What is the best app to read .doc or .ppt files on N810
What is the best app to read .doc or .ppt files on N810
Re: What is the best app to read .doc or .ppt files on N810
2008-11-14 15:56 UTC
You can *try* Google Docs, although my experience has been less than
satisfactory. Abiword (both the PC and maemo versions) absolutely will
not open any of the Word documents I've tried, in spite of claims that
it will. There doesn't seem to be any interest with Nokia or the maemo
developers to port OpenOffice.org to maemo, so your only hope is to
try booting Debian from SD and using the full OpenOffice.org. I intend
to do that when I get a bigger SD card.
Mark
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 7:02 AM, COURTAUD Didier <didier.courtaud@cea.fr> wrote:
> I receive frequenty such files my email on my tablet.
>
> How can I read them on the tablet ?
>
> DC
satisfactory. Abiword (both the PC and maemo versions) absolutely will
not open any of the Word documents I've tried, in spite of claims that
it will. There doesn't seem to be any interest with Nokia or the maemo
developers to port OpenOffice.org to maemo, so your only hope is to
try booting Debian from SD and using the full OpenOffice.org. I intend
to do that when I get a bigger SD card.
Mark
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 7:02 AM, COURTAUD Didier <didier.courtaud@cea.fr> wrote:
> I receive frequenty such files my email on my tablet.
>
> How can I read them on the tablet ?
>
> DC
Re: What is the best app to read .doc or .ppt files on N810
2008-11-14 17:00 UTC
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:02:03 +0100
COURTAUD Didier <didier.courtaud@cea.fr> wrote:
> I receive frequenty such files my email on my tablet.
>
> How can I read them on the tablet ?
Good Morning,
I use doc reader
<https://garage.maemo.org/projects/docreader/>. Don't know about .ppt
files though. Better would be Abiword, but I've not gotten around to
installing it. I've heard it's very actively under development. Might
try the wiki at ITT?
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COURTAUD Didier <didier.courtaud@cea.fr> wrote:
> I receive frequenty such files my email on my tablet.
>
> How can I read them on the tablet ?
Good Morning,
I use doc reader
<https://garage.maemo.org/projects/docreader/>. Don't know about .ppt
files though. Better would be Abiword, but I've not gotten around to
installing it. I've heard it's very actively under development. Might
try the wiki at ITT?
Best Regards,
--
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Re: What is the best app to read .doc or .ppt files on N810
2008-11-14 18:05 UTC
Mark wrote:
> There doesn't seem to be any interest with Nokia or the maemo
> developers to port OpenOffice.org to maemo
Let's be realistic about what we can expect to run on the N8X0, people.
Porting a fully buzzword compliant office suite to it would be like
trying to shoehorn a Cummins 444 engine in to the rear end of a '69 VW
Beetle. Oh yeah, then there's cross-compiling to ARM which makes it even
more fun. Even older versions don't fit the bill. q.v. the specs req'd
for IBM's revamp of OpenOffice.org 2.X...
System Requirements for OpenOffice.org 3
GNU/Linux ("Linux")
* Linux kernel version 2.4 or higher, glibc2 version 2.3.2 or higher
* 256 Mbytes RAM (512 MB recommended)
* 400 Mbytes available disk space
* X-Server with 1024 x 768 or higher resolution with at least 256
colours
http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/sys_reqs_30.html
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* At least 512MB RAM memory
* Windows installer does not support AMD64 CPU with XP/Vista 64 bit
platforms installed
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> There doesn't seem to be any interest with Nokia or the maemo
> developers to port OpenOffice.org to maemo
Let's be realistic about what we can expect to run on the N8X0, people.
Porting a fully buzzword compliant office suite to it would be like
trying to shoehorn a Cummins 444 engine in to the rear end of a '69 VW
Beetle. Oh yeah, then there's cross-compiling to ARM which makes it even
more fun. Even older versions don't fit the bill. q.v. the specs req'd
for IBM's revamp of OpenOffice.org 2.X...
System Requirements for OpenOffice.org 3
GNU/Linux ("Linux")
* Linux kernel version 2.4 or higher, glibc2 version 2.3.2 or higher
* 256 Mbytes RAM (512 MB recommended)
* 400 Mbytes available disk space
* X-Server with 1024 x 768 or higher resolution with at least 256
colours
http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/sys_reqs_30.html
Lotus Symphony supports platforms for Microsoft Windows and Linux.
Note: Be sure your system meets these client system requirements:
* Supported Windows® platforms: Windows XP, Windows Vista
* Supported Linux platforms: SLED 10, RHEL 5, Ubuntu
* At least 750MB of free disk space on Linux and at least 540MB of
free disk space on Windows
* At least 512MB RAM memory
* Windows installer does not support AMD64 CPU with XP/Vista 64 bit
platforms installed
http://symphony.lotus.com/software/lotus/symphony/help.nsf/GeneralFAQ#5
Re: What is the best app to read .doc or .ppt files on N810
2008-11-14 18:14 UTC
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:05:37 -0800
Gary <gary@eyetraxx.net> wrote:
> Mark wrote:
> > There doesn't seem to be any interest with Nokia or the maemo
> > developers to port OpenOffice.org to maemo
>
> Let's be realistic about what we can expect to run on the N8X0,
I fully agree.
> people. Porting a fully buzzword compliant office suite to it would
> be like trying to shoehorn a Cummins 444 engine in to the rear end of
> a '69 VW Beetle.
Oh but what a picture that paints! Where do you sit?
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Gary <gary@eyetraxx.net> wrote:
> Mark wrote:
> > There doesn't seem to be any interest with Nokia or the maemo
> > developers to port OpenOffice.org to maemo
>
> Let's be realistic about what we can expect to run on the N8X0,
I fully agree.
> people. Porting a fully buzzword compliant office suite to it would
> be like trying to shoehorn a Cummins 444 engine in to the rear end of
> a '69 VW Beetle.
Oh but what a picture that paints! Where do you sit?
--
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Re: What is the best app to read .doc or .ppt files on N810
2008-11-14 18:50 UTC
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Gary <gary@eyetraxx.net> wrote:
> Mark wrote:
>> There doesn't seem to be any interest with Nokia or the maemo
>> developers to port OpenOffice.org to maemo
>
> Let's be realistic about what we can expect to run on the N8X0, people.
> Porting a fully buzzword compliant office suite to it would be like
> trying to shoehorn a Cummins 444 engine in to the rear end of a '69 VW
> Beetle. Oh yeah, then there's cross-compiling to ARM which makes it even
> more fun. Even older versions don't fit the bill. q.v. the specs req'd
> for IBM's revamp of OpenOffice.org 2.X...
>
>
> System Requirements for OpenOffice.org 3
>
> GNU/Linux ("Linux")
>
> * Linux kernel version 2.4 or higher, glibc2 version 2.3.2 or higher
> * 256 Mbytes RAM (512 MB recommended)
> * 400 Mbytes available disk space
> * X-Server with 1024 x 768 or higher resolution with at least 256
> colours
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/sys_reqs_30.html
>
>
...so you're saying they are lying about it working?
http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/easy-deb-chroot/
http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=182861&postcount=60
http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20053
"System requirements" seldom reflect reality. They amount more to
recommendations than absolute requirements. Sure, it may be annoyingly
slow, but I'll take slow over nothing any day. This isn't HD video
editing or HD 3D gaming, either. My primary desktop machine doesn't
really have that much better specs than the ITs, and I'm running the
latest version of OOo. This machine doesn't even play Youtube videos
worth a flip, which my N800 does.
So yeah, it's realistic to expect OOo to run on an IT.
Mark
> Mark wrote:
>> There doesn't seem to be any interest with Nokia or the maemo
>> developers to port OpenOffice.org to maemo
>
> Let's be realistic about what we can expect to run on the N8X0, people.
> Porting a fully buzzword compliant office suite to it would be like
> trying to shoehorn a Cummins 444 engine in to the rear end of a '69 VW
> Beetle. Oh yeah, then there's cross-compiling to ARM which makes it even
> more fun. Even older versions don't fit the bill. q.v. the specs req'd
> for IBM's revamp of OpenOffice.org 2.X...
>
>
> System Requirements for OpenOffice.org 3
>
> GNU/Linux ("Linux")
>
> * Linux kernel version 2.4 or higher, glibc2 version 2.3.2 or higher
> * 256 Mbytes RAM (512 MB recommended)
> * 400 Mbytes available disk space
> * X-Server with 1024 x 768 or higher resolution with at least 256
> colours
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/sys_reqs_30.html
>
>
...so you're saying they are lying about it working?
http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/easy-deb-chroot/
http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=182861&postcount=60
http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20053
"System requirements" seldom reflect reality. They amount more to
recommendations than absolute requirements. Sure, it may be annoyingly
slow, but I'll take slow over nothing any day. This isn't HD video
editing or HD 3D gaming, either. My primary desktop machine doesn't
really have that much better specs than the ITs, and I'm running the
latest version of OOo. This machine doesn't even play Youtube videos
worth a flip, which my N800 does.
So yeah, it's realistic to expect OOo to run on an IT.
Mark
Re: What is the best app to read .doc or .ppt files on N810
2008-11-14 19:06 UTC
YouTube's library of videos are encoded with codecs designed with mobile
streaming in mind (VP6, Sorenson H.263, H.264, MPEG-4 ASP). An office
suite UI built for years for a desktop OS is going to be non-trivial to
re-engineer for the 800 x 480 Hildon UI. However, we eagerly await the
testing of your DEBs if you'd like to get started on it;
http://tools.openoffice.org/dev_docs/buildlinux.html#GetTheSourceCode
I'm not saying it's impossible but it's certainly non-trivial. q.v.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarOffice#History
-Gary
streaming in mind (VP6, Sorenson H.263, H.264, MPEG-4 ASP). An office
suite UI built for years for a desktop OS is going to be non-trivial to
re-engineer for the 800 x 480 Hildon UI. However, we eagerly await the
testing of your DEBs if you'd like to get started on it;
http://tools.openoffice.org/dev_docs/buildlinux.html#GetTheSourceCode
I'm not saying it's impossible but it's certainly non-trivial. q.v.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarOffice#History
-Gary
Re: What is the best app to read .doc or .ppt files on N810
2008-11-14 19:11 UTC
Mark wrote:
> This machine doesn't even play Youtube videos
> worth a flip, which my N800 does.
>
Also, I never looked that closely at the specs but it makes me wonder...
Do the tablets have a dedicated video codec chip? My Nintendo Wii can
play some FLV but seemingly at worse quality and speed than my N800.
q.v. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_Video
> This machine doesn't even play Youtube videos
> worth a flip, which my N800 does.
>
Also, I never looked that closely at the specs but it makes me wonder...
Do the tablets have a dedicated video codec chip? My Nintendo Wii can
play some FLV but seemingly at worse quality and speed than my N800.
q.v. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_Video
Re: What is the best app to read .doc or .ppt files on N810
2008-11-14 19:49 UTC
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Gary <gary@eyetraxx.net> wrote:
> YouTube's library of videos are encoded with codecs designed with mobile
> streaming in mind (VP6, Sorenson H.263, H.264, MPEG-4 ASP). An office
> suite UI built for years for a desktop OS is going to be non-trivial to
> re-engineer for the 800 x 480 Hildon UI. However, we eagerly await the
> testing of your DEBs if you'd like to get started on it;
> http://tools.openoffice.org/dev_docs/buildlinux.html#GetTheSourceCode
>
> I'm not saying it's impossible but it's certainly non-trivial. q.v.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarOffice#History
>
> -Gary
I'm not a developer, but I have programming experience and have
already tried and the tools are just too user-unfriendly. Besides,
it's already been done. There are screenshots here:
http://qole.blogspot.com/2008/10/easy-debian-moves-to-extras-devel.html
The fact that it's "non-trivial" to port is deliberate on Nokia's
part, and is a direct result of the tablets and their OS not being
truly open.
The fundamental problem is Nokia's firm conviction that a proprietary
version of Linux is both good and necessary. What needs to happen is
for Nokia to make maemo compatible with Debian, not the other way
around. It should have been the goal from the beginning. The last
thing the world needs is yet another version of Linux that requires
"porting" to make standard Linux applications work and results in a
boatload of applications that only work on one miniscule family of
machines. The bottom line is that if it requires porting, it's really
not the same OS. Otherwise, a simple recompile for the target hardware
is all that would be required.
Additional work to port the already-armel Debian versions to maemo
would be a waste of time and effort, since they are already working on
Easy Debian. Clearly they were not ported, just recompiled.
Mark
> YouTube's library of videos are encoded with codecs designed with mobile
> streaming in mind (VP6, Sorenson H.263, H.264, MPEG-4 ASP). An office
> suite UI built for years for a desktop OS is going to be non-trivial to
> re-engineer for the 800 x 480 Hildon UI. However, we eagerly await the
> testing of your DEBs if you'd like to get started on it;
> http://tools.openoffice.org/dev_docs/buildlinux.html#GetTheSourceCode
>
> I'm not saying it's impossible but it's certainly non-trivial. q.v.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarOffice#History
>
> -Gary
I'm not a developer, but I have programming experience and have
already tried and the tools are just too user-unfriendly. Besides,
it's already been done. There are screenshots here:
http://qole.blogspot.com/2008/10/easy-debian-moves-to-extras-devel.html
The fact that it's "non-trivial" to port is deliberate on Nokia's
part, and is a direct result of the tablets and their OS not being
truly open.
The fundamental problem is Nokia's firm conviction that a proprietary
version of Linux is both good and necessary. What needs to happen is
for Nokia to make maemo compatible with Debian, not the other way
around. It should have been the goal from the beginning. The last
thing the world needs is yet another version of Linux that requires
"porting" to make standard Linux applications work and results in a
boatload of applications that only work on one miniscule family of
machines. The bottom line is that if it requires porting, it's really
not the same OS. Otherwise, a simple recompile for the target hardware
is all that would be required.
Additional work to port the already-armel Debian versions to maemo
would be a waste of time and effort, since they are already working on
Easy Debian. Clearly they were not ported, just recompiled.
Mark
Re: What is the best app to read .doc or .ppt files on N810
2008-11-14 19:53 UTC
Mark wrote:
> Additional work to port the already-armel Debian versions to maemo
> would be a waste of time and effort, since they are already working on
> Easy Debian. Clearly they were not ported, just recompiled.
>
"You need 1.3 GB free on one of your memory cards (this includes the
built-in 2GB on the N810), although after installing, you will only need
1 GB. You need to keep your expectations reasonable. Big desktop
applications like OpenOffice and Firefox run slowly on the tablet. They
are designed for big, power-hungry CPUs. The N8x0's processor is
comparable to a Pentium II processor. Just imagine running these apps on
your computer from the mid-90s (remember Windows 95?), and you'll get
the idea. But sometimes, you really need something on the tablet that
only these apps can provide, like MS Word compatibility or Java applets."
http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21629
> Additional work to port the already-armel Debian versions to maemo
> would be a waste of time and effort, since they are already working on
> Easy Debian. Clearly they were not ported, just recompiled.
>
"You need 1.3 GB free on one of your memory cards (this includes the
built-in 2GB on the N810), although after installing, you will only need
1 GB. You need to keep your expectations reasonable. Big desktop
applications like OpenOffice and Firefox run slowly on the tablet. They
are designed for big, power-hungry CPUs. The N8x0's processor is
comparable to a Pentium II processor. Just imagine running these apps on
your computer from the mid-90s (remember Windows 95?), and you'll get
the idea. But sometimes, you really need something on the tablet that
only these apps can provide, like MS Word compatibility or Java applets."
http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21629


How can I read them on the tablet ?
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