| -!- mode/#maemo-meeting [+v qgi1] by X-Fade | 19:49 | |
| +qgi1 | hey | 19:49 |
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| +andre___ | hej hej | 19:49 |
| +qgi1 | wow, this looks like an important meeting | 19:50 |
| @X-Fade | I guess it is ;) | 19:50 |
| +qgi1 | I was thinking of blocking https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint2 to avoid potential crashes between edits | 19:51 |
| @X-Fade | btw for all people without voice, I can see your messages, but others don't. Please use #maemo for general discussion. | 19:51 |
| +qgi1 | what if I protect it and then I do the secretary work of updating during the discussion | 19:51 |
| @X-Fade | qgi1: Sounds like a good idea. | 19:51 |
| +qgi1 | I'll wait 9 minutes, perhaps there is someone that still needs to update... :) | 19:52 |
| +NetBlade | bergie is on a way to home, so he will be joining us later on | 19:54 |
| +qgi1 | and you are... | 19:55 |
| @X-Fade | NetBlade == Oskari | 19:55 |
| +andre___ | hmm, Karsten's busy with university stuff :-/ | 19:55 |
| +NetBlade | qgi1: Oskari | 19:55 |
| +qgi1 | I thought good students had finished the university stuff this course | 19:56 |
| +andre___ | he asked me to apologize for him | 19:56 |
| +andre___ | hah, good students? :-D | 19:56 |
| +qgi1 | X-Fade: we will start reviewing https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?June2008Sprint&id=106&type=g - worth putting such long URL in the topic? | 19:58 |
| @X-Fade | qgi1: Looks pretty short to me: http://tinyurl.com/5eva3t | 19:58 |
| +qgi1 | hehe | 19:58 |
| +qgi1 | all this smart people around and I'm getting so old... | 19:58 |
| -!- X-Fade changed the topic of #maemo-meeting to: Sprint2 meeting - Monday 30th of June 2008 18:00 UTC - Info: https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint2 - http://tinyurl.com/5eva3t - This channel is moderated, only people with voice (+v) can talk, we will open the dicussion after the status report part. | 20:00 | |
| +andre___ | qgi1: we can't find out in the internet - you can still state that you're a 19yrs old girl chatting with us :-P | 20:00 |
| +qgi1 | https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint2 | 20:00 |
| +qgi1 | it's protected now | 20:00 |
| @X-Fade | Ok, it looks like it is time to start? | 20:00 |
| +ferenc | yes | 20:00 |
| +qgi1 | alright, so welcome to the etc etc | 20:01 |
| +qgi1 | we will start reviewing the June sprint and then we will move to the next sprint aka Sprint2 | 20:01 |
| +qgi1 | (because is the 2 of 5 of the 100 Days action plan | 20:01 |
| +qgi1 | alright | 20:01 |
| +qgi1 | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?June2008Sprint&id=106&type=g | 20:01 |
| +qgi1 | let's start with the first task and so on | 20:02 |
| +qgi1 | you talk | 20:02 |
| +qgi1 | if there is discussion go ahead | 20:02 |
| +qgi1 | if not, the owner of the next task goes ahead | 20:02 |
| @X-Fade | The first part of the API fix is done. | 20:02 |
| @X-Fade | The rest we plan to do when we do a cleanup of legacy code in the downloads section.. | 20:02 |
| +qgi1 | can we "downgrade" this from task to bug, then? | 20:03 |
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| @X-Fade | Basically we use some older functionality that is now better. | 20:03 |
| -!- mode/#maemo-meeting [+v bergie] by X-Fade | 20:03 | |
| @X-Fade | yes, it is actually ;) | 20:03 |
| +qgi1 | "done", then? | 20:03 |
| +bergie | hi, all... sorry for being late... Espoo-Helsinki buses... | 20:04 |
| @X-Fade | Yes, the rest needs to be done clean up. | 20:04 |
| +qgi1 | there was a bug open afair, so no need to move task to sprint2, is that right? | 20:04 |
| +qgi1 | (hi bergie) :) | 20:04 |
| @X-Fade | Correct. | 20:04 |
| +qgi1 | next, then | 20:04 |
| @X-Fade | #2520 | 20:05 |
| +qgi1 | Implement ServerInfraPlan - Marcell is on holidays | 20:05 |
| +qgi1 | X-Fade: do you know anything? | 20:05 |
| @X-Fade | As far as I know this is in the ISP's ballpark. | 20:05 |
| +bergie | qgi1: I heard a rumor the VMware boxes would be available now | 20:05 |
| @X-Fade | I'm not sure if there is a quote already. | 20:05 |
| +bergie | but we haven't yet received the actual request to start the set-up | 20:06 |
| @X-Fade | Or if they are in the provisioning stage. | 20:06 |
| +qgi1 | little birds said last weeks that we could get the infra from the ISP somewhere in July | 20:06 |
| +bergie | the problem is... as we haven't heard about the schedule we haven't been able to book Rambo's time for it yet | 20:06 |
| +qgi1 | ok, hopefully in the next sprint review we will have seen this old item moving forward | 20:06 |
| +ferenc | July? who works in July? :) | 20:06 |
| -!- mode/#maemo-meeting [+v MishaS] by X-Fade | 20:06 | |
| +dneary_busy | hi all | 20:06 |
| +dneary_busy | I'm here | 20:07 |
| @X-Fade | I have added Mikhail Sobolev to the voiced people in the room. | 20:07 |
| +dneary_busy | Although I might have to go and give out to some kids later | 20:07 |
| +qgi1 | MishaS: do you want to say somthing? | 20:07 |
| +bergie | qgi1: so, for that task the blocker is info about server availability | 20:07 |
| -!- dneary_busy is now known as dneary | 20:07 | |
| +MishaS | sorry, yes :) | 20:07 |
| +MishaS | quote was given last week. jarmo was asking to proceed with paperwork. probably, it's in tero's hands at the moment | 20:07 |
| +bergie | Rambo will be back from holiday in early August | 20:08 |
| +bergie | would be great to know if the servers are available by then, and if anything needs to be done about them earlier | 20:08 |
| +MishaS | i hoped to take it in IT teams' hands, but stefano is now on vacation as well. :( | 20:08 |
| +bergie | typical post-Juhannus situation :-) | 20:08 |
| +qgi1 | sounds clear that no real progress is going to happen in Sprint2 | 20:08 |
| +MishaS | stefano left way before juhannus :) | 20:08 |
| +dneary | qgi1: If you think the link is too long, you can use this one: http://tinyurl.com/5eva3t | 20:09 |
| +qgi1 | ok, let's move this back to the backlog | 20:09 |
| +qgi1 | top position | 20:09 |
| +dneary | Oh - X-Fade beat me to it (I'm still catching up) | 20:09 |
| +qgi1 | dneary: your turn | 20:10 |
| +qgi1 | Documenting in maemo.org the web development process. | 20:10 |
| +qgi1 | dneary: | 20:11 |
| +dneary | qgi1: Yup | 20:11 |
| +dneary | I noticed your note: "Sprint planning is described at https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint2 " | 20:11 |
| +qgi1 | do you think the task is complete? | 20:11 |
| +dneary | You've also proposed an alternate development process (Scrum) | 20:12 |
| +dneary | Well, I haven't done anything towards it... | 20:12 |
| +dneary | but I guess it's redundant now that we're in 100Days mode | 20:12 |
| +qgi1 | complete, then? | 20:12 |
| +qgi1 | 1, 2, 3, complete :) | 20:13 |
| +qgi1 | if someone misses anything, comment or file bugs | 20:13 |
| +qgi1 | next | 20:13 |
| +ferenc | yes, that's me | 20:13 |
| +qgi1 | (or not) | 20:14 |
| +ferenc | sorry.. | 20:14 |
| +ferenc | true | 20:14 |
| +qgi1 | improve promotion interface - Niels | 20:14 |
| +qgi1 | X-Fade: | 20:14 |
| +dneary | What do ytou/others think? | 20:14 |
| +dneary | Is there still a need to document how we work better? | 20:14 |
| +dneary | X-Fade: Can everyone see me? | 20:14 |
| +dneary | Hello? | 20:15 |
| +qgi1 | do we have lagggggg? | 20:15 |
| * MishaS . o O (nobody sees dneary...) | 20:15 | |
| @X-Fade | Misha has improved the interface a lot, I have added functionality for pam authentication.. | 20:15 |
| @X-Fade | dneary: you have voice. That is how moderation on irc works ;) | 20:15 |
| +dneary | Hello? | 20:15 |
| +MishaS | dneary, finally :) hello :)) | 20:15 |
| +dneary | I think I lost my router & wifi | 20:16 |
| +MishaS | regarding promotion interface, there was a number of suggestions on the list. | 20:16 |
| @X-Fade | Styling and explanation added. | 20:16 |
| +MishaS | we might consider taking them as "tasks' to the list of things to do. | 20:16 |
| +dneary | Back, I hope | 20:16 |
| +dneary | Ping? | 20:16 |
| +qgi1 | anything you (plural) want to commit for sprint2? | 20:16 |
| +MishaS | dneary, pong? | 20:16 |
| +dneary | Can anyone see this? | 20:16 |
| @X-Fade | Yes, everything done up to now was work towards making it work. | 20:16 |
| +qgi1 | yessss | 20:16 |
| +MishaS | qgi1, i'm a volonteer, i do not want to commit :) | 20:17 |
| +qgi1 | dneary: I bet we are reading everything you write | 20:17 |
| +qgi1 | X-Fade: what should we put in sprint2, then? | 20:17 |
| @X-Fade | qgi1: Improve it some more? :) | 20:17 |
| +dneary | Sorry - Niels is telling me on Jabber that you can all see me :} (I can't see you) | 20:17 |
| +MishaS | x-fade: put links to suggestions people gave on the list? | 20:17 |
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| +qgi1 | "consolidation of..."? X-Fade | 20:18 |
| @X-Fade | qgi1: I will gather request and make a proposal. | 20:18 |
| +qgi1 | ok | 20:18 |
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| @X-Fade | Will have that this week and will plan that. | 20:18 |
| -!- mode/#maemo-meeting [+v dneary] by X-Fade | 20:18 | |
| +dneary | Sorry about that folks :) | 20:18 |
| +qgi1 | good | 20:18 |
| +dneary | Regular service is restored | 20:18 |
| +qgi1 | next, now yer ferenc | 20:19 |
| +MishaS | btw, is this meeting logged? | 20:19 |
| +ferenc | thanks :) | 20:19 |
| @X-Fade | MishaS: Yes, log will be posted. | 20:19 |
| +ferenc | #1309 is still not done. Karsten gave some last minutes comments when we applied his changes to bugs.maemo.org. | 20:19 |
| @X-Fade | Logs will be posted here: http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/ | 20:19 |
| +qgi1 | ferenc: can you post full urls to bugs for convenience please? | 20:20 |
| +ferenc | so, he said that account sync-ing itself would not make much sense, unless we provide a "single login" feature | 20:20 |
| +ferenc | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1309 | 20:20 |
| +qgi1 | thx | 20:20 |
| +qgi1 | what, then? | 20:21 |
| +ferenc | so, we are wondering whether to do something now, or rather prepare for a proper "single sign-on" system that can be then used in all our web services. | 20:21 |
| +qgi1 | full single login was decided to be too much to afford at this point | 20:21 |
| +qgi1 | can we "sacrifice" and keep going without user merging? | 20:21 |
| +qgi1 | (am I the only one thinkling that we have more important problems than this one?) | 20:22 |
| +bergie | BTW, for accounts merge the "multiple emails" feature is importany | 20:22 |
| +ferenc | and now the guys who is charge with bugzilla hacking says that there is no point doing this half baked solution.. | 20:22 |
| +ferenc | this is not the most important problem at all. | 20:22 |
| +ferenc | i would put it low priority and rather study a proper solution for all the web apps we have | 20:22 |
| +ferenc | even the midgard-garage hack is not "proper" | 20:23 |
| +qgi1 | proposal: put "Proper single sign-on" in the proposals list | 20:23 |
| +ferenc | which was pointed out back then by Eero. | 20:23 |
| +ferenc | qgil1: yes, i agree | 20:23 |
| +qgi1 | if someone wants to pick it up and start defining in a wiki page, great | 20:23 |
| +bergie | ferenc: as we saw when broken garage account dump killed half of accounts | 20:23 |
| +qgi1 | if not, it definitely means that is low priority, at least now | 20:23 |
| +ferenc | bergie: exactly. | 20:23 |
| +ferenc | qgil1: ok. | 20:23 |
| +qgi1 | ferenc: you can put low priority in the bug | 20:24 |
| +ferenc | ok | 20:24 |
| +qgi1 | and I will add the proposal to the list | 20:24 |
| +qgi1 | next | 20:24 |
| @X-Fade | That will be me. | 20:25 |
| +qgi1 | (or not) :) | 20:25 |
| +qgi1 | Wiki reorg: dneary | 20:25 |
| +MishaS | please, put http://wiki.maemo.org/SingleSignOn to the list of tasks | 20:25 |
| +dneary | OK | 20:25 |
| +dneary | The wiki transfer is more or less complete | 20:25 |
| +qgi1 | thanks MishaS | 20:25 |
| +MishaS | this way everybody would be able to add small bits and pieces/discuss the things. | 20:25 |
| +dneary | From my point of view, pages remaining in the old wiki which haven't been migrated should be kept indefinitely, but unless someone asks a question that one of the pages answers, we leave them there | 20:26 |
| +dneary | We now have about 50 pages in the new wiki which need "deep cleaning" | 20:26 |
| +qgi1 | sounds good | 20:27 |
| +dneary | I propose to start this week a "clean up a page a day" campaign | 20:27 |
| +qgi1 | can you please write an announcement in maemo.org, so everybody knows | 20:27 |
| +MishaS | dneary, i'd rather put pointers to possibly related pages in the new wiki | 20:27 |
| +qgi1 | about the change of wiki, and update links in the home and sections | 20:27 |
| +dneary | qgil: what do you mean by the home and sections? | 20:28 |
| +qgi1 | mmm I was thinking this just in case someone wants to take part in the wiki--a-day thing or recover a page of the old wiki | 20:28 |
| +qgi1 | maemo.org home and the link to the wiki in community | 20:28 |
| +qgi1 | I don't know if there are more links | 20:28 |
| +qgi1 | (or if we should put an automatic redirect) | 20:28 |
| +dneary | I *think* the links have been taken care of | 20:28 |
| +bergie | qgi1: I fixed links from app catalog in SVN already, but probably style hasn't been synced yet | 20:28 |
| +dneary | They were supposed to be | 20:28 |
| +dneary | And I announced it in my blog, but not on maemo.org | 20:29 |
| +qgi1 | I mean, if I go now to http://maemo.org there is a link to http://maemo.org/community/wiki in the tool bar | 20:29 |
| +dneary | Link's not OK on home page... | 20:29 |
| +dneary | But I'm afraid I don't know how that toolbar is generated | 20:30 |
| +dneary | There's no content in the front page | 20:30 |
| +qgi1 | I think blogs are good, but things like announcing a deprcate wiki, move to new one and campaign to fine tune pages is wirth an official community announcement in maemo.org... but as you see it | 20:30 |
| +bergie | dneary: toolbar comes from site navigation structure, but the wiki topic there can be switched to a n.n.redirector folder | 20:30 |
| +dneary | You're right, it should have gotten more exposure | 20:30 |
| +qgi1 | anyway, the task is completed and you can take care of the final details | 20:31 |
| +qgi1 | no need to move this task to sprint2 | 20:31 |
| +dneary | bergie: You lost me :) | 20:31 |
| +qgi1 | next, X-Fade | 20:31 |
| +dneary | The next task is in Sprint2 already - cleaning up the wiki | 20:31 |
| +qgi1 | ok | 20:31 |
| +bergie | dneary: maybe easiest I do it :-) though... this is covered in regular Midgard user instructions I think | 20:31 |
| @X-Fade | I talked to Marius Vollmer about the Application Manager and ideas brought forward by community members like: https://wiki.maemo.org/User:GeneralAntilles/Improving_the_Application_manager | 20:32 |
| @X-Fade | Marius welcomed a proposal and was willing to give some community members access to the repository. But we need to setup rules for that, so we don't create a mess. | 20:32 |
| @X-Fade | This can be a thing where the community really cooperates. | 20:32 |
| +qgi1 | hope so | 20:33 |
| +qgi1 | what for this sprint, then? | 20:33 |
| @X-Fade | I have lacked time to come up with a good proposal due to the Diablo release. | 20:33 |
| +qgi1 | community proposal agreed? | 20:33 |
| @X-Fade | Yes, let's do that. | 20:33 |
| +qgi1 | could you get help from... the community? | 20:33 |
| +qgi1 | perhaps you don't need to push this further yourself | 20:33 |
| +qgi1 | BTW DO NOT FORGET YOUR OWN HOLIDAYS IN THIS SPRINT WHEN COMMITTING TO TASKS | 20:34 |
| @X-Fade | Sure, GA's page is already a big help. We also need to set the basis for communication and setup some ground rules. | 20:34 |
| +qgi1 | like... would GeneralAntilles like to pick this one up? | 20:34 |
| +qgi1 | GeneralAntilles: say "NO" in 10 seconds if you disagree ;) | 20:34 |
| -!- mode/#maemo-meeting [+v GeneralAntilles] by X-Fade | 20:34 | |
| +qgi1 | pong! | 20:35 |
| +qgi1 | ;) | 20:35 |
| @X-Fade | I guess that is a yes. ;) | 20:35 |
| -!- mode/#maemo-meeting [+v GAN800] by X-Fade | 20:35 | |
| +GAN800 | thumbboard. ;) | 20:35 |
| +GAN800 | I'd be happy to help, but am not interested in leading a push on it. | 20:35 |
| +qgi1 | anyway, I'll put the task and you figure out the details | 20:35 |
| @X-Fade | I will follow up on it.. | 20:35 |
| +qgi1 | X-Fade leads as default, and if he cans he finds another victim? works for me | 20:35 |
| @X-Fade | ok | 20:36 |
| +qgi1 | X-Fade: the next one is yours as well | 20:36 |
| @X-Fade | I have a script ready for updating the version numbers based on the repository. | 20:37 |
| @X-Fade | I need to work out where to move some scripts, but it is 80% done. So I expect to deliver that soon. | 20:37 |
| +qgi1 | soon=Sprint2 | 20:37 |
| @X-Fade | I hope sooner, but sure. | 20:37 |
| +qgi1 | *during* Sprint2, that starts in a couple of hours or less ;) | 20:38 |
| @X-Fade | Yeah, ok. Before end of Sprint 2 ;) | 20:39 |
| +qgi1 | next, Brainstorm site: Investigate how | 20:39 |
| +MishaS | X-fade, have you checked in the script somewhere? | 20:39 |
| +MishaS | like extras-cauldron? | 20:39 |
| +qgi1 | NetBlade: | 20:39 |
| @X-Fade | MishaS: No it is still in our internal testing machine. | 20:39 |
| +MishaS | x-fade, anything prevents the script for being checked in somewhere? :) | 20:40 |
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| @X-Fade | MishaS: No. | 20:40 |
| +MishaS | x-fade, go ahead then :) | 20:41 |
| +qgi1 | ideastorm thing, NetBlade says "'''scheduled for H2'''" - which starts tomorrow but | 20:41 |
| +qgi1 | as said today in the mailing list is not required in the 100Days | 20:41 |
| +MishaS | what this is about? | 20:41 |
| +NetBlade | qgi1: checked the ubuntu-site and looks fairly easy, hopefully I get it done before my holiday | 20:41 |
| +NetBlade | that starts after 2 weeks | 20:42 |
| +bergie | cgi1: we can do it quite soon, but as you marked it as not urgent | 20:42 |
| +qgi1 | well, it is not urgent | 20:42 |
| +NetBlade | I reserved time for that next week | 20:42 |
| +qgi1 | according to the community brainstorm | 20:42 |
| +qgi1 | that put it in the 2010 agenda | 20:42 |
| +qgi1 | in the meantime you have plenty of stuff pending | 20:42 |
| +qgi1 | you = Nemein | 20:42 |
| +qgi1 | so perhaps we can indeed leave this for later | 20:42 |
| +qgi1 | and concentrate in i.e. the ITt integration | 20:43 |
| * MishaS . o O (maybe putting a wiki page about this brainstorm site would help others to understand?...) | 20:43 | |
| +qgi1 | MishaS: fair point | 20:43 |
| +bergie | qgi1: ITt integration is on my list... but I doubt I can do much before GUADEC, and I will stay in Turkey until 24th | 20:43 |
| +qgi1 | yes, yes, I'm only saying that i don't see a reason why to push ideastorm | 20:44 |
| +qgi1 | on the other hand, that thing won't really work before we get Maemo SW product managers in the loop so.... | 20:44 |
| +qgi1 | step one: proposaal defined in wiki page | 20:44 |
| +qgi1 | and I propose that we review in next sprint meeting | 20:45 |
| +qgi1 | if someone do gets bored in this sprint... be my guest | 20:45 |
| +bergie | ok. NetBlade: can you work next week on writing the ideastorm page? | 20:45 |
| +NetBlade | bergie: yep | 20:45 |
| +qgi1 | thanks | 20:46 |
| +qgi1 | next, dneary: Publish a "Who's who in maemo", | 20:46 |
| +dneary | qgil: OK | 20:46 |
| +dneary | I've been waiting for this discussion impatiently :) | 20:46 |
| +dneary | The goals of the who's who list, for me were: | 20:47 |
| +dneary | 1. Give the community a glimpse into the maemo team in Nokia | 20:47 |
| * MishaS has only one goal: keep (unsure) intact :) | 20:47 | |
| +dneary | 2. Allow the Bugmasters to know who to bug about important bugs | 20:47 |
| +qgi1 | 2. is covered imho through the process of dealing with Eric and the internal bugzilla | 20:47 |
| +dneary | It seems like there's some... confusion about the goals | 20:48 |
| +qgi1 | not about the goals, but about the ways to achieve them :) | 20:48 |
| +dneary | My idea for the best way to address the goals was to publish a list of names + roles in the wiki | 20:48 |
| +qgi1 | and my answer was that it is not good to do this for two main reasons | 20:49 |
| +qgi1 | 1. you have to ask to people | 20:49 |
| +qgi1 | because some are active in maemo.org at their own risk e.g MishaS | 20:49 |
| +dneary | I guess that encouraging people to update their maemo.org profile, and having some nice way to list only people affiliated to Nokia would be an alternate solution | 20:49 |
| +andre___ | qgi1, basically right that eric is my contact, but as dneary is collecting this info anyway, we can save some of eric's time ;-) | 20:49 |
| +MishaS | dneary, what's the value of knowing that somebody is affiliated with Nokia? | 20:50 |
| +qgi1 | the problem is that a static list is difficult to create and very difficult to maintain, because people change project, roles and etc every now and then | 20:50 |
| +dneary | MishaS: It's more about knowing roles, IMHO | 20:50 |
| +MishaS | dneary, I am. but what I do is not because I work for Nokia (or despite me working for Nokia :)), it's because I'd like to do something sometimes :) | 20:51 |
| +dneary | And the people who work at Nokia have pretty well defined roles usually | 20:51 |
| @X-Fade | COMMENT: * lbt thinks this should also be linked to the maemo community council (or whatever) and any community roles. | 20:51 |
| +qgi1 | but look, Peter can be the UI contact... for Fremantle, while Mary is in fact that contact for Harmattan | 20:51 |
| +MishaS | dneary, my role is quite simple: keep my work away from Maemo community: they do not intersect at the moment | 20:51 |
| +qgi1 | at the same time | 20:51 |
| +dneary | MishaS: I'm definitely not picking on you :) | 20:51 |
| +MishaS | dneary, thank you :) | 20:52 |
| +dneary | In fact, I had a 3 phase plan: | 20:52 |
| +qgi1 | I think the thing could work the other way round | 20:52 |
| +dneary | 1. Document Nokia people (easy first step) | 20:52 |
| +qgi1 | I see this qgil all the time, or this jarmo, or this kalle, or this... | 20:52 |
| +MishaS | dneary, the descriptions you had are far from being accurate. you'd rather put (unsure) for everybody from your list and ask for updates. | 20:52 |
| +qgi1 | and I have an easy way to know who are these guys and what do they do at Nokia | 20:52 |
| +dneary | 2. Document external contractors (trickier second step, since sometimes there's complete abstraction, other times there isn't and we have a public face) | 20:52 |
| +qgi1 | I go and I check their profile | 20:52 |
| +dneary | 3. Document community contributors | 20:52 |
| +qgi1 | those that don't show up, do it for a reason i.e. busy, working with :::::: stuff etc | 20:52 |
| +qgi1 | 3. Document community contributors karma should highlight them, that was the idea | 20:53 |
| +qgi1 | not perfect, but I guess better than any static list | 20:54 |
| +qgi1 | anyway, let's not get stuck here | 20:54 |
| +dneary | OK - so if we can distill the discussion down: what concrete action are you proposing? | 20:54 |
| +qgi1 | I'm happy discussing this further at the end of this meeting or by mail | 20:54 |
| +dneary | Do we consider that the karma list of people "documents" our community? | 20:54 |
| * MishaS nods to gqi1 | 20:54 | |
| +qgi1 | Highlight nokians in the users list? | 20:55 |
| +dneary | Yes, you're right, it's a bit of a rat-hole | 20:55 |
| * MishaS . o O (there are nokians and there are nokians...) | 20:55 | |
| +dneary | Let's talk later. | 20:55 |
| +qgi1 | later | 20:55 |
| +dneary | I think the problem is I'm just not sure what the goal is, and how to achieve it | 20:55 |
| +qgi1 | later :) | 20:55 |
| +qgi1 | now: Documenting companies involved in maemo development | 20:56 |
| +dneary | OK | 20:56 |
| +dneary | The conclusion we arrived at is that we'd list individuals where that made semse (me, Niels, Andre, Karsten) and companies otherwise | 20:56 |
| +dneary | I have a list, probably partial, to send you | 20:56 |
| +qgi1 | https://wiki.maemo.org/People#Third_Party_Commercial_Developers | 20:57 |
| +qgi1 | also https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_contributions#Collaboration_with_upstream_related_companies | 20:57 |
| +dneary | I could send it directly to a public list, but I prefer you have a glance at it & tell me if there's anyone obvious missing, or anyone on there that shouldn't be for some reason | 20:57 |
| @X-Fade | COMMENT: < Jaffa> When it says "companies involved in maemo development" - is that companies paid to develop Maemo, or companies developing applications for Maemo? | 20:58 |
| +qgi1 | I think if _you_ noticed that a company collaborates with Nokia is because it's not so secret anyway ;) | 20:58 |
| +qgi1 | Jaffa: it can be both | 20:58 |
| +dneary | Thanks | 20:58 |
| +qgi1 | it's just part of "Defining Maemo" and who is around | 20:59 |
| +qgi1 | getting the full list of Nokia subcontractors is tricky but actually it's not needed | 20:59 |
| +dneary | I'm conscious of having less time with GUADEC + OSCon + LSM this sprint cycle, so I'm more or less happy to continue the items already on my plate | 20:59 |
| +qgi1 | what starting with those companies already in the public wiki pages | 21:00 |
| +dneary | Plus one more - "finalising selection criteria for logo contest" - to be added later | 21:00 |
| +qgi1 | and make a nice page in maemo.org with logos an blobs | 21:00 |
| +dneary | ok | 21:00 |
| +qgi1 | ok | 21:00 |
| +qgi1 | then next, Registration and sponsorship for maemo summit | 21:00 |
| +qgi1 | NetBlade: | 21:01 |
| +NetBlade | qgi1: I'm just writing a mail to you about it | 21:01 |
| +bergie | qgi1: it is on internal.m.o for testing | 21:01 |
| +qgi1 | ref "I'm just writing a mail to you about it" | 21:02 |
| +qgi1 | we ahave a problem :) | 21:02 |
| +qgi1 | I keep insisting that you should bring all this to the list and in public | 21:02 |
| +qgi1 | you keep communicating with me only, internally | 21:02 |
| +qgi1 | when in fact everybody in that list or following the wiki page can contribute to this registration | 21:03 |
| +NetBlade | basicly, there is a form that only users with account can use | 21:03 |
| +NetBlade | and they can see who else have registered to that event | 21:03 |
| +bergie | ...and admins have the list of registrars where they can approve sponsorship reqs | 21:03 |
| +qgi1 | I don't know how secure is to post url's to the internal (aka testing) Midgard installation, but at least please send it to the maemo.org crew so they can test as well | 21:04 |
| +bergie | qgi1: internal is protected on firewall level | 21:04 |
| +bergie | and the URLs don't contain any user info | 21:04 |
| +qgi1 | for sprint2 (and in fact for this week, since we have slipped many weeks already) we should have the registration open and working | 21:04 |
| +bergie | (except registration or event GUIDs which are meaningless) | 21:04 |
| +qgi1 | then please share URLs so those with access can test and give feedback, also public in the list | 21:05 |
| +qgi1 | I don't want to be a single bottleneck :) | 21:05 |
| +bergie | here is the admin UI: http://internal.maemo.org/news/events/registrations/event/list_registrations/fbd604c63dc311ddabea99d1d71a19c519c5.html | 21:05 |
| +bergie | unfortunately I can't access it from home either | 21:06 |
| +qgi1 | Good, I will put the task to launch registration in sprint2 - top urgent | 21:06 |
| +qgi1 | NetBlade: anything else? | 21:06 |
| +qgi1 | next: Triage current Maemo bugs with critical severity/high priority | 21:07 |
| +andre___ | ah, me. DONE | 21:07 |
| +NetBlade | qgi1: well, no, actually, just finishing those mails and that's about the mail I'm writing to you | 21:07 |
| +andre___ | blockers, critical and high are all cleaned up and correctly assigned now | 21:07 |
| +qgi1 | NetBlade: thanks | 21:07 |
| +qgi1 | andre___: and "just" for that you (plural) have won a big dose of credibility in da haus | 21:08 |
| +andre___ | oh, really? nice to hear, thanks | 21:08 |
| +qgi1 | next? | 21:09 |
| +qgi1 | * Clean up old non-enhancement bugs...... | 21:09 |
| +qgi1 | andre___: | 21:09 |
| +andre___ | This is in progress. Highest priority is of course triaging new incoming bugs (and now that Diablo is out we get much more new reports), but this will continue and we have already triaged quite a few old bugs | 21:09 |
| +qgi1 | should we put this in the sprint or is it like regular task | 21:10 |
| +qgi1 | I'm not sure if all those regular tasks should be in the sprint, actually | 21:10 |
| +andre___ | Hmm, for me it's aregular ongoing task | 21:10 |
| +andre___ | this is the unpleasant repetitive gruntwork, so to say with Luis Villa's words :-P | 21:10 |
| +qgi1 | better not, so externals can see what are the tasks to get concentrated now? | 21:10 |
| +qgi1 | ok | 21:11 |
| +andre___ | if in doubt keep it for the sake of transparency :-) | 21:11 |
| +qgi1 | well, for transparency you have (next point) Come up with a Triage Guide | 21:11 |
| +andre___ | hehe | 21:11 |
| +qgi1 | which is about the "unpleasant repetitive gruntwork" | 21:11 |
| +andre___ | That item has not yet started. Definitely on our list for the next 14 days. | 21:11 |
| +MishaS | (sorry, /me has to go... | 21:11 |
| +MishaS | see you | 21:11 |
| -!- MishaS [n=MishaS@a91-154-120-151.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["gone for good"] | 21:11 | |
| +qgi1 | thanks MishaS ! | 21:12 |
| +qgi1 | hehe | 21:12 |
| +qgi1 | ok, so this goes for sprint2 | 21:12 |
| +qgi1 | next | 21:12 |
| +qgi1 | usability enhancement... | 21:12 |
| +andre___ | This is in progress, entirely Karsten's business so far. Most important enhancements are done, reporting tools and e.g. colored quoting in bug reports pending. Karsten blogged about the finished parts a few days ago, and received positive feedback | 21:13 |
| +qgi1 | "reporting tools pending" do you know if this is something to b completed in one sprint? | 21:13 |
| +qgi1 | or I can just put placeholder and then Karsten can edit later on | 21:14 |
| +andre___ | hmm. good question, don't know *exactly* how much of the work is done | 21:14 |
| +qgi1 | ok, placeholder and he will conclude | 21:14 |
| +andre___ | yeah, let's have karsten editing this, he knows much better | 21:14 |
| +qgi1 | next, bergie - forum interface | 21:14 |
| +qgi1 | bergie: | 21:15 |
| @X-Fade | qgi1: I think he is away, please continue.. | 21:16 |
| +bergie | qgi1: we still need to reimport all emails. I need the mbox files | 21:16 |
| @X-Fade | Ah ;) | 21:16 |
| +ferenc | bergie: you can get them. | 21:16 |
| +qgi1 | what has been done this sprint? | 21:16 |
| @X-Fade | bergie: We can give you those. | 21:16 |
| +bergie | the problem is mailman config was changed at some point and the importer has only the list signature instead of message content in the forum :-( | 21:17 |
| +qgi1 | can be complted in sprint2? | 21:17 |
| +bergie | yes | 21:17 |
| +qgi1 | ok | 21:17 |
| +bergie | the forums are there and operational, only if we got the contents in | 21:17 |
| +qgi1 | can we open them so others can test? | 21:18 |
| +bergie | sure | 21:18 |
| +qgi1 | let's do that, then | 21:18 |
| +qgi1 | next | 21:18 |
| +qgi1 | User profile improvements defined and started | 21:18 |
| +bergie | qgi1: I redesigned the user profile page structure but didn't do the HTMLs yet | 21:19 |
| +qgi1 | can you share any mockup or something? | 21:19 |
| +qgi1 | this is imo another case where work could be done more in the open if only to know that you are working on this | 21:20 |
| +bergie | true | 21:20 |
| +bergie | I wanted to announce something a bit more "clickable" but I can publish the mock-up, sure | 21:21 |
| +qgi1 | thanks | 21:21 |
| +qgi1 | next? | 21:21 |
| +qgi1 | ferenc: | 21:22 |
| +qgi1 | maemo2midgard list and wiki | 21:22 |
| +ferenc | the old list will end its life today | 21:22 |
| +ferenc | as i mailed you the big rehearsal of the import was tested. | 21:23 |
| +ferenc | i will close the list soon after this meeting, let's say 1200 Finnish time | 21:23 |
| +ferenc | then do the import and mail everyone to get used to the new address. | 21:23 |
| +ferenc | the wiki pages have not been imported at all. | 21:23 |
| +qgi1 | do you need to import them? | 21:24 |
| +ferenc | copy paste | 21:24 |
| +qgi1 | I mean, people can import whatever is useful | 21:24 |
| +ferenc | some of them would make sense | 21:24 |
| +ferenc | well, fine... | 21:24 |
| +ferenc | the old wiki will not go away either. | 21:24 |
| +ferenc | we should just stop using it. | 21:24 |
| +qgi1 | yeah | 21:24 |
| +bergie | cgi1: sorry to jump around, but... about the lists | 21:24 |
| +dneary | Will you post one final "this list is dead" message before closing it? | 21:24 |
| +qgi1 | and if anybody misses anything then he can do the copy paste | 21:25 |
| +bergie | I was just reminded that Rambo has requested "lurker" email addresses from Nokia (old ones were in our nemein.com mail server) but AFAIK hasn't gotten them | 21:25 |
| +ferenc | dneary: i already posted an indication of that, but yes, i will send an other email too. | 21:25 |
| +qgi1 | bergie: ??? | 21:25 |
| +bergie | we need an IMAP box that is subscribed to a list (one per list) | 21:25 |
| +ferenc | bergie: let's talk about that offline | 21:25 |
| +bergie | ok | 21:25 |
| @X-Fade | bergie: Let's settle that off-irc. | 21:26 |
| +bergie | sure... that is just a blocker Scrum-wise :-) | 21:26 |
| +ferenc | qgi1: got my update? | 21:26 |
| +qgi1 | ferenc: ? | 21:26 |
| +qgi1 | what where | 21:26 |
| +ferenc | i am i am done, so you can call the next victim | 21:27 |
| +ferenc | i mean... sorry.. | 21:27 |
| +qgi1 | ok, so we can consider this task complete and you will complete it right after the meeting | 21:27 |
| +ferenc | yes | 21:27 |
| +qgi1 | next, I start | 21:27 |
| +qgi1 | Clean up the Intro section - Peter | 21:27 |
| +qgi1 | so peter did the work in the wiki | 21:27 |
| +qgi1 | and dave started moving the stuff to intro (thanks!) | 21:28 |
| +dneary | Yeah | 21:28 |
| +dneary | It's extremely frustrating at the moment though | 21:28 |
| +dneary | Midgard is soooo slooow | 21:28 |
| +dneary | (don't mean to pick on bergie, but...) | 21:29 |
| @X-Fade | dneary: No, it is the server. | 21:29 |
| +ferenc | dneary:never forget that box runs other systems as well. | 21:29 |
| +dneary | From what I've heard, it's staying up, which is an improvement over the last release :) | 21:29 |
| +dneary | ferenc: Indeed, and I have the impression that MediaWiki has added quite some load | 21:29 |
| +ferenc | dneary: improvement suggestions on system configuration are more than welcome! | 21:29 |
| +qgi1 | ok | 21:30 |
| +dneary | ferenc: I'm just saying that when I try to connect to a https link it's painful | 21:30 |
| +qgi1 | this has to do with the server infra upgrade discussed at the beginning | 21:30 |
| +qgi1 | next | 21:30 |
| +qgi1 | Wiki reorg/100 days: Review all pages migrated to the new wiki, no pages remaining in Category:Midgard article by the end of the month | 21:30 |
| +dneary | Anyway, I will struggle on :) | 21:30 |
| +dneary | This was already discussed | 21:31 |
| +dneary | This is the "clean community docs in wiki" bug | 21:31 |
| +qgi1 | next is https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101 ]: Propose initial sets of official documents to migrate | 21:31 |
| +dneary | I've been talking to the Nokia documentation team about permission structures & importing material | 21:32 |
| +dneary | We're going to do a test run on one package, I believe they're ready to do it this week | 21:32 |
| +dneary | html2wiki wasn't quite up to the task... a lot of re-editing to be done | 21:32 |
| +dneary | But I think the ball for this is in Nokia's court now? There's a plan to wiki-ise the official 4.1 docs, no? | 21:33 |
| +qgi1 | sorry to ask but... who is Nokia documentation team? | 21:33 |
| +ferenc | qgi1: great question, thanks! | 21:34 |
| +qgi1 | I mean, I need names to know | 21:34 |
| +dneary | OK - it's the people you sent to me :) | 21:35 |
| +qgi1 | I'm not sure :), we are mikxing two topics | 21:35 |
| +dneary | Let me search for name... | 21:35 |
| +qgi1 | anyway, you saw my email in the list this afternoon about taks coming from Nokia | 21:35 |
| +dneary | Olli & Quanyi | 21:35 |
| +qgi1 | about https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101 I think you are done and you can reassign to Jarmo Tikka since the wiki-fication is on his basket now | 21:36 |
| +dneary | That's what I thought | 21:36 |
| +qgi1 | about these two, please add me in the CC | 21:36 |
| @X-Fade | COMMENT: < lbt> is this a one-off or will wiki be an output for future docs? and how will comments get back into the docs? | 21:36 |
| +qgi1 | I think there is some misunderstanding | 21:36 |
| +dneary | Perhaps... | 21:37 |
| +qgi1 | lbt, see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101#c14 and c15 | 21:37 |
| +qgi1 | ok, the thing is that you can pass the bug and this goes out of the sprint+backlog in the maemo.org work | 21:38 |
| +qgi1 | next? | 21:38 |
| +qgi1 | ooookk | 21:39 |
| +qgi1 | I think we are done with the tasks | 21:39 |
| +qgi1 | I propose we make a little break | 21:39 |
| +qgi1 | 10 mins | 21:39 |
| +ferenc | yes... agree | 21:39 |
| +qgi1 | 22:50? | 21:39 |
| +qgi1 | or **:50 | 21:39 |
| * andre___ throws a round of virtual cigarettes | 21:39 | |
| +qgi1 | ooook, we will continue with the new tasks | 21:40 |
| +dneary | OK - in 10 mins | 21:41 |
| +dneary | Or Marcel of BlueZ? | 21:46 |
| +dneary | Oops | 21:46 |
| +qgi1 | toc toc | 21:50 |
| +qgi1 | right | 21:50 |
| +qgi1 | while you arrive | 21:50 |
| +qgi1 | we have spent 1h40 reviewing the last sprint | 21:51 |
| +qgi1 | and now we have https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint2#Old_tasks | 21:51 |
| +qgi1 | + your comments about progress in the garage wiki page + here in the irc log | 21:51 |
| +qgi1 | if everybody does the homework properly we might have this done in 45' easily | 21:52 |
| +qgi1 | properly means before the meeting :) | 21:52 |
| +qgi1 | are you there now? :) | 21:52 |
| +ferenc | so you were just expecting: done or not done type of answers/updates? | 21:52 |
| @X-Fade | Sure. | 21:52 |
| +ferenc | if yes, then let's just do that next time. | 21:53 |
| +qgi1 | no, updates as extensive as you have give them, just written in advance | 21:53 |
| +ferenc | aha, ok. | 21:53 |
| +qgi1 | https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint2#Backlog needs some cleaning but there we go | 21:54 |
| +qgi1 | andre___: Start nagging developers on urgent issues | 21:54 |
| +ferenc | i still used the old wiki page for status update. | 21:54 |
| +qgi1 | fere | 21:54 |
| +qgi1 | ferenc: sure, and that is the right thig to do | 21:54 |
| +ferenc | ok, let's continue. | 21:55 |
| +andre___ | As we can't change the way the Nokia developers work from one day to another, we currently copy reports to the internal bug tracking system. So there's not much progress yet **in public**, however so far I'm content with the bug handling of our forwarded bug reports in the internal system. And there have been quite some good reports in Maemo Bugzilla of course. Big thanks to our users here. :-) | 21:55 |
| +qgi1 | in fact I spent some time moving dneary PROGRESS comments | 21:55 |
| +andre___ | To long-term answer this item, together with tickets #10 and #11 from the backlog: | 21:55 |
| +qgi1 | from sprint2 to the sprint1/June page | 21:55 |
| +andre___ | To really effectively improve this, it needs some discussions to work out, e.g. involving also the product managers (currently only error managers) and convince devs to partially change the way they are currently working (means: also act in Maemo Bugzilla, not only in the internal system). | 21:55 |
| +andre___ | We definitely expect improvements in the next months, and I'm happy to see that a few Nokia developers already act in Nokia Bugzilla and support us in asking "useful" questions to get better feedback. Anyway, that's why it is in the backlog, it's a long term project. :-) | 21:55 |
| +dneary | qgi1: Ah - sorry, I misunderstood things | 21:55 |
| +andre___ | (writing answers in advance saves time, oh yeah. :-) | 21:55 |
| +qgi1 | just to make it clear: | 21:55 |
| +ferenc | andre___: very good example :) | 21:55 |
| +qgi1 | sprint1 page needs to end up having all the information on what happened in that sprint | 21:56 |
| +dneary | I had understood "completed actions in old page, anything incomplete/carried over to the new page" | 21:56 |
| +qgi1 | all progress is reported in the page of the sprint where the progress was done :) | 21:56 |
| +qgi1 | makes sense | 21:56 |
| +qgi1 | Sprint2 page will accumulat info on all the progress we do during this sprint | 21:57 |
| +qgi1 | sprint3 shouldn't contain progress on sprint2 and etc | 21:57 |
| +qgi1 | ok? | 21:57 |
| +dneary | Got it | 21:57 |
| +qgi1 | andre___: is this a task to put in a sprint or one of those regular things to do? | 21:57 |
| +andre___ | definitely regular | 21:58 |
| +qgi1 | anyway, July is not the best month to do any progress with Nokia internals, so... | 21:58 |
| +andre___ | definitely ;-) | 21:58 |
| +qgi1 | at least not in the Helsinki offices :) | 21:58 |
| +dneary | In France it's August :) | 21:59 |
| +dneary | Want to know when the maemo team is taking holidays? | 21:59 |
| +qgi1 | in Maemo SW 50% are finns 50% rest of the worls (aka august) so... | 21:59 |
| +dneary | Should we mail the lists with this type of stuff? | 21:59 |
| +qgi1 | lists no, but wiki why not | 21:59 |
| * dneary is gone the last two weeks of August on holiday | 21:59 | |
| +qgi1 | it would be useful to know when we are having holidays | 21:59 |
| +qgi1 | wiki | 21:59 |
| +qgi1 | :) | 21:59 |
| +qgi1 | ok | 22:00 |
| +qgi1 | Define maemo.org policies for things like editbugs dneary | 22:00 |
| +dneary | Add in GUADEC + OSCon, I'll be losing a month's work time over the next 2 months | 22:00 |
| +dneary | That's not been at the top of my TODO list | 22:00 |
| +dneary | My policy would be "publish the address where people should ask for permissions, and give them to everyone who asks (within reason) | 22:01 |
| +dneary | " | 22:01 |
| +qgi1 | it's one of the things the community can push if they feel like doing so | 22:01 |
| +dneary | ie. The GNOME policy | 22:01 |
| +qgi1 | in order to have a clean backlog I propose to move to Proposals those tasks that have no clear explanation, nor a clear priority | 22:02 |
| +dneary | I think it's important to have some document of community policies like this - for sure editbugs is the least important, svn commit access is probably the most important | 22:02 |
| +andre___ | dneary: does GNOME have a policy for this? :-D Normally developers and triagers just ping in #bugs for permissions | 22:02 |
| +ferenc | qgi1: yes, i agree | 22:02 |
| +dneary | andre___: There's a process on the bugsquad page in lgo, "send an email to bugmaster@" | 22:03 |
| +qgi1 | Proposal for http://maemo.org/community/ | 22:03 |
| +andre___ | ah. nice :-D That's probably the official way, yes. | 22:03 |
| +qgi1 | looks like going to "Proposals" :) | 22:03 |
| +dneary | Ah - it's actually in the Triaging FAQ | 22:04 |
| +qgi1 | "# Documenting better Nokia contributions to open source projects" | 22:05 |
| +andre___ | yeah, we want a Triage Guide too | 22:05 |
| +qgi1 | it's in the backlog, and in fact I was proposing it again, hum... | 22:05 |
| +dneary | qgil: You've started the page in the wiki | 22:05 |
| +qgi1 | [[Task:Maemo_contributions]] to open source projects - Quim - Proposed for Sprint5 | 22:05 |
| +dneary | I can drive that a bit, but not before September | 22:05 |
| +qgi1 | so not for now | 22:05 |
| +dneary | We think alike | 22:06 |
| +qgi1 | this is part of 100Days | 22:06 |
| +qgi1 | "Karma plugin for MediaWiki?." | 22:06 |
| +qgi1 | proposals? | 22:06 |
| +qgi1 | "News archives improved." bergie | 22:07 |
| +dneary | It's only important if karma means something | 22:07 |
| +bergie | that was in H2 plans | 22:07 |
| +qgi1 | not this sprint | 22:07 |
| +dneary | And we seem to be heading for a situation where karma's important | 22:07 |
| +bergie | dneary: karma is an activity counter... and yeah, it has a meaning in things like developer device programs and maemo summits | 22:08 |
| +qgi1 | dneary: but wiki karma is tricky, as discussed in the past in the mailing list, so n o hurries | 22:08 |
| +dneary | bergie: And now maemo.org council elections | 22:08 |
| +bergie | ah, true | 22:08 |
| +dneary | I know | 22:08 |
| +dneary | I think a log rule works best | 22:08 |
| +qgi1 | anyway not crucial, I'd say | 22:09 |
| +dneary | sure | 22:09 |
| +qgi1 | getting 50 karma points is really easy if you do follow anything and do something apart from lurking, no matter what | 22:09 |
| +qgi1 | much more important is the ITt thing | 22:09 |
| +qgi1 | in terms of karma, i mean | 22:09 |
| +qgi1 | bergie: News archives improved. | 22:10 |
| +qgi1 | not this sprint? | 22:10 |
| +bergie | qgi1: I think not... I have only 1.5 weeks available this July... early August would be better | 22:10 |
| +qgi1 | anyway, it will go out of the backlog for not being documented anywhere (50% my fault) | 22:11 |
| +qgi1 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2179 Bug 2179 aka Karma for applications | 22:11 |
| +qgi1 | X-Fade: | 22:12 |
| @X-Fade | This can be done in multiple ways, but I don't think I can do that in Sprint2. | 22:12 |
| +bergie | qgi1: yeah, Aug/Sep I think | 22:12 |
| +qgi1 | ok, not urgent either | 22:12 |
| +qgi1 | # Porting developer.gnome.org to handle API documentation | 22:13 |
| +qgi1 | moved to proposals since there is a lot of juice behind this nice statement | 22:13 |
| +qgi1 | Start collecting product specific standard "need more info" questions to improve..... andre___ | 22:13 |
| +andre___ | This takes some time, of course. It's about collecting knowledge at https://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Stock_answers . To explain how we work: If I don't know how to improve a bug, I currently mostly search in ITT or in old bug reports, or sometimes contact developers directly to find out what to ask for, if I already know who to ask. | 22:14 |
| +andre___ | We want good and quality reports before a developer spends time to look at them, that's what triaging is about. | 22:14 |
| +andre___ | GAN800, timeless, Eero and others have been really helpful here so far, really thanks, guys! | 22:14 |
| +qgi1 | can this be condered part of Bug Squad thingy? | 22:14 |
| +andre___ | yes | 22:14 |
| +qgi1 | ok, out | 22:14 |
| +dneary | qgi1: For the dgo/lgo thing, I had the impression that was under maemo 2010, rather than 100Days | 22:15 |
| +qgi1 | this is the backlog | 22:15 |
| +qgi1 | it should anything until 2200 or something ;) | 22:15 |
| +qgi1 | then we commit what we commit for the next sprint | 22:15 |
| +dneary | ah, i c. | 22:16 |
| +qgi1 | assign all open bugs to correct default assignees... andre___ | 22:16 |
| +qgi1 | ongoing/regular task? | 22:16 |
| +andre___ | already answered before ^^ (22:55) | 22:17 |
| +qgi1 | you rule man | 22:17 |
| +andre___ | definitely takes some time to sort that out | 22:17 |
| +qgi1 | ok, we have a quite clean https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint2#Backlog ... | 22:17 |
| +qgi1 | not for a long time | 22:17 |
| +qgi1 | now we will go trhough the new proposals | 22:17 |
| +qgi1 | and see which ones are ready to go to the backlog or the current sprint | 22:18 |
| +qgi1 | if in the backlog, in which position approx | 22:18 |
| +qgi1 | Official review of Task:Maemo brand, a task that is in fact completed - Quim - Proposed for Sprint2 | 22:18 |
| +qgi1 | well, it wasn't planned but then I saw that summer was coming | 22:18 |
| +qgi1 | and any relevant decision was either made in june or then september, at least inside nokia | 22:19 |
| +qgi1 | this is why I started and almost completed | 22:19 |
| +qgi1 | this is just for formal review, since I have got feedback basically only from GeneralAntilles and few more (thanks!) | 22:19 |
| +qgi1 | Improvements on [[Task:Sprint progress]], or at least progress reporting. - Quim - Proposed for Sprint2 | 22:20 |
| +dneary | Suggestion: daily reports seems too frequent to me | 22:20 |
| +qgi1 | did you have a chance to look at https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Sprint_progress | 22:20 |
| +qgi1 | well, most of us are paid to work part time or more | 22:21 |
| +ferenc | yes, i did. i agree to the proposal, let's try it out. | 22:21 |
| +dneary | In fact, I think it might have the opposite effect of the one desired - seeing daily reports go by will give people outside of the people paid by Nokia the impression that tasks are only open to those paid by Nokia | 22:21 |
| +qgi1 | if you do work every day part time, then doing a brief update of 2/sentences won't hurt | 22:21 |
| @X-Fade | dneary: It is just microreports. Like jaiku ;) | 22:21 |
| +qgi1 | if you opt for working just some days a wekk, do the update then | 22:21 |
| +dneary | I understand :) | 22:21 |
| +qgi1 | if you disappear 10 days and then work 35ha day the rest of the month... | 22:21 |
| +dneary | Reports go to maemo-community? | 22:22 |
| +qgi1 | when I say 2/3 sentence I do mean that | 22:22 |
| +qgi1 | to the wiki | 22:22 |
| +dneary | to the sprint page? | 22:22 |
| +qgi1 | "Instead, it's easy to update (ideally daily) your status in a wiki page by telling in 3 sentences:" | 22:22 |
| +qgi1 | we can have a subpage just for that | 22:23 |
| +dneary | OK, let's try it | 22:23 |
| +qgi1 | "will give people outside of the people paid by Nokia the impression that tasks are only open to those paid by Nokia" | 22:23 |
| +qgi1 | excepts that all those taks are handled in pages saying "Add yourself if you are interested." and things like that | 22:24 |
| +dneary | qgil: I'm thinking back to a situation I've seen before | 22:24 |
| +dneary | Weekly reports were required on a project I was working on, and employees sent their weekly reports religiously | 22:24 |
| +dneary | Anything which got included in those weekly reports as "working on..." | 22:24 |
| +dneary | never got worked on by anyone else | 22:25 |
| +qgi1 | what I have seen is 6 months (at least) of lack of visibility on what is people doing, leading easily to delays and less work/progress than expected in the previous sprint by anybody | 22:25 |
| +qgi1 | I think currently is too easy to hide :) | 22:25 |
| +qgi1 | we have just seen it in yet one sprint more imvho | 22:25 |
| +dneary | OK. Like I said, let's try it :) | 22:25 |
| +qgi1 | in any case, here we decide only to put this task in this sprint | 22:26 |
| +qgi1 | then of course we sort out the details by doing and improving | 22:26 |
| +qgi1 | anything else about this task? | 22:26 |
| +qgi1 | [[Task:Components and packages]] that define Maemo - Soumya - Proposed for Sprint2 | 22:26 |
| +qgi1 | I have talked with Soumya | 22:27 |
| +qgi1 | aka project manager of the Maemo SDK | 22:27 |
| +qgi1 | and she commits to this one | 22:27 |
| +qgi1 | * [[Task:Remarkable community projects]] around Maemo - Volunteers needed (Quim is looking for them) - Proposed for Sprint3 | 22:28 |
| +qgi1 | I started this weekend as a hobby | 22:28 |
| +qgi1 | I find suspicious that the best community projects are triaged by a Nokia employee :) | 22:28 |
| +qgi1 | this is why I don't want to continue and complete this one | 22:28 |
| +qgi1 | I think the intend and direction is set, if someone wants somethig different/better, go ahead | 22:29 |
| +qgi1 | anybody in the audience wants to take it? | 22:29 |
| +dneary | Question: (I'm going to get the name as the guy who always asks questions) | 22:29 |
| +ferenc | how about asking iTT's Reggie? | 22:29 |
| +qgi1 | I asked in ITT | 22:30 |
| +dneary | I have the impression that you're hoping for someone outside the inner circle - is that right? | 22:30 |
| +dneary | I mean, I could take this on, but I get the feeling you'd like there to be a community volunteer championning this | 22:30 |
| +qgi1 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21334 | 22:31 |
| +qgi1 | What I think it doesn't matter :) | 22:31 |
| +qgi1 | to get the task at least in the backlog, one day in a sporint and completed (within the 100Days) is what matters | 22:32 |
| +qgi1 | so I propose we put in the backlog, still orphan | 22:32 |
| +qgi1 | and hopefully someone i.e. "you" picks it up | 22:32 |
| +ferenc | we need an editor who kinda throws in reviews of maemo apps every now and then. he could then gather his squad of monitoring apps. | 22:32 |
| +ferenc | writing reviews might stimulate things... | 22:32 |
| +dneary | qgi1: We have a pretty decent page now, with about 50 proposed projects | 22:33 |
| +dneary | GAN800 has been organising it | 22:33 |
| +GeneralAntilles | I just poked at the formatting a bit, it's mostly been itT people as far as I can tell. | 22:33 |
| +dneary | Let's keep it in Strint 2, and promote whatever list of applications is there at the end of the sprint | 22:33 |
| +qgi1 | to the backlog, then, it's in decent state to be accepted as a task - do you agree? | 22:33 |
| * ferenc nods | 22:34 | |
| +dneary | No-one's "officially" co-ordinating, but I'll keep my eye on it (along with GeneralAntilles) | 22:34 |
| +qgi1 | on top of the upstream contributions? | 22:34 |
| * NetBlade needs to bail out, good night all | 22:34 | |
| +qgi1 | in the backlog i mean | 22:34 |
| +dneary | ferenc: The Pearls have been changing fairly frequently... | 22:34 |
| +ferenc | dneary: yeah, noticed it. | 22:35 |
| +qgi1 | * [[Task:Upstream projects]] Maemo relies upon - Volunteers needed (Quim is looking for them) - Proposed for Sprint3 | 22:35 |
| +qgi1 | this is something IO could do but others as well | 22:35 |
| +qgi1 | it's all public information | 22:35 |
| +dneary | I can make a start at it. | 22:36 |
| +qgi1 | backlog or sprint2? | 22:36 |
| +dneary | Sprint3 | 22:36 |
| +qgi1 | * [[Task:Maemo_public_roadmapping_process]] - Quim - Proposed for Sprint5 | 22:37 |
| +qgi1 | this is totally in my court | 22:37 |
| +qgi1 | backlog | 22:37 |
| +qgi1 | * Document explaining the open source positioning and strategy of Nokia in Maemo. - Quim - Proposed for Sprint5 | 22:37 |
| +qgi1 | this is something that was requested in the 100days brainstorm | 22:38 |
| +qgi1 | in my court totally | 22:38 |
| +qgi1 | backlog | 22:38 |
| +qgi1 | * Introduce [[Maemo package source status|license and open/closed status]] to the [[Task:Components_and_packages|list of packages]] - Soumya? | 22:38 |
| +qgi1 | well, this is something to be done by someone next to the machinery | 22:39 |
| +qgi1 | can be extracted because it's public information but... | 22:39 |
| +qgi1 | hopefully when Soumya is done with this sprint she can commit to 3 or 4 or 5 | 22:39 |
| +qgi1 | backlog since it's part of 100days | 22:39 |
| +qgi1 | * Explanation of the reasons why the closed source packages are closed - Quim | 22:40 |
| +qgi1 | clearly in my court | 22:40 |
| +qgi1 | let's see what can I do in the 100days | 22:40 |
| +qgi1 | at least explain the main principles why | 22:40 |
| +qgi1 | package by package, we'll see how far I go but I guess the important is to start | 22:40 |
| +qgi1 | backlog | 22:40 |
| +dneary | One other thing (in case it gets missed) | 22:41 |
| +dneary | logo contest selection process | 22:41 |
| +qgi1 | Process to [[Source petition for example package|request a closed source package to be open]] - volunteers needed. | 22:41 |
| +dneary | Oh, sorry - thought you were finished | 22:41 |
| +qgi1 | let's finish the new proposals and then more ok | 22:41 |
| +qgi1 | this one, I have put it in the proposals because it is part of the 100Days but it's rather incomplete, | 22:42 |
| +qgi1 | GeneralAntilles can explain more perhaps | 22:42 |
| +GeneralAntilles | I can help set up the framework for the wiki (templates, etc) for the open/closed stuff. | 22:42 |
| +GeneralAntilles | Probably need some more information from somebody Nokia on how they might like to see it put together, though. | 22:42 |
| +qgi1 | as usual I can provide all kinds of feedback | 22:43 |
| +qgi1 | :) | 22:43 |
| +GeneralAntilles | A procedure needs to be set down for the petitioning process. | 22:43 |
| +qgi1 | backlog or sprint2 or do you prefer to discuss further next sprint? | 22:43 |
| +qgi1 | I can put it to backlog and then feel free to push it as much as you want | 22:44 |
| +GeneralAntilles | Sounds like a plan. | 22:44 |
| +qgi1 | * Review the [http://maemo.org/legal/contribution_guidelines/ Maemo contribution guidelines] - Quim | 22:45 |
| +qgi1 | ufff | 22:45 |
| +ferenc | :) | 22:45 |
| +andre___ | hehe | 22:45 |
| +qgi1 | the thing is | 22:45 |
| +qgi1 | I'm not a developer, nor an IPR guy | 22:45 |
| +qgi1 | it would be good that someone would define expectations, good practices etc | 22:45 |
| +qgi1 | then I can do the "connecting people" and push things forward | 22:46 |
| +qgi1 | but I feel like not having enough knowledge/perspoective to gt this started myself | 22:46 |
| +ferenc | where are the "maemo lawyers"? | 22:46 |
| +qgi1 | in Espoo and Helsinki | 22:46 |
| +ferenc | no, i meant the guys who are often sound like lawyers on the lists | 22:47 |
| +ferenc | ;) | 22:47 |
| +qgi1 | ah | 22:47 |
| +ferenc | this would be a nice place for them to join the project | 22:47 |
| +andre___ | ...does this only cover legal stuff or also e.g. patch guidelines? | 22:47 |
| +qgi1 | well, we can keep it in proposals and ask for... a proposal? | 22:47 |
| +qgi1 | andre___: everything | 22:47 |
| +qgi1 | but we can start with the basics | 22:48 |
| * andre___ had http://www.gnome.org/projects/evolution/patch.shtml in mind for an example of patch guidelines | 22:48 | |
| +qgi1 | if someone can start a wiki page and collect expectations | 22:48 |
| +qgi1 | what is wrong now | 22:48 |
| +qgi1 | and good practices | 22:48 |
| +qgi1 | then I can start getting a story out of this | 22:49 |
| +bergie | all right, time to go to sleep... thanks for the meeting! | 22:49 |
| +qgi1 | sounds like a move to reviewed proposals | 22:49 |
| +ferenc | qgi1: yes. | 22:49 |
| +ferenc | bergie: night | 22:49 |
| +dneary | Yes | 22:50 |
| +qgi1 | refresh https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint2 (and forget about formatting problems now) | 22:50 |
| +qgi1 | oook what else as tasks | 22:50 |
| +dneary | For now, I'm unsure whether there's a technical, procedural or legal issue to resolve | 22:50 |
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| +qgi1 | more specific question: what else needs to be done in Sprint2 | 22:51 |
| +qgi1 | dneary: | 22:51 |
| +dneary | Finalise selection process for new logo | 22:51 |
| +dneary | Essentially, theer are 2 schools of thought - vote or selection | 22:51 |
| +dneary | I'm all for selection | 22:51 |
| +GeneralAntilles | +1 | 22:51 |
| +dneary | I think someone needs to draw a line in the sand | 22:51 |
| +dneary | And I'm sure this someone will get flak | 22:51 |
| +dneary | I can draw the line | 22:52 |
| +qgi1 | I think everybody here understands that selection is the way | 22:52 |
| +GeneralAntilles | Just throw this at anybody who wonders why voting is the "wrong way". ;) http://www.usmint.gov/mint_programs/50sq_program/states/index.cfm?flash=yes&state=fl | 22:52 |
| +qgi1 | but then, who | 22:53 |
| +dneary | I'll invite 4 or 5 prominent & qualified community members to judge, announce the judges and "announce" that they're going to select the logo | 22:53 |
| +dneary | And then watch the fireworks go off | 22:53 |
| +qgi1 | many of the names I proposed are now active in the contest | 22:53 |
| +qgi1 | and Dave... why you had to blog about your favorites? :) | 22:53 |
| +dneary | Well, you've set up one rule - no Nokia employees | 22:53 |
| +dneary | I wasn't going to judge anyway - I was rustling up candidates :) | 22:54 |
| +qgi1 | so do we have names? | 22:54 |
| +dneary | I'd go for jimmac or tigert for one | 22:54 |
| +qgi1 | tigert is a nokia employee, if that matters | 22:54 |
| +qgi1 | and jimmac... does he know about the maemo community? | 22:55 |
| +qgi1 | (I'm beig nevil's advocate now) | 22:55 |
| +dneary | It does since you said no Nokia employees would be involved in the selection process | 22:55 |
| +dneary | And indeed, jimmac's not a maemo guy | 22:55 |
| +qgi1 | anyway | 22:55 |
| +qgi1 | you figure that out publicly and now you have a deadline :) | 22:55 |
| +qgi1 | (you had it before anyway) ;) | 22:56 |
| +qgi1 | but no need to discuss more on voting, agreed? | 22:56 |
| +dneary | Reggie? | 22:56 |
| +qgi1 | has submitted logos | 22:56 |
| +qgi1 | what else needs to be done in this sprint? | 22:57 |
| +qgi1 | ah, in fact one thing | 22:57 |
| +qgi1 | check c-base | 22:57 |
| +andre___ | "check" means? | 22:57 |
| +qgi1 | I'll be in Berlin on July 17 or something, a thursday | 22:57 |
| +qgi1 | go and make the deal with them | 22:57 |
| +qgi1 | because via email and phone calls is kind of not enough | 22:57 |
| +qgi1 | (which is otoh what I expect from an urban underground collective) :) | 22:58 |
| +qgi1 | what else, sprint2? | 22:58 |
| +qgi1 | oook, don't go to sleep yet | 22:59 |
| +qgi1 | bugs | 22:59 |
| * ferenc hiding... | 22:59 | |
| +qgi1 | do you want 10 mins break or just go ahead? | 22:59 |
| +ferenc | let's continue | 22:59 |
| @X-Fade | Please go ahead. It is nearing my bed time too ;) | 22:59 |
| +qgi1 | please put in the sprint page who is responsible of which component | 23:00 |
| +qgi1 | and do list there the bugs you are dealing with in the sprint2 | 23:00 |
| +ferenc | ok. deadline for that? | 23:00 |
| +qgi1 | now we have 11 HIGH: https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=Website&component=Bugzilla&component=Calendar&component=Documentation&component=Downloads&component=Garage&component=General&component=News&component=Profile&component=Repositories&component=Wiki&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwor | 23:00 |
| +qgi1 | ferenc: what about tomorrow | 23:00 |
| +ferenc | tomorrow 10AM (UTC+3) ? | 23:00 |
| +qgi1 | it's really 5 mins | 23:01 |
| +ferenc | yes, i will do my part right after this meeting. | 23:01 |
| +qgi1 | Some of those HIGH don't look too HIGH to me | 23:02 |
| +qgi1 | and actually some have been wandering around for months (years) | 23:02 |
| +qgi1 | wither they are HIGH and we do have them in the top of priorities | 23:02 |
| * dneary doesn't know what to do with "desktop files not documented properly" | 23:02 | |
| +qgi1 | or in fact they are not, and move them as MEDIUM/LOW | 23:02 |
| +dneary | but I want to get it out of the way | 23:03 |
| +qgi1 | dneary: close it | 23:03 |
| +qgi1 | wontfix | 23:03 |
| +ferenc | dneary: mark WONTFIX. if people are intested they will reopen | 23:03 |
| +dneary | I suggested documenting the file format in the wiki, and closing the bug | 23:03 |
| +qgi1 | then do just that | 23:03 |
| +ferenc | dneary: unless you can do it yourself. | 23:03 |
| +ferenc | if you have to wait for info, then WONTFIX | 23:03 |
| +ferenc | my 2 cents | 23:03 |
| +qgi1 | what is not worth is to get a HIGH bug stuck just because | 23:03 |
| +qgi1 | any other comment about those HIGH? | 23:04 |
| * ferenc checking | 23:04 | |
| +andre___ | 630 is something ongoing and long-term, but to keep people happy i'd also keep it as "high". | 23:04 |
| +andre___ | setting it to medium would probably make them burn down my house :-P | 23:05 |
| * GeneralAntilles gets on that bandwagon. :P | 23:05 | |
| +qgi1 | Comment #22 from Andre Klapper 2008-06-20 15:46:23 GMT+3 | 23:05 |
| +qgi1 | you are indeed working on it, so I don't see the problem | 23:05 |
| +andre___ | heh. okay :-) | 23:05 |
| +qgi1 | it is not about completing HIGH bugs, it's about pushing them regularly until they are resolved in a way or another | 23:05 |
| +ferenc | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3280: happened because i have tried to restart the web server a few times while figuring out the best settings for the wiki and the caching daemon | 23:05 |
| +qgi1 | otherwise, withr medium/low or wontfix etc | 23:06 |
| +ferenc | #3280: will be around until we get the new boxes. | 23:06 |
| +ferenc | someone should by the way push the ISP to get us a quote, finally. | 23:06 |
| +qgi1 | that's fine, just state that in the bug and everybody understands the progress or lack of it due to dependencies | 23:07 |
| +ferenc | qgi1: ok, will do. | 23:07 |
| +qgi1 | ferenc: Misha alrady said we have a quote and etc, the ball is moving | 23:07 |
| +ferenc | qgi1: oops, missed that., nice. | 23:07 |
| +qgi1 | anything else about HIGH? | 23:07 |
| +qgi1 | GeneralAntilles filed a bug as HIGH, which is not normal procedure but ok | 23:08 |
| +qgi1 | just to make sure, ferenc do you agree? | 23:08 |
| +ferenc | qgi1: the quote and the ISP thing is in wrong hands!!! | 23:08 |
| +qgi1 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3341 | 23:08 |
| +ferenc | qgi1: the guy who is responsible for that is on vacation. i am substituting him and i have not seen the quote. | 23:08 |
| +qgi1 | and what other hands do you se in July, but this is internal discussion | 23:09 |
| +ferenc | qgi1: mine and Misha's, plus the boss of Marcell. | 23:09 |
| +ferenc | these 3 guys should be able to review and decide on the quote. | 23:09 |
| +qgi1 | ferenc: this is internal discussion, I don't talk about Nokia managers and budgets here | 23:09 |
| +qgi1 | among other things because I'm not following that | 23:10 |
| +ferenc | yes, but many things we discuss here are pending on the crappy infra | 23:10 |
| +qgi1 | Misha, Tero Salminen, be my guest | 23:10 |
| +qgi1 | bug 3341 | 23:10 |
| +ferenc | :) right. offline email discussion starting form tomorrow. | 23:10 |
| +qgi1 | anyway, it's late | 23:11 |
| +qgi1 | we assume what is HIGH is HIGH | 23:11 |
| +qgi1 | now, MEDIUM: https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=Website&component=Bugzilla&component=Calendar&component=Documentation&component=Downloads&component=Garage&component=General&component=News&component=Profile&component=Repositories&component=Wiki&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr | 23:11 |
| @X-Fade | qgi1: Url is too long ;) | 23:12 |
| +qgi1 | we have said many times that MEDIUM are the bugs proposed for the current sprint by you | 23:12 |
| +ferenc | sorry: just back to the high for a second: the wiki plugins will be installed in a day. | 23:12 |
| +qgi1 | should we assume that we want to add 44 bugs to our work? | 23:12 |
| +andre___ | uff. 44 medium bugs?! | 23:12 |
| +dneary | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=Website&component=Bugzilla&component=Calendar&component=Documentation&component=Downloads&component=Garage&component=General&component=News&component=Profile&component=Repositories&component=Wiki&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&stat | 23:12 |
| +dneary | us_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0= | 23:13 |
| +dneary | 128 for me | 23:13 |
| @X-Fade | tinyurl.com, please ;) | 23:13 |
| +dneary | Oh - 'scuse me, that includes high & low | 23:13 |
| +qgi1 | I guess not, so please put down to LOW what you really don't want to propose for a next sprint | 23:13 |
| +GeneralAntilles | MEDIUM: http://tinyurl.com/49f8yn | 23:13 |
| +dneary | http://tinyurl.com/4q9abx | 23:13 |
| +qgi1 | can all you please llook through and suggest bugs to move to high? | 23:14 |
| +andre___ | shall i mass-move the Maemo Diablo Reference Manual bugs to low? | 23:15 |
| +qgi1 | andre___: is it possible to get a list like that one but including the assignee (not for now, could be useful for next reviews, I guess it's only a report) | 23:15 |
| +qgi1 | yep, since they are being dealt out of our sprints anyway | 23:15 |
| +qgi1 | and not in the following 20 days | 23:16 |
| +andre___ | i don't think it's possible without changing code, let me take a look | 23:16 |
| +ferenc | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2346: the "one documentation tool" is now shifted to mediawiki. so it is not midgard anymore, if i am right. | 23:16 |
| +ferenc | #2346 can be moved to low, imho | 23:16 |
| @X-Fade | Ok, I'll start. I don't think I have time in Sprint 2 to work on additional bugs. (Other than urgent ones) | 23:16 |
| +qgi1 | there are three considered "major" | 23:17 |
| +qgi1 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3205 | 23:17 |
| +qgi1 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3228 | 23:17 |
| +qgi1 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3354 | 23:17 |
| +ferenc | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3228: can remain here, i will take it. | 23:17 |
| @X-Fade | Ok, 3354 is something for Ferenc and Me ;) | 23:17 |
| +ferenc | and fix it within this sprint. | 23:18 |
| +dneary | 3205 is the opportunity for me to learn how to modify official docs | 23:18 |
| +andre___ | feel free to assign it to you | 23:18 |
| +dneary | I may not have the permissions necessary, but I'll see how far I can get | 23:18 |
| +qgi1 | it refers to 4.0 docs when 4.1 are out | 23:18 |
| +ferenc | 3354: assigned to myself. | 23:19 |
| +qgi1 | anyway, I suggest to add one task visibly in this sprint | 23:19 |
| +qgi1 | triage our own components to put everything on the right priority/severity | 23:20 |
| +qgi1 | Personally, I'm not even certain that all components are being effectively watched by an owner | 23:20 |
| +qgi1 | I want to be proven wrong | 23:20 |
| +ferenc | qgi1: ok | 23:20 |
| +qgi1 | rest of you, what do you think? | 23:21 |
| +dneary | qgi1: And indeed in 4.1 the sentence is added | 23:21 |
| +qgi1 | anyway, new task added | 23:22 |
| +qgi1 | coordinator: andre___ :) | 23:23 |
| +qgi1 | I think we are done | 23:23 |
| +qgi1 | I'll clean the page and de-protect it | 23:23 |
| +qgi1 | anythignelse? | 23:23 |
| +dneary | Not from me | 23:23 |
| +dneary | Nighth! | 23:23 |
| +ferenc | qgi1: yes. done. | 23:23 |
| +dneary | Will we talk tomorrow about who's who? | 23:23 |
| +qgi1 | thaaaank you very much | 23:23 |
| +dneary | Or now? | 23:23 |
| +dneary | (tomorrow, tomorrow...) | 23:24 |
| +ferenc | thanks! good night! | 23:24 |
| +qgi1 | now I don't even know who I am | 23:24 |
| +dneary | Is it still daytime in Finland? | 23:24 |
| +qgi1 | also thank you very much to the listeners | 23:24 |
| +qgi1 | lemme see | 23:24 |
| +qgi1 | nah | 23:24 |
| @X-Fade | I'll put the maemo-meeting log up on the website tomorrow. | 23:24 |
| +andre___ | hmm. okay :) | 23:24 |
| +qgi1 | ok then | 23:25 |
| +qgi1 | byebye | 23:25 |
| +ferenc | bye! | 23:25 |
| +andre___ | night | 23:26 |
| @X-Fade | bye | 23:26 |
| -!- ferenc [n=sopi@a83-245-231-153.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has left #maemo-meeting [] | 23:26 | |
| -!- mode/#maemo-meeting [-vvvv NetBlade andre___ dneary GAN800] by X-Fade | 23:27 | |
| -!- mode/#maemo-meeting [-vv qgi1 GeneralAntilles] by X-Fade | 23:27 | |
| @X-Fade | Silence, at last ;) | 23:27 |
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