provide the following
details: name, username, link to maemo.org profile, past contributions,
current activities, plans with the device if selected. And naturally the
task of choosing the recipients goes to the council.

Really hoping to see this boost the developer activity around maemo.org.

-Timo



>
>> (*) I can't 100% confirm a number today but let's say 100 N9s and
>> (surprise surprise) the last batch of sealed N950s I know about (just a few
>> units).
>>
>>
I could change my n950 with a broken screen :) no seriously, the lucky ones
getting it be careful not to drop it. the screen is a bit sensitive to
falling..

-Timo



> --
>> Quim
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>>
>
> Hi Quim, This is a really excellent idea!
>
> --
> Vriendelike groete/Vriendelijke groeten/Kind regards,
>
> Willie Pretorius
> Rotterdam, Nederland.
> Twitter : http://twitter.com/WilliePre
> : http://twitter.com/brokwollie (alleen Afrikaans)
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>

> Let's say we could have a nice amount of N9s (*) for a maemo.org centered
> device seeding activity. I could get them as part of two lines of work where
> the maemo.org community might want to play a role:
>
> - Encouraging developers bringing stable & interesting apps to the Nokia
> Store. There is a source of inspiration at
> http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Apps_Missing
> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83333
>
> - Encouraging developers to port & develop apps to Qt 5, getting familiar
> and ready for the next big Qt iteration and providing feedback to the
> developers at http://qt-project.org &
> http://wiki.qt-project.org/Qt_5_on_Nokia_N9
>
>
> If needed, a few devices could be invested in side activities related to
> these tracks:
>
> - Improvements in apps infra at maemo.org or the evolution of COBS /
> apps.formeego.org / etc.
>
> - Improvements in Qt 5 support in the N9.
>
>
> What do you think?

I think it is a fantastic idea. I second Timo's suggestion that it be much like
the previous seeding.

Keep the great ideas coming Quim!

E

--
Erik Hovland
erik@hovland.org
http://hovland.org/

On 19/04/2012 19:58, Erik Hovland wrote:
>> Let's say we could have a nice amount of N9s (*) for a maemo.org centered
>> device seeding activity. I could get them as part of two lines of work where
>> the maemo.org community might want to play a role:
>>
>> - Encouraging developers bringing stable& interesting apps to the Nokia
>> Store. There is a source of inspiration at
>> http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Apps_Missing
>> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83333
>>
>> - Encouraging developers to port& develop apps to Qt 5, getting familiar
>> and ready for the next big Qt iteration and providing feedback to the
>> developers at http://qt-project.org&
>> http://wiki.qt-project.org/Qt_5_on_Nokia_N9
>>
>>
>> If needed, a few devices could be invested in side activities related to
>> these tracks:
>>
>> - Improvements in apps infra at maemo.org or the evolution of COBS /
>> apps.formeego.org / etc.
>>
>> - Improvements in Qt 5 support in the N9.
>>
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
> I think it is a fantastic idea. I second Timo's suggestion that it be much like
> the previous seeding.
>
> Keep the great ideas coming Quim!
>
> E
>
>
EXCELLENT NEWS !

Of course, it s should take care of previous distributed devices to not
distribute a second one to the same people.

A n950 user :)

--
Benoît HERVIER - http://khertan.net/

2012/4/19 Benoît HERVIER <khertan@khertan.net>:
> On 19/04/2012 19:58, Erik Hovland wrote:
>>>
>>> Let's say we could have a nice amount of N9s (*) for a maemo.org centered
>>> device seeding activity. I could get them as part of two lines of work
>>> where
>>> the maemo.org community might want to play a role:
>>>
>>> - Encouraging developers bringing stable&  interesting apps to the Nokia
>>>
>>> Store. There is a source of inspiration at
>>> http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Apps_Missing
>>> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83333
>>>
>>> - Encouraging developers to port&  develop apps to Qt 5, getting familiar
>>>
>>> and ready for the next big Qt iteration and providing feedback to the
>>> developers at http://qt-project.org&
>>> http://wiki.qt-project.org/Qt_5_on_Nokia_N9
>>>
>>>
>>> If needed, a few devices could be invested in side activities related to
>>> these tracks:
>>>
>>> - Improvements in apps infra at maemo.org or the evolution of COBS /
>>> apps.formeego.org / etc.
>>>
>>> - Improvements in Qt 5 support in the N9.
>>>
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>
>> I think it is a fantastic idea. I second Timo's suggestion that it be much
>> like
>> the previous seeding.
>>
>> Keep the great ideas coming Quim!
>>
>> E
>>
>>
>
> EXCELLENT NEWS !
>
> Of course, it s should take care of previous distributed devices to not
> distribute a second one to the same people.
>
> A n950 user :)
>

I was just about to give away my n950 to a worthy developer :-p :-p

--
anidel

>> EXCELLENT NEWS !
>>
>> Of course, it s should take care of previous distributed devices to not
>> distribute a second one to the same people.
>>
>> A n950 user :)
>>
>
> I was just about to give away my n950 to a worthy developer :-p :-p

Don't let a few hundred N9s and a couple N950s change your mind.
Worthiness will far outstrip supply!

E

--
Erik Hovland
erik@hovland.org
http://hovland.org/

Hi,

In playing Devil's Advocate, though...

What will this actually do for Maemo or Meego or Meego Harmattan or
Nokia...?

I think it's an amazing gesture that will most likely spawn a number of
community efforts (which is a good thing), but what's the ultimate point
of the offering?

Will Nokia see a bunch of impassioned developers and change their
decisions about the future of Meego Harmattan?

I understand the impetus to get people developing with Qt5, etc., but
will these devices actually do that? Or, will they just get people to
stick with the Meego Harmattan platform and not think of the future?

Qt5+ is, of course, the goal of something like this -- and it helps that
it's cross-platform -- but what are your device recipients actually
going to do with their devices? Will they really go whole hog into Qt
development?

Remember, I'm playing Devil's Advocate here... Personally, I really like
the idea -- as ideas like this have always reinvigorated the community.
But, is it something that will benefit our community in the long-run?

Here's what I would like to see come from something like this:

A certain (large) percentage of community developers become really good
Qt developers and stop harping on what Maemo/Meego is/was. If this
doesn't happen, then I think that the offering should be considered a
failure.

We don't need more people putting effort into prolonging Maemo/Meego. We
need people who are willing to put time and effort into forging a future
for the community, be it linux mobile, or something else.

Yes, I've been ranting a lot lately -- apologies. It's been quite a
strange experience to see the Maemo community going through what it's
going through right now... Déjà vu. What I'd really like to see is a new
direction with new prospects and new community members.

Something like what Quim is suggesting could help. But, it could also
hinder.

Br,
Tim

--
http://samoff.com



Quim Gil wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Let's say we could have a nice amount of N9s (*) for a maemo.org
> centered device seeding activity. I could get them as part of two lines
> of work where the maemo.org community might want to play a role:
>
> - Encouraging developers bringing stable & interesting apps to the Nokia
> Store. There is a source of inspiration at
> http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Apps_Missing
> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83333
>
> - Encouraging developers to port & develop apps to Qt 5, getting
> familiar and ready for the next big Qt iteration and providing feedback
> to the developers at http://qt-project.org &
> http://wiki.qt-project.org/Qt_5_on_Nokia_N9
>
>
> If needed, a few devices could be invested in side activities related to
> these tracks:
>
> - Improvements in apps infra at maemo.org or the evolution of COBS /
> apps.formeego.org / etc.
>
> - Improvements in Qt 5 support in the N9.
>
>
> What do you think?
>
> Ideally Nokia would provide to the community an amount of devices and
> the infrastructure to deliver them for free to the fortunate developers,
> using the http://developer.nokia.com infrastructure. The criteria and
> selection of recipients could be done by the community itself, and I
> could help wherever needed.
>
> If you like the idea we can proceed. A good goal would be to have the
> recipients defined by the end of May, so we can have all the shipments
> during the first days of June. The closest we get to July the easier
> will be to get hit by Summer holidays delays.
>
> (*) I can't 100% confirm a number today but let's say 100 N9s and
> (surprise surprise) the last batch of sealed N950s I know about (just a
> few units).
>
> --
> Quim

Hi

19. huhtikuuta 2012 21.53 Tim Samoff <tim@samoff.com> kirjoitti:

> Hi,
>
> In playing Devil's Advocate, though...
>
> What will this actually do for Maemo or Meego or Meego Harmattan or
> Nokia...?
>
>
As I understood it prepares for the future in addition to letting people
learn and work on the current things.


> I think it's an amazing gesture that will most likely spawn a number of
> community efforts (which is a good thing), but what's the ultimate point
> of the offering?
>
> Will Nokia see a bunch of impassioned developers and change their
> decisions about the future of Meego Harmattan?
>
> I understand the impetus to get people developing with Qt5, etc., but
> will these devices actually do that? Or, will they just get people to
> stick with the Meego Harmattan platform and not think of the future?
>
> Qt5+ is, of course, the goal of something like this -- and it helps that
> it's cross-platform -- but what are your device recipients actually
> going to do with their devices? Will they really go whole hog into Qt
> development?
>

yep. at least I see Qt as one of the main things with this. (disclaimer: I
see Qt everywhere :) )


>
> Remember, I'm playing Devil's Advocate here... Personally, I really like
> the idea -- as ideas like this have always reinvigorated the community.
> But, is it something that will benefit our community in the long-run?
>

dunno about the long run but helps to get something else than whining going
on in the community (not saying you are a whiner or claiming that everyone
is a whiner - there just seems to be a lot of it in the air around here).
As I see it this gives people within the community possibilities and as a
side product the larger community might benefit from it.


>
> Here's what I would like to see come from something like this:
>
> A certain (large) percentage of community developers become really good
> Qt developers and stop harping on what Maemo/Meego is/was. If this
> doesn't happen, then I think that the offering should be considered a
> failure.
>

+1


>
> We don't need more people putting effort into prolonging Maemo/Meego. We
> need people who are willing to put time and effort into forging a future
> for the community, be it linux mobile, or something else.
>
>
+1 but I don't see the harm of letting people work on the older stuff if
it's plausible and they feel it's worth their time and effort. I'm sure
we'll see comments that this is wrong and all the community efforts should
go into n900 related things, etc.


> Yes, I've been ranting a lot lately -- apologies. It's been quite a
> strange experience to see the Maemo community going through what it's
> going through right now... Déjà vu. What I'd really like to see is a new
> direction with new prospects and new community members.
>
>
No need for an apology. At least I like seeing comments like this. They are
the ones that really make you think and assert your own views on a subject.

BR,

Timo



> Something like what Quim is suggesting could help. But, it could also
> hinder.
>
> Br,
> Tim
>
> --
> http://samoff.com
>
>
>
> Quim Gil wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Let's say we could have a nice amount of N9s (*) for a maemo.org
> > centered device seeding activity. I could get them as part of two lines
> > of work where the maemo.org community might want to play a role:
> >
> > - Encouraging developers bringing stable & interesting apps to the Nokia
> > Store. There is a source of inspiration at
> > http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Apps_Missing
> > http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83333
> >
> > - Encouraging developers to port & develop apps to Qt 5, getting
> > familiar and ready for the next big Qt iteration and providing feedback
> > to the developers at http://qt-project.org &
> > http://wiki.qt-project.org/Qt_5_on_Nokia_N9
> >
> >
> > If needed, a few devices could be invested in side activities related to
> > these tracks:
> >
> > - Improvements in apps infra at maemo.org or the evolution of COBS /
> > apps.formeego.org / etc.
> >
> > - Improvements in Qt 5 support in the N9.
> >
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Ideally Nokia would provide to the community an amount of devices and
> > the infrastructure to deliver them for free to the fortunate developers,
> > using the http://developer.nokia.com infrastructure. The criteria and
> > selection of recipients could be done by the community itself, and I
> > could help wherever needed.
> >
> > If you like the idea we can proceed. A good goal would be to have the
> > recipients defined by the end of May, so we can have all the shipments
> > during the first days of June. The closest we get to July the easier
> > will be to get hit by Summer holidays delays.
> >
> > (*) I can't 100% confirm a number today but let's say 100 N9s and
> > (surprise surprise) the last batch of sealed N950s I know about (just a
> > few units).
> >
> > --
> > Quim
> > _______________________________________________
> > maemo-community mailing list
> > maemo-community@maemo.org
> > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
>
>
>
>