| qgi1 | hi! | 20:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Howdy, qgi1! | 20:54 |
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| qgi1 | I'm going to protect from changes both Sprint2 and Sprint3 to avoid edit collisions | 20:54 |
| qgi1 | anybody still needing to put anything there? | 20:55 |
| qgi1 | little survey before we start: did you know about this meeting because you found the details first in | 20:57 |
| qgi1 | a) wiki | 20:57 |
| qgi1 | b) mailing list | 20:57 |
| qgi1 | or c) maemo.org events | 20:57 |
| lcuk | d) from irc contact | 20:57 |
| qgi1 | :) | 20:57 |
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| ferenc | hello | 20:57 |
| andre__ | hej hej | 20:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably a) wiki, but I honestly don't recall. | 20:59 |
| XTL | b) mailing list | 20:59 |
| qgi1 | hi there, let's start | 21:00 |
| qgi1 | 26 people! cool | 21:00 |
| dneary | Hi | 21:00 |
| qgi1 | the maemo.org pros seem to be here... | 21:00 |
| qgi1 | Oskari & Henri? any news? | 21:00 |
| dneary | qgi1: As I was saying earlier, I have a lunch appointment in 30 mins, it'd be cool if we could discuss my stuff first | 21:00 |
| qgi1 | very good, actually I wanted to propose to start by people instead of by tasks | 21:01 |
| X-Fade | qgi1: Oskari is/was trying to make it. | 21:01 |
| qgi1 | we will also follow another principle for brevity | 21:01 |
| qgi1 | let's talk about what hasn't been reported already | 21:02 |
| qgi1 | e.g. if a task is DONE and has been reported as such | 21:02 |
| qgi1 | no need to discuss it more unless someone has something to ask | 21:02 |
| qgi1 | ok? | 21:02 |
| qgi1 | so Dave, let's start with your tasks | 21:02 |
| dneary | OK | 21:02 |
| lcuk | bollards | 21:02 |
| lcuk | sorry | 21:02 |
| dneary | So - as I said at the last sprint meeting, this month is conference month for me... I'm in Portland this week, GUADEC 2 weeks ago, LSM in France 3 weeks ago | 21:03 |
| dneary | But, that said... | 21:03 |
| dneary | The Wiki page of the Day campaign started well, but the Bluetooth networking pages seem to have killed it | 21:03 |
| qgi1 | I have been thingking about this and I have a proposal... | 21:04 |
| dneary | A small number of people actually did most of the edits (GA mostly, and myself) | 21:04 |
| qgi1 | let's forget about cleaning the Midgard pages per se | 21:04 |
| Italodance | qgi1 are u a member of maemo? | 21:04 |
| qgi1 | and react on editing pages when someone asks in the lists something that is somehow documentd, or could be documented | 21:04 |
| dneary | Some of them are really bad... the bluetooth networking pages in particular | 21:04 |
| qgi1 | hi, sorry, this time we didn make introduction | 21:04 |
| dneary | OK, I see where you're going | 21:05 |
| dneary | Incrementally improve things | 21:05 |
| Blafasel | Kind of "on demand" fixing? | 21:05 |
| qgi1 | Italodance: i'm acting here as kind of coordinator, facilitator, "customer"... | 21:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, that approach never really worked out on the itT wiki. . . . | 21:05 |
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| dneary | No | 21:05 |
| qgi1 | yes, and not have it as a task-task but as part of the ongoing tasks, like andre__ and guenther have triaging bugs | 21:06 |
| dneary | It doesn't tend to work unless you have something like a task force that makes sure it's taken care of | 21:06 |
| qgi1 | GeneralAntilles: the ITt wiki didn't have a doc master paid by the hour | 21:06 |
| dneary | Or at least one person spending a fair amount of time | 21:06 |
| dneary | Which would be me :) | 21:06 |
| qgi1 | I prefer 4h of Dave working on a hot topic than the same 4h worked on a page that who knows if it's interesting to anybody nowadays | 21:07 |
| qgi1 | anyway, my specifi proposal for today is NOT to move the Midgard wiki task to the next sprint | 21:07 |
| dneary | OK, let's do that... I still like having a wiki page of the day, thought | 21:07 |
| qgi1 | we can discuss further in the list | 21:08 |
| qgi1 | sure, have it on a hot topic on maemo.developers, and you will get more help more easily | 21:08 |
| dneary | Who's who is, as far as I'm concerned, blocking on the "label Nokia people in karma list" | 21:08 |
| qgi1 | ok, moved to next month | 21:08 |
| qgi1 | sprint | 21:08 |
| crashanddie | hey everyone | 21:09 |
| Italodance | :D | 21:09 |
| sp3000 | the involvement I'm sure depends on the topic at hand, it doesn't necessarily reflect badly on the approach if it doesn't get a lot of attention for a particular one | 21:09 |
| Italodance | well i have some talk | 21:09 |
| sp3000 | (re wpotd) | 21:09 |
| qgi1 | dneary: note that in the report you are still saying " Discussion on implementation details pending" and appears white | 21:09 |
| qgi1 | er... guys, let's do something | 21:10 |
| qgi1 | we have a process here | 21:10 |
| Italodance | qgi1 well i i think IT can be successful on the scene of games! | 21:10 |
| qgi1 | we will start cleaning sprint2 and deciding sprint3 | 21:10 |
| lcuk | dneary, i agree with sp3000, i liked seeing people cover a topic and clean it up, even though i might not know anything personally i learnt something new every day | 21:10 |
| qgi1 | if there is something else to discuss, we will, have all the time later | 21:10 |
| Italodance | please take a look to this section too | 21:10 |
| qgi1 | dneary: please continue | 21:10 |
| dneary | Once that bug is fixed, I will be contacting everyone again to ask them to update their profiles, and in parallel I'll be putting Nokia names to components | 21:11 |
| X-Fade | Italodance: Please only talk about the topic at hand. Try to keep it on-topic. | 21:11 |
| qgi1 | fyi what we are doing now is to review the tasks at https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint2 | 21:11 |
| qgi1 | sorry, my fault, I should have explained better at the beginning | 21:11 |
| Italodance | X-Fade sure | 21:11 |
| dneary | Net was list of companies working with maemo | 21:11 |
| dneary | https://wiki.maemo.org/Companies_in_Maemo_development | 21:11 |
| dneary | It needs logos, some description of the wompanies & the work they've done, and review (there are 2 I'm not sure of, and I may have missed someone) | 21:12 |
| qgi1 | see also https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Companies_in_Maemo_development | 21:12 |
| dneary | The 2 I'm not sure of are Movial & CodeThink | 21:12 |
| qgi1 | both in | 21:12 |
| qgi1 | contact them in case of doubt | 21:12 |
| dneary | I don't mind removing myself & Nemein, but we do a lot of stuff for maemo, so... | 21:13 |
| qgi1 | maemo.org, but not Maemo development | 21:13 |
| qgi1 | anyway, we can discuss in the wiki page or the list | 21:13 |
| dneary | OK | 21:13 |
| dneary | Like I said, I don't mind. | 21:13 |
| dneary | maemo.org/intro - pages are in place, outstanding detail is (was?) removing the / from the menu | 21:14 |
| qgi1 | " Just few pages waiting to be moved - links to be added" is then complete? | 21:14 |
| dneary | I couldn't figure out how to do it in Midgard | 21:14 |
| dneary | Yes, the pages are moved | 21:14 |
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| dneary | I'm going to do another run through and add links were appropriate, though | 21:15 |
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| dneary | Next: maemo.org logo selection process | 21:15 |
| dneary | I contacted tigert, didn't get any reply (I think he's a good person to have on there) | 21:16 |
| dneary | I'd like to judge too | 21:16 |
| qgi1 | goes to next month, and you really need to hurry up on this | 21:16 |
| dneary | And I'm eager to get a completely unaffiliated person too | 21:16 |
| dneary | Yes - this is a top priority for me | 21:16 |
| dneary | And perhaps a fourth person | 21:16 |
| dneary | The problem is, as you pointed out, that all of the graphics unaffiliated people have submitted logos | 21:17 |
| Jaffa | dneary: I think you can drop the "previously expressed an opinion" requirement (if it's not been already) | 21:17 |
| dneary | I hope so :) | 21:17 |
| qgi1 | alright, any new task you want to take from the backlog or new/renewed proposals | 21:18 |
| dneary | OK... | 21:18 |
| dneary | Bearing in mind that I have 2 weeks before I'm taking a Summer vacation... | 21:18 |
| qgi1 | https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint3#Backlog and below | 21:18 |
| dneary | Upstream projects | 21:19 |
| dneary | Organising Remarkable Community Projects (although I'm unsure what the finality of that task will be) | 21:19 |
| qgi1 | dneary: can you recover hours in these 2 weks? | 21:20 |
| dneary | I'm full time these 2 weeks | 21:20 |
| qgi1 | I mean, we have got yet another month of about 40% of the committed tasks not completed by the team | 21:20 |
| qgi1 | ok, then they are in | 21:20 |
| dneary | Nothing else on the plate | 21:20 |
| jott | how about doing a pre-selection of the logos, down to 5 to 10 and then do some community based voting? | 21:20 |
| qgi1 | the logo needs to be DECIDED in the next sprint | 21:21 |
| qgi1 | otherwise no merchandising for the Maemo Summit | 21:21 |
| Blafasel | Yeah, for the dresscode.. | 21:21 |
| Blafasel | ;) | 21:21 |
| dneary | I'd like to start some of the "Improving maemo.org" and "Content cleanup" tasks, but be clear that they're going to be spread over at least 3 sprints | 21:21 |
| qgi1 | dneary: you can push tasks at any time, here we commit on those that can be completed during the sprint | 21:21 |
| dneary | qgil: Yes - "pick winning logo" can be owned by me | 21:21 |
| dneary | OK | 21:21 |
| dneary | I'd really like to help out more with the Summit, but I'd be over-committing | 21:22 |
| qgi1 | alright, about the bugs please take some time to go yourself through the MEDIUM bugs and if you find one that you want to take to HIGH please do it now | 21:22 |
| Jaffa | qgi1/dneary: who would be best placed to implement the required feature(s) on maemo.org to allow voting in the council elections? | 21:23 |
| qgi1 | in the meantime we can follow with someone else X-Fade aka Niels? | 21:23 |
| dneary | I still have some GNOME Mobile wrap-up from here & GUADEC to push forward - while it's not paid maemo work, I think it's important enough to spend some time on | 21:23 |
| X-Fade | qgi1: here ;) | 21:23 |
| dneary | OK, thanks all! Can I catch the IRC logs somewhere after the meeting? | 21:23 |
| qgi1 | Jaffa depends on how you want to vote... | 21:23 |
| Blafasel | I can toss it over if you want | 21:23 |
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| qgi1 | Jaffa please email maemo-community - or is it there a bug/proposal in place? | 21:24 |
| qgi1 | dneary: thanks! | 21:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2008-June/000378.html <- voting thread | 21:24 |
| dneary | Jaffa: I know of a couple of e-voting systems... There's always going to be a bit of work to do it | 21:25 |
| Jaffa | qgi1: there's a proposal in the task document. It requires integration with the karma & account systems. I can take it to -community but seems it should be included in this next sprint if possible | 21:25 |
| dneary | Jaffa: If you restart that thread, I'll dig up some links & mail them to the list | 21:25 |
| qgi1 | Jaffa can we talk at the end? | 21:25 |
| Jaffa | qgi1: sure | 21:25 |
| qgi1 | ok thanks, X-Fade go ahead | 21:25 |
| dneary | Bye all! | 21:25 |
| X-Fade | qgil: I'm sorry about the lack of progress updates on my tasks. I was pretty overwhelmed by the bugs/issues and emergency tasks I had to do this Sprint. | 21:25 |
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| X-Fade | Managing the repositories and everything that happened while introducing the diablo repository ate a lot of time. | 21:26 |
| qgi1 | sure, I don't hear anybody complaining :) | 21:26 |
| X-Fade | And other helping people on vacation was not helping either ;) | 21:26 |
| * RST38h would | 21:26 | |
| * rm_you thinks X-Fade did an excellent job | 21:27 | |
| X-Fade | So, it is clear I need help with the Consolidation of Extras task. | 21:27 |
| qgi1 | my lesson is that no task goes to next sprint when saying " Niels must specify what goes in this sprint" :) | 21:28 |
| qgi1 | Niels or whoever, only well defined tasks go to next sprint | 21:28 |
| X-Fade | The lack of response to questions on the mailinglist about things like what to do with .install did scare me a bit. | 21:28 |
| Blafasel | I'm sure that there are quite some volunteers. Announcs that you need help and pick ;) | 21:28 |
| qgi1 | because the rest of things that are important but undefined are anyways done if needed | 21:28 |
| Jaffa | Agreed - we've learnt that at work doing agile stuff too: every task in a timebox/sprint needs a *very* clearly defined deliverable at the start. | 21:28 |
| X-Fade | Most proposals can be worked out in the wiki. Everybody can help out there. | 21:29 |
| X-Fade | But frankly this Extras topic is terribly broad. | 21:29 |
| qgi1 | Then "Consolidation of extras": anything specific going to next sprint? | 21:29 |
| X-Fade | I think I like to split it in to smaller tasks. | 21:29 |
| qgi1 | is this the task? :) | 21:30 |
| X-Fade | Let's put that task for this week ;) | 21:30 |
| qgi1 | look, I will not put anything - and you split the tasks and push whatever you want in this sprint | 21:31 |
| qgi1 | then in the next one you will see if you want to introduce something | 21:31 |
| qgi1 | otherwise we are again at " Niels must specify what goes in this sprint" :) | 21:31 |
| qgi1 | let's not get stuck here: next task? | 21:31 |
| X-Fade | About 'Better extras categories and debtags'. We need to discuss that more, so help with that proposal is needed. | 21:32 |
| qgi1 | moved to next sprint | 21:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think we can dilute the discussion from the lists down into the start of a wiki proposal. | 21:32 |
| X-Fade | I have been diving into the subject some more and now I'm not convinced that debtags will be a solution. | 21:32 |
| X-Fade | So, yeah. To next sprint. | 21:33 |
| qgi1 | "" Extras & maemo.org/downloads integration""? | 21:33 |
| X-Fade | I introduced more integration during this sprint. But need to document it still. | 21:34 |
| qgi1 | committed to next sprint? | 21:34 |
| X-Fade | Yes. | 21:34 |
| qgi1 | anything else from backlog/proposals? | 21:35 |
| X-Fade | No, there are still some enhancement requests in bugzilla I want to take. | 21:35 |
| qgi1 | ok, let's continue then with.. Oskari? | 21:36 |
| X-Fade | And I will probably need to assist when the Task:Fast Server gets implemented. | 21:36 |
| qgi1 | oskari not here | 21:37 |
| X-Fade | NetBlade: ping? | 21:37 |
| qgi1 | andre__: in th meantime... | 21:38 |
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| Blafasel | Whoa.. | 21:38 |
| X-Fade | qgi1: continue, I'll try to notify him. | 21:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgi1 killed andre! | 21:38 |
| qgi1 | guenther: in the meantime... | 21:38 |
| Blafasel | ;) | 21:38 |
| guenther | ;) | 21:38 |
| NetBlade | X-Fade: pong | 21:38 |
| guenther | Got some more bugzilla hacking and cleaning up on my list. Including security / privacy related changes, options, and report features. | 21:38 |
| guenther | The stuff on my personal list for the next few weeks. | 21:39 |
| qgi1 | guenther: "Karsten" is mentioned at " Put the Bugsquad in place" | 21:39 |
| qgi1 | is this completed? | 21:39 |
| guenther | Not yet, we're working on that. | 21:39 |
| guenther | Large parts are done already. | 21:40 |
| qgi1 | committed for next sprint, then? | 21:40 |
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| guenther | yeah, I guess so... | 21:40 |
| qgi1 | also, another thing not to repeat are taks owned by Mr A / Mr B | 21:40 |
| guenther | andre__: Put the bugsquad in place -- committed for next sprint? | 21:40 |
| qgi1 | also to whom belongs ultimately the task, Andre or Karsten? | 21:41 |
| andre__ | yes. | 21:41 |
| guenther | err, both | 21:41 |
| andre__ | we've made some progress, e.g. we got a Triage guide now (need to blog about it) at https://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Triage_guide for triagers. | 21:41 |
| andre__ | Currently working to have better info for bug reporters at https://maemo.org/bugzilla/page.cgi?id=bug-writing.html , see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1288 for an initial version | 21:41 |
| andre__ | kind of both, yes. | 21:41 |
| guenther | qgi1: Most of our tasks are too heavy for a half time position... | 21:42 |
| qgi1 | guenther: sory if I'm stubborned but it would be good to know who exactly can I chase to e.g. report on the task if the information seems to be outdated | 21:42 |
| qgi1 | then the tasks are handles usually by more than one person, no problem | 21:42 |
| andre__ | qgi1, chase me if in doubt :) | 21:42 |
| qgi1 | ok | 21:42 |
| guenther | Same with our plan for the sprint. | 21:42 |
| guenther | andre__: ^^ | 21:42 |
| qgi1 | let's continue with " All components of product Website in good hands" | 21:43 |
| qgi1 | is 95% or DONE? | 21:43 |
| andre__ | "missing only component owners list in this wiki" - what would be a good address for having this wiki page? I'm willing to create it... | 21:43 |
| qgi1 | andre__: just go and do it - now :) | 21:43 |
| andre__ | basically it's done now, we got default assignees assigned to every subcategory | 21:44 |
| andre__ | URL? :-D | 21:44 |
| qgi1 | guys, we (all, including myself) seem to be really good at doing tasks at 90% - please a little more effort to conclude things | 21:44 |
| qgi1 | it feels just so much better | 21:44 |
| andre__ | ok, i'll do something in the next minutes :) | 21:44 |
| qgi1 | "basically it's done" is something we say many times | 21:45 |
| sp3000 | meh, just link to https://bugs.maemo.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=Website | 21:45 |
| sp3000 | done! :P | 21:45 |
| qgi1 | alright, NetBlade | 21:45 |
| andre__ | sp3000, that does not list the default assignees | 21:45 |
| NetBlade | qgi1: yep | 21:45 |
| andre__ | i think that's what qgil has in mind | 21:45 |
| sp3000 | hm? | 21:45 |
| andre__ | sp3000, the guys responsible for each category | 21:46 |
| sp3000 | o,h you have to be logegd in :\ | 21:46 |
| sp3000 | how rude | 21:46 |
| andre__ | oops. right. ok, fixed by definition :-P | 21:46 |
| qgi1 | NetBlade: status of your tasks in this sprint | 21:46 |
| sp3000 | oh well, I suppose it theoretically saves someone some span | 21:46 |
| sp3000 | I'm not sure people without bugzilla accounts have any use for the "who owns what component" information though :) | 21:47 |
| qgi1 | NetBlade: I guess you respond also for Henri's tasks? https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint2#Tasks | 21:47 |
| NetBlade | "Registration and sponsorship for Maemo summit 2008" -> will try ty close bugs tomorrow | 21:47 |
| sp3000 | s/span/spam/ | 21:47 |
| qgi1 | task goes to next sprint... | 21:47 |
| NetBlade | "Forum interface to mailing lists released" -> no idea, bergie didn't tell me anything about this one | 21:48 |
| qgi1 | NetBlade: but it was agreed in the meeting and i n this page during the whole sprint, you could have asked... | 21:48 |
| X-Fade | qgi1: There seems to be no progress on that task this sprint. | 21:48 |
| NetBlade | qgi1: yep, but when I asked bergie about that, he just told that he's going to do it | 21:49 |
| qgi1 | committed to next sprint? | 21:49 |
| qgi1 | also, now there is a "Holidays" field at https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint3 | 21:50 |
| NetBlade | qgi1: hopefully | 21:50 |
| NetBlade | "User profile improvements defined and started" -> Neithan (our new worker) is doing it on internal now, some bugs left | 21:50 |
| qgi1 | please everybody put the relevant info so we don't get the surprises we got in this sprint | 21:50 |
| qgi1 | NetBlade: "hopefully" means yes, otherwise I prefer not to put it | 21:50 |
| qgi1 | NetBlade: webforum in Sprint3 yes or not? | 21:51 |
| NetBlade | qgi1: hopefully means that I first check everything | 21:51 |
| qgi1 | then I won't put it, you can always work on it and complete it anyway | 21:51 |
| qgi1 | about the profiles, what was agreed was "defined and started" | 21:52 |
| qgi1 | then Henri just released without sharing anything | 21:52 |
| qgi1 | and then he went on vacation | 21:52 |
| NetBlade | ok | 21:52 |
| NetBlade | hmm | 21:52 |
| qgi1 | I still don't know whather to be happy or not :) | 21:52 |
| NetBlade | I understand..... | 21:53 |
| NetBlade | well, as soon as Neithan gets the karma table working, we'll send some info to the mailing list | 21:53 |
| qgi1 | it would be good to be able to discuss, see a draft, comment... It's ok if you just go and release if you feel confident... and are there the day after to fix and improve based on feedback | 21:53 |
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| qgi1 | otherwise, Oskari gets the hot potatio | 21:53 |
| NetBlade | and we won't publish anything unless you agree | 21:53 |
| qgi1 | you = maemo-community, it's not even about myself | 21:54 |
| qgi1 | oook :) | 21:54 |
| NetBlade | so, a couple "yes" answers from the mailing list is enough?? | 21:54 |
| NetBlade | by webforum you mean the discussion on the brainstorm? | 21:55 |
| qgi1 | we interface to mailing list | 21:55 |
| qgi1 | web | 21:55 |
| NetBlade | aah | 21:55 |
| NetBlade | that's also something that bergie didn't want to tell me anything before he left | 21:55 |
| qgi1 | there is a beta internal and the task was to make it public and I guess work on it more | 21:56 |
| NetBlade | but, he's coming back on friday and I'll be waiting him early in the morning.... | 21:56 |
| qgi1 | well guys, you will know at Nemein how you get organized... | 21:56 |
| qgi1 | as said, nobody stops you from doing all the things you have in the queue, no matter that they are not committed in the sprint | 21:57 |
| qgi1 | NetBlade: if you want we can discuss on the sprint3 tasks, if you are taking anything else, and then you ar done in the meeting | 21:57 |
| NetBlade | "Defining company and role in profiles" -> this is on the list on friday | 21:57 |
| qgi1 | https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint3#Backlog | 21:57 |
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| qgi1 | and https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint3#Proposals | 21:58 |
| qgi1 | NetBlade: do you know anything about https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:ITt_Collaboration | 21:58 |
| NetBlade | no idea whatsoever | 21:59 |
| qgi1 | ok, well I hope bergie comes fresh from Holidays ;) | 21:59 |
| NetBlade | me to | 21:59 |
| crashanddie | bergie ? | 21:59 |
| qgi1 | Henri Bergius, from Nemin like NetBlade - Oskari Kokko | 22:00 |
| qgi1 | Nemein | 22:00 |
| NetBlade | 'cos I'll be going to a summer camp for two weeks on sunday and bergie is taking over everything | 22:00 |
| qgi1 | :) anything else NetBlade ? | 22:00 |
| NetBlade | no | 22:00 |
| lcuk | NetBlade, ensure the crossover from you to him is smoother. show him how its done | 22:01 |
| qgi1 | thanks!+ | 22:01 |
| NetBlade | lcuk: that's the plan | 22:01 |
| lcuk | :) | 22:01 |
| qgi1 | https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Components_and_packages - I didn't put it as DONE because Soumya wanted still to put the lines of code approx of each component | 22:02 |
| qgi1 | but well, it's DONE | 22:02 |
| qgi1 | it will need some revision and it can look better, but Soumya has extracted the raw data and now other people can work on the spreadsheet | 22:02 |
| qgi1 | and I have been reporting on my tasks, all done | 22:03 |
| qgi1 | (the trick was to have the family away in the whole sprint - they came yesterday and now I will be back to "normal life") | 22:03 |
| ferenc | qgi1: :) | 22:04 |
| X-Fade | Ouch ;) | 22:04 |
| qgi1 | any comments on https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint2#Bugs ? | 22:04 |
| andre__ | qgi1: lies! i saw your girl at guadec! :-P | 22:04 |
| ferenc | qgi1: yes | 22:04 |
| qgi1 | ah, my summer love | 22:04 |
| ferenc | I have two outstanding issues: | 22:04 |
| ferenc | 1. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3280 needs a Midgard or apache expert to debug on-site. | 22:05 |
| ferenc | 2. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3354 can not be reproduced. I believe it was related to DOS attacks. | 22:05 |
| andre__ | 2. => RESOLVED WORKSFORME | 22:05 |
| X-Fade | ferenc: 1. Is being worked on by Piotras. | 22:05 |
| X-Fade | andre__: 2. REOPENED :) | 22:05 |
| andre__ | :) | 22:06 |
| Jaffa | ferenc: DOS attacks on port 22? | 22:06 |
| ferenc | so, fine. if #3280 will be solved by Piotras, then I am happy. | 22:06 |
| guenther | ferenc: *both* of them are "lost connection"s? | 22:06 |
| ferenc | Jaffa: yes. | 22:06 |
| guenther | On unrelated ports? | 22:06 |
| guenther | Hardware / Network issues? | 22:06 |
| X-Fade | guenther: Yes, but the cause is different. | 22:07 |
| ferenc | guenther: no. | 22:07 |
| ferenc | :) | 22:07 |
| qgi1 | guys, it looks like you hav something to comment on the bug - please help there :) | 22:07 |
| X-Fade | guenther: 1. is a segfault in php. | 22:07 |
| ferenc | qgi1: yes, exactly. my words... | 22:07 |
| guenther | eek | 22:07 |
| qgi1 | anything else on Sprint2? | 22:08 |
| qgi1 | oooooooook | 22:08 |
| X-Fade | Bergie added multiple email addresses to profile, but they aren't used for karma yet. | 22:08 |
| ferenc | not from my side. | 22:08 |
| qgi1 | comment there/reopen... | 22:08 |
| qgi1 | guys, we have reviewed Sprint2 in 30' less than last time we reviewed Sprint1 | 22:09 |
| andre__ | maybe our "Getting developers involved" ticket (bug 630) - Like always: In (long-term) progress. I've lately seen more Nokians' activity in Maemo Bugzilla, probably thanks to qgi1 talking to everybody at lunch and convincing them to become more open. ;-) | 22:09 |
| andre__ | I'm probably going to be at Helsinki in August for some meetings and will discuss a few things there, e.g. having a better workflow for enhancement requests. I got a list in my head, need to write it down... | 22:09 |
| andre__ | ...just to complete my Sprint2 list | 22:09 |
| qgi1 | so | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Garage_bug_tracking_in_Bugzilla <- good place for writing. | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oops | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wrong link | 22:10 |
| qgi1 | what I will do now is to move all the pending tasks/bugs to next sprint | 22:10 |
| qgi1 | and I will put all these to RED | 22:10 |
| qgi1 | since they are delayed | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Getting_Nokia_involved_in_Bugzilla | 22:10 |
| qgi1 | you can change the color according to the progress you are doing | 22:10 |
| qgi1 | also, now reporting will be required | 22:10 |
| qgi1 | no reporting - no good | 22:11 |
| qgi1 | of course this goes essentially for those of us getting paid to do our work | 22:11 |
| qgi1 | this is what we agreed during Sprint2 and this is what we will do from now on | 22:11 |
| qgi1 | any comments on this | 22:11 |
| qgi1 | (before we take a little break)? | 22:11 |
| andre__ | sounds good. | 22:11 |
| andre__ | i just have to kick guenther to report more frequently ;-) | 22:12 |
| ferenc | qgi1: i guess you mean: report when something is being done. don't report just for the sake of reporting. | 22:12 |
| * guenther hangs his head in shame | 22:12 | |
| guenther | Will do! | 22:12 |
| qgi1 | ferenc: sure | 22:12 |
| qgi1 | ferenc: also report on the tasks/bugs of the sprint mainly | 22:12 |
| qgi1 | feel free to comment on anything else maemo.org related | 22:12 |
| qgi1 | no need to report on the rest of our lives | 22:13 |
| ferenc | :) | 22:13 |
| X-Fade | For he next sprint we can have live bugreport status in the wiki ;) | 22:13 |
| qgi1 | alright... let's continue with https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint3#Backlog at **:20 | 22:13 |
| ferenc | ok. | 22:14 |
| qgi1 | X-Fade: that would be good, less manual work | 22:14 |
| andre__ | X-Fade, that plugin is cute, man! | 22:14 |
| X-Fade | uhu ;) | 22:14 |
| X-Fade | *ding* *ding* *ding* | 22:21 |
| qgi1 | pong | 22:21 |
| qgi1 | I was updating https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint3#Tasks | 22:21 |
| qgi1 | hehehe | 22:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | So much tomato. | 22:21 |
| qgi1 | let's go first for the backlog, then proposals | 22:22 |
| qgi1 | in fact reflects our tomatic realitic quite well imho | 22:22 |
| qgi1 | dave took 2 tasks from the backlog | 22:22 |
| qgi1 | who wants to take ONE more? | 22:23 |
| ferenc | me :) | 22:23 |
| qgi1 | ferenc: go ahead | 22:23 |
| ferenc | ah, my bad. sorry... i am waiting for the proposals... | 22:23 |
| qgi1 | backlog first | 22:24 |
| marcell1 | qgil: do we know what's up with the new maemo servers? If not I can contact ixonos and ask them | 22:24 |
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| qgi1 | marcell1 !!! I didn't know you were here | 22:25 |
| marcell1 | I dropped in at the middle :) | 22:25 |
| qgi1 | I have no idea, X-Fade or ferenc might know | 22:25 |
| marcell1 | ok, I will ask them tomorrow | 22:25 |
| X-Fade | qgi1: If you assume ..... | 22:25 |
| ferenc | marcell1: Misha had some info, and he left to vacation. | 22:25 |
| qgi1 | X-Fade: I don't | 22:26 |
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| qgi1 | anyway, as we see it's not clear whether we can commit it | 22:26 |
| qgi1 | any in any case is clear to everybody that this is the Priority Number One since... | 22:26 |
| qgi1 | marcell1: you still have some of the 100Days ;) | 22:27 |
| qgi1 | let's not put it in this sprint | 22:27 |
| qgi1 | to avoid another fiasco of no-real-progress thanks to the ISP | 22:27 |
| marcell1 | If for some reason the machines are available, when can Rambo start the installation? | 22:27 |
| ferenc | marcell1: he is also on vacation, i guess two more weeks.. | 22:27 |
| marcell1 | ok | 22:28 |
| qgi1 | about " Introduce license and open/closed status to the list of packages" I propose to take it out | 22:29 |
| qgi1 | since it's mostly complete already | 22:29 |
| qgi1 | not the specific license but yes to open/closed | 22:29 |
| qgi1 | I wonder how relevant is to know all the licenses | 22:29 |
| qgi1 | If someone wants to know... the sources are there to check | 22:29 |
| qgi1 | are you ok with this? | 22:30 |
| ferenc | imho that's fine. | 22:30 |
| qgi1 | GeneralAntilles: this relates to a wiki page you started | 22:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it doesn't particularly bother me. | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | The licenses can be added later if there's a clamor. | 22:31 |
| qgi1 | ok, out then | 22:31 |
| qgi1 | any task from the backlog going to Sprint3 then, apart from those pushed by Dave? | 22:32 |
| qgi1 | alright, let's move to https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint3#.28Re.29New.28ed.29 | 22:32 |
| qgi1 | ferenc: your turn | 22:33 |
| qgi1 | or wait | 22:33 |
| qgi1 | let's follow the order of proposals there | 22:33 |
| ferenc | ok | 22:33 |
| qgi1 | and see if they go to sprint, backlog or reviewed | 22:33 |
| qgi1 | if you have a comment on a task shout quick not to be witing for comments in silent for each proposal | 22:34 |
| qgi1 | Complete the 2010 Agenda community proposal. - Quim Sprint3 | 22:34 |
| qgi1 | as said :) | 22:34 |
| qgi1 | Task:ITt_Collaboration - Henri | 22:34 |
| qgi1 | sadly not in this sprint, but it should go in the backlog = 100Days | 22:35 |
| qgi1 | * [[Task:Improving maemo.org]] - Dave | 22:35 |
| qgi1 | backlog | 22:35 |
| qgi1 | 100days | 22:35 |
| qgi1 | ** [https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3178 Developer documentation portal needs revision] | 22:35 |
| qgi1 | this is one of those bugs that should be a wiki page instead | 22:36 |
| qgi1 | backlog | 22:36 |
| qgi1 | * [[Task:Content Cleanup]] - Dave | 22:36 |
| qgi1 | backlog = 100days | 22:36 |
| qgi1 | * [[Task:Using garage.maemo.org]] - Ferenc | 22:36 |
| ferenc | Describing garage usage. ie. task: https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Using_garage.maemo.org fits nicely to next sprint. I am supposed to document quite a lot of stuff for the internal Nokia team as well. | 22:36 |
| qgi1 | ok to me | 22:37 |
| qgi1 | * Merge relevant content from http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/ - Volunteers needed | 22:37 |
| qgi1 | not someone to push, reviewed | 22:38 |
| qgi1 | * Consider using http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:BugzillaReports -- BugzillaReports generates great looking reports from Bugzilla which you can include in your MediaWiki pages. ''installed, ready for use --[[User:xfade|xfade]] 07:22, 18 July 2008 (UTC)'' | 22:38 |
| qgi1 | so... completed | 22:39 |
| X-Fade | '''done''' | 22:39 |
| qgi1 | * [[Task:Community Council]] - TBC | 22:39 |
| qgi1 | what happens to this one? | 22:39 |
| qgi1 | Jaffa GeneralAntilles | 22:39 |
| * Jaffa is slightly concerned about impartiality if me or GeneralAntilles pushes it and wants to be on the council. | 22:40 | |
| qgi1 | boooooooooooooooooooooooo | 22:40 |
| qgi1 | c'mon guys | 22:40 |
| pupnik | but we want Jaffa and GeneralAntilles | 22:40 |
| andre__ | yesh! | 22:40 |
| qgi1 | it's like not pushing democracy because I want to be elected | 22:40 |
| qgi1 | sprint3, backlog or reviewed? you decide | 22:41 |
| pupnik | How about just getting it over with Jaffa / GeneralAntilles ... if someone has a problem, they can object | 22:41 |
| Jaffa | Will take it to -community: primarily need someone on maemo.org to set up the voting system. Then call for nominees. Then elections. There's not much to do | 22:41 |
| qgi1 | Jaffa: backlog | 22:41 |
| ferenc | Jaffa: I will check on the voting system for Midgard. | 22:41 |
| qgi1 | Jaffa: I need your ok to put it in backlog with you are coordinator | 22:42 |
| qgi1 | as | 22:42 |
| pupnik | <crickets> | 22:42 |
| qgi1 | without ok it will go to reviewed :) | 22:43 |
| qgi1 | let's continue | 22:43 |
| qgi1 | * [https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2495 Package search page] | 22:43 |
| Jaffa | qgi1: If I'm coordinating it, I want it done this sprint if at all possible. That'll be dependent on others, but will see what people say. | 22:43 |
| ferenc | me me :) | 22:43 |
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| Jaffa | Hang on. Can't I think before typing? | 22:43 |
| qgi1 | Jaffa: of, sprint3 | 22:43 |
| qgi1 | ok | 22:43 |
| ferenc | qgi1: I am committed to kick off the package search web UI: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2495 , It is an old dream of mine, in a way... | 22:43 |
| sp3000 | Jaffa: you're new to this interwebs thing ep :P | 22:43 |
| sp3000 | s/ep/eh/ | 22:43 |
| qgi1 | Jaffa: you have the rest of the meeting to decide :) | 22:43 |
| XTL | :) | 22:43 |
| qgi1 | in the meantime we proceed with the rest, unless you want more discussion | 22:44 |
| Jaffa | sp3000: hardly, I'm just typing through a fugue of drugs and a pregnant wife talking to me. | 22:44 |
| Jaffa | qgi1: no, that's fine. | 22:44 |
| qgi1 | I hope you understand, this is how we eat minutes... | 22:44 |
| pupnik | is the package search intended to work like gronmayer? | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Let's hope not. | 22:45 |
| ferenc | pupnik: i will send my ideas to maemo-community | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Extras and Nokia repos only, please. | 22:45 |
| qgi1 | "committed to kick off" means backlog to get started or do you think is sprint3 | 22:45 |
| ferenc | i don't think it can be completed in Sprint3 | 22:45 |
| ferenc | i will start it anyway. | 22:45 |
| qgi1 | ferenc: hopefully you will send a link to a wiki page to maemo-community ;) | 22:45 |
| ferenc | yes | 22:45 |
| qgi1 | ok, backlog | 22:45 |
| Blafasel | ferenc: I'd be glad to help. | 22:46 |
| qgi1 | * [http://maemo.org/community/calendar/ Maemo Community calendar]: [https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2985 beta] finished or killed. | 22:46 |
| ferenc | Blafasel: thanks. i will start a page, send an email, and we can start working. | 22:46 |
| qgi1 | this means to take a decision | 22:46 |
| ferenc | qgi1: this is a tough one. Jerry knew this, but since he left to a new job the task is pending. | 22:46 |
| ferenc | any javascript/ajax guru around? | 22:47 |
| qgi1 | proposing backlog because we need to make a decision | 22:47 |
| qgi1 | at some point | 22:47 |
| crashanddie | ferenc, I'm good, but not a guru | 22:47 |
| ferenc | qgi1: pu the calendar to my name. | 22:47 |
| qgi1 | ok | 22:47 |
| ferenc | i will start a page, send an email and collect ideas and hackers. | 22:47 |
| ferenc | will contact Jerry as well. | 22:48 |
| qgi1 | then we have all these Summit related tasks | 22:48 |
| ferenc | crashanddie: thanks, will be in touch! | 22:48 |
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| qgi1 | those defined as sprint3 to be in the sprint3, the rest ot backlog | 22:48 |
| qgi1 | * [[Task:Publishing_API_docs#Plan|Plan for Publishing API docs]] - Dave? | 22:48 |
| qgi1 | (nice smiley) | 22:49 |
| qgi1 | https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Publishing_API_docs#Plan | 22:49 |
| qgi1 | backlog? | 22:49 |
| qgi1 | ferenc: it would be good to have your input there | 22:49 |
| qgi1 | since you have invested time and brain in the past | 22:49 |
| ferenc | qgi1: okay. | 22:49 |
| qgi1 | backlog then | 22:50 |
| ferenc | let's start a page, and send an other email :) | 22:50 |
| qgi1 | one minute... | 22:50 |
| X-Fade | Timeless has setup http://mxr.maemo.org/ | 22:50 |
| ferenc | will be easy, just have to lookup some old mails. | 22:50 |
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| qgi1 | https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint3 updated, to be polished | 22:52 |
| qgi1 | note that there are Summit tasks that need an owner... | 22:52 |
| qgi1 | i really hope to get some help | 22:52 |
| qgi1 | after making happy so many people ;) | 22:52 |
| qgi1 | bugs | 22:52 |
| qgi1 | let's see | 22:52 |
| qgi1 | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&classification=maemo.org+Website&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&priority=Medium&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=substr | 22:53 |
| qgi1 | 23 candidates to be committed to this sprint | 22:53 |
| X-Fade | qgi1: too long. | 22:53 |
| ferenc | worked for me. | 22:53 |
| ferenc | :) | 22:54 |
| qgi1 | http://tinyurl.com/6y5qbp | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any clues on https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3235 ? | 22:54 |
| * GeneralAntilles is really bored with that orange banner. | 22:54 | |
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| qgi1 | let's do something | 22:55 |
| qgi1 | first let's propose the bugs from that list that YOU propose as HIGH and YOU will fix | 22:55 |
| qgi1 | start posting | 22:55 |
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| ferenc | ferenc: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3235 HIGH | 22:56 |
| ferenc | GeneralAntilles: i will spend time on the bug and fix it in sprint 3. | 22:56 |
| andre__ | then set it to high ;-) | 22:56 |
| marcell1 | I can take https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3465 | 22:57 |
| ferenc | marcell1: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3127 is a request to dns hostmasters, i think. | 22:57 |
| X-Fade | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3432 HIGH, related: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2179 | 22:57 |
| marcell1 | yep, the request was made | 22:58 |
| qgi1 | please make the changes on the bug yourselves | 22:58 |
| qgi1 | andre__ & guenther are you taking any? | 22:59 |
| ferenc | marking HIGH: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3363: we should use the google box for search. | 22:59 |
| andre__ | i've set https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1288 to medium, working on it | 23:00 |
| qgi1 | alright, from 23 to 18 now :) | 23:00 |
| qgi1 | andre__: if it's for this sprint then HIGH please | 23:00 |
| guenther | The only bug related issue in that list. | 23:00 |
| qgi1 | now, change of game | 23:00 |
| andre__ | there's not much bugs against bugzilla currently :) | 23:01 |
| qgi1 | propose ONE bug that you really want to see fixed in this sprint (one pr person) | 23:01 |
| qgi1 | post urls and let's discuss them | 23:01 |
| andre__ | let me take 2365 and 1288 then | 23:01 |
| andre__ | and iirc guenther takes 2463 and 3350? guenther, correct me if i'm wrong :) | 23:02 |
| guenther | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2463 | 23:02 |
| guenther | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3350 | 23:02 |
| guenther | Yes, I'll work on these. | 23:03 |
| qgi1 | er... guys, we are looking at those MEDIUM now | 23:03 |
| qgi1 | do what you want, but all this was part of preparing the current meeting | 23:03 |
| qgi1 | sorry for being such a pain in the ass with the little process we have :) | 23:03 |
| andre__ | heh. well, i *can* try to work on non bug-related stuff, but don't blame me afterwards :-P | 23:04 |
| qgi1 | so for instance, GeneralAntilles wanted really to have one bug fixed, and now ferenc has taken it | 23:04 |
| qgi1 | how many more like these? | 23:04 |
| crashanddie | I can give a few if you really want some :D | 23:04 |
| qgi1 | andre__: I'm only saying that before the sprint you put as MEDIUM those bugs that you think that need to be fixed in the next sprint (that will be put as HIGH) | 23:05 |
| qgi1 | that's all | 23:05 |
| qgi1 | crashanddie: just one | 23:05 |
| qgi1 | (we are down to 14 medium bugs, good, good) | 23:05 |
| andre__ | qgi1, yeah sorry, had two bugs in there but fixed one already today and didn't put one more in | 23:05 |
| andre__ | for the rest i blame guenther ;-) | 23:05 |
| qgi1 | my preferred: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3361 | 23:06 |
| qgi1 | can someone take it or is it henri and only henri? | 23:06 |
| andre__ | i have no clue of such stuff, sorry :-( | 23:07 |
| * guenther nods | 23:07 | |
| crashanddie | hmm | 23:07 |
| X-Fade | qgi1: Refresh ;) | 23:07 |
| crashanddie | Only official members can work on the website right ? | 23:07 |
| qgi1 | nice | 23:08 |
| ferenc | crashanddie: no | 23:08 |
| ferenc | crashanddie: the code is open source ;) | 23:08 |
| crashanddie | oh | 23:08 |
| crashanddie | that changes a lot :-° | 23:08 |
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| qgi1 | crashanddie: what is your preferred bug ? | 23:08 |
| ferenc | has always been like that. but you need to know a lot of midgard internals... | 23:08 |
| qgi1 | and where do you want to help? | 23:08 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: Check the maemo2midgard project on garage. | 23:08 |
| Blafasel | Unrelated, low-prio: Would be nice if someone could be so kind after this meeting and tell the new guys (i.e. me..) how to get up to speed. See crashanddie's remark, that was unclear for me as well. | 23:09 |
| qgi1 | rest of "24 people in room", no preferred bugs? | 23:09 |
| ferenc | qgi1: i have taken quite a few from the original list. | 23:09 |
| ferenc | those all are my favs ;) | 23:09 |
| Blafasel | qgi1: Slowly reading all of those | 23:09 |
| marcell1 | karma plugin for media wiki https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3223 | 23:10 |
| ferenc | qgi1: about https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3361: well.... i guess Bergie could point out the root cause in a minute. | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | +1 on marcell1's | 23:10 |
| qgi1 | Blafasel: you're right - there was a task in the hands of Dave months ago about "documenting the maemo.org development process" | 23:11 |
| marcell1 | GeneralAntilles: you have used up your vote already :) | 23:11 |
| Blafasel | That would be awesome, yes. What's the status_ | 23:11 |
| qgi1 | afair there is little done on that | 23:11 |
| qgi1 | I just write https://wiki.maemo.org/How_to_push_a_maemo.org_task this weekend | 23:11 |
| qgi1 | wrote | 23:11 |
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| Jaffa | marcell1+1 | 23:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | marcell1, I wasn't informed of the rules when I brought the first one up. :P ;) | 23:11 |
| ferenc | qgi1: nice how-to! | 23:12 |
| ferenc | qgi1: let's set https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3361 to high! | 23:13 |
| ferenc | qgi1: i will contact Bergie and get an answer from him, at least. | 23:13 |
| qgi1 | ferenc: this one, then https://wiki.maemo.org/Bugsquad | 23:13 |
| qgi1 | if there would be a similar for Midgard, | 23:13 |
| qgi1 | there is also the MAG page... | 23:13 |
| Blafasel | I'd be interested in https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3452 but it's assigned (Henri?) and the introduction would be helpful.. | 23:14 |
| qgi1 | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemowiki_Action_Group | 23:14 |
| qgi1 | but you rellay need to know, otherwise a newbie won't find that info ever | 23:14 |
| X-Fade | Blafasel: That is an easy fix. That is just because we list only 5 entries per block. | 23:14 |
| Blafasel | X-Fade: I was sure that this is something easy, that's why I say I could do that :) | 23:15 |
| X-Fade | Blafasel: If we remove that limit, it will be fixed. | 23:15 |
| qgi1 | Blafasel: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3452 set to HIGH since it's a bug that bergie left before going on holidays | 23:16 |
| qgi1 | since the task is in sprint3, the related bug is high | 23:16 |
| qgi1 | get yourself CCed to the bug and offer your help to Henri | 23:16 |
| ferenc | qgi1: hmm, just reading this: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemowiki_Action_Group | 23:16 |
| qgi1 | 12 bugs currently in MEDIUM, this is 50% of the candidtes - ok for me | 23:17 |
| ferenc | qgi1: do you or Dave (or anyoone) plan to migrate other services from Midgard to Mediawiki as well? | 23:17 |
| qgi1 | ferenc: what do you mean? | 23:18 |
| qgi1 | "services"? | 23:18 |
| ferenc | like app catalog, planet, calendar etc etc | 23:18 |
| qgi1 | er... no | 23:18 |
| ferenc | social news... | 23:18 |
| crashanddie | that would be counter productive | 23:18 |
| ferenc | ok. | 23:18 |
| qgi1 | how would you do a planet on top mediawiki? | 23:18 |
| ferenc | :) | 23:18 |
| ferenc | qgi1: i just got scared for a second :) | 23:19 |
| qgi1 | I'm not editing everymorning a page after visiting 75 blogs :) | 23:19 |
| ferenc | qgi1: forget it. | 23:19 |
| ferenc | crashanddie: you are right. | 23:19 |
| crashanddie | qgi1, I had that doubt for a second too when I read the first lines of Maemowiki_Action_Group | 23:19 |
| X-Fade | Blafasel: Can you check if your bug is fixed now? :) | 23:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/Midgard to mediawiki/Midgard wiki to mediawiki/ | 23:19 |
| crashanddie | ferenc, so yeah, I understand your question | 23:19 |
| sp3000 | qgi1: careful, if you ask how someone will take it as a challenge :P | 23:19 |
| ferenc | GeneralAntilles: better this way ;) | 23:19 |
| ferenc | qgi1: so now you are happy with the number of bugs? | 23:20 |
| qgi1 | yep | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | corrected. | 23:20 |
| qgi1 | we seem to have everything for sprint3 | 23:20 |
| qgi1 | anything else, comments? | 23:20 |
| Blafasel | X-Fade: Trying to. Damn slow connection to maemo.org.. | 23:20 |
| ferenc | qgi1: tell me the trick of sending away the family for a whole sprint? :) | 23:20 |
| crashanddie | ferenc, disneyworld | 23:20 |
| Blafasel | qgi1: So what happened to the introduction document? Dead? | 23:20 |
| qgi1 | get paivakoti/hindergarten closed, and one of the partners having to work in an office | 23:21 |
| qgi1 | you will se how the other one has little choice but find grandparents elsewhare | 23:21 |
| crashanddie | if I had known I could work on the website all this time along and contribute, I would've... I'm sorry I didn't, really | 23:21 |
| qgi1 | Blafasel: introduction document? | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | To the maemo.org development process. | 23:21 |
| Blafasel | qgi1: "How to get started". Access to the sources, fields of work etc. | 23:22 |
| Blafasel | Thanks, GA. Exactly that | 23:22 |
| qgi1 | ask Dave :) I don't know, at some point I got tired of chasing | 23:22 |
| qgi1 | (not to dav, in general) | 23:22 |
| pupnik | crashanddie: indeed, many IT users haven't grasped that there are many ways they can contribute | 23:22 |
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| Blafasel | Aye, that's the point | 23:23 |
| qgi1 | I'm not active in maemo2midgard either, so I pushed the tasks thing, since I'm familiar with the process | 23:23 |
| crashanddie | pupnik, because it's not evident ? | 23:23 |
| qgi1 | GeneralAntilles pushed the maemowiki thing | 23:23 |
| qgi1 | andre__ & guenther the bugsquad | 23:23 |
| Blafasel | X-Fade: Works, great. | 23:23 |
| Blafasel | X-Fade: Go close the bug ;) | 23:23 |
| crashanddie | I mean, when you go on Developers maemo.org, there's the SDK, maemo API, and stuff like that... But there's isn't a single reference about all the other stuff we can help out with | 23:23 |
| ferenc | crashanddie: check maemo-community for the rest. it was just started recently, | 23:24 |
| Blafasel | That's what I talk about. Helping the community would need some love/introduction for newcomers. | 23:24 |
| ferenc | old mails from maemo2midgard were migrated. | 23:24 |
| qgi1 | you do see " Proposal for http://maemo.org/community/ - see also Bug 3177." at | 23:25 |
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| qgi1 | https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint3#Reviewed | 23:25 |
| ferenc | the work is started from the website, but this new list: maemo-community is meant for topics other than SDK, hard core tablet hacking etc... | 23:25 |
| qgi1 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3177 is just a note-to-self dave put it | 23:25 |
| qgi1 | (with a very descriptive title, btw) | 23:26 |
| X-Fade | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3452 FIXED :) | 23:26 |
| qgi1 | and we just left it to MEDIUM | 23:26 |
| crashanddie | well this should be *high* IMHO | 23:26 |
| Blafasel | X-Fade: Nice | 23:26 |
| qgi1 | so perhaps someone from you wants to take it and push it | 23:26 |
| qgi1 | IMHO too, and I have been also insisting on this | 23:27 |
| ferenc | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3177 : many RSS feeds are available today | 23:27 |
| qgi1 | (but I guess I just insist in too many things) | 23:27 |
| ferenc | let's just collect them. close the bug, put a link to a wiki page. | 23:27 |
| qgi1 | (((which is totally uneffective))) | 23:27 |
| ferenc | shall i take it ? :) | 23:27 |
| ferenc | i will be opening a few wiki pages anyway.... | 23:27 |
| crashanddie | qgi1, trust me, I know the feeling, it's hard to prioritise things down when there's a lot to do... | 23:27 |
| qgi1 | one thing is the bug, another thing is that "rviewed" task that has been around since... last year (Proposal for http://maemo.org/community/ ) | 23:28 |
| Blafasel | qgi1: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Improving_maemo.org / Introduction lists a comment from you: For the next spring there'd be a Nokia guy (Peter) working on that? | 23:28 |
| qgi1 | this is where people like these guys in this room should find all the infor to get involved | 23:28 |
| qgi1 | yes, this was http://maemo.org/intro/ | 23:29 |
| andre__ | just fyi, gnome has a JoinGnome wikipage providing an overview of the fields one could get involved in | 23:30 |
| Blafasel | Okay.. I guess there's no way around bugging some people on #maemo for a helping hand getting started then | 23:30 |
| crashanddie | andre__, that would indeed be a good thing | 23:30 |
| ferenc | Blafasel: sometimes email will work better ;) | 23:30 |
| Blafasel | andre__: That's the right way. Currently the most visible part for me is the developing part (and I suck at python, C) ;) | 23:30 |
| andre__ | http://live.gnome.org/JoinGnome | 23:31 |
| andre__ | maybe it can be an inspiration | 23:31 |
| Blafasel | ferenc: Currently subscribing like hell. | 23:31 |
| ferenc | Blafasel: although X-Fade is doing a great job to monitor #maemo and spread the words to right people. | 23:31 |
| Blafasel | Target aquired.. ;) | 23:31 |
| crashanddie | Blafasel, while you're at it, subscribe me too :P | 23:31 |
| crashanddie | xfade is Niels right ? | 23:32 |
| Blafasel | crashanddie: Uhm? To mailing lists? ;) | 23:32 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: Yep | 23:32 |
| crashanddie | Blafasel, aye | 23:32 |
| ferenc | qgi1: where are we now? | 23:32 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade, remember me to buy you a beer at the Summit | 23:32 |
| Blafasel | crashanddie: I don't know your address? http://maemo.org/community/mailing-lists.html is the way to go here ;) | 23:32 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: Dat is een goed plan. | 23:32 |
| qgi1 | ferenc: in the end of the meeting :) | 23:33 |
| Blafasel | X-Fade: Help me understanding the site and repositories for 3 beers at the summit ;) | 23:33 |
| ferenc | qgi1: i just sensed that ;) | 23:33 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade, heel zeker :) Zonder jouw had ik het nooit gemerkt dat er een probleem was met m'n SSH key, en had ik zeker en vast veel geld verloren :P | 23:33 |
| qgi1 | ok, official end | 23:33 |
| andre__ | hmm. i can understand that, but the rest can't :-P | 23:33 |
| qgi1 | I will rview the sprint pages and de-protect them | 23:33 |
| * sp3000 sounds the klaxon | 23:33 | |
| qgi1 | thanks to everybody! | 23:33 |
| ferenc | thanks! | 23:33 |
| guenther | andre__: I understand that too. | 23:34 |
| qgi1 | also thanks for the visitors, we hope to get you happier | 23:34 |
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