| Jaffa2 | Hmm. Baby in one arm, likely to want feeding soon - this'll be fun. | 14:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Juggling is a fine skill to learn | 14:56 |
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| Jaffa2 | GeneralAntilles: Mrs Jaffa might get upset if I dropped the baby :) | 14:58 |
| wazd | I got you! | 14:58 |
| wazd | :) | 14:58 |
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| Jaffa2 | Who's chairing, btw? | 15:01 |
| timsamoff | I'm assuming dneary. | 15:01 |
| timsamoff | Good morning (from here), btw. ;) | 15:01 |
| wazd | Hello everybody :) | 15:01 |
| wazd | Good evening in here already :) | 15:01 |
| dneary | Jeez | 15:01 |
| dneary | Hi all | 15:02 |
| * dneary sits in the chair | 15:02 | |
| timsamoff | :p | 15:02 |
| dneary | So - do we have everyone important here? | 15:02 |
| * bergie feels important now :-) | 15:02 | |
| dneary | timsamoff, Jaffa2, dneary, bergie, ... | 15:03 |
| dneary | No glaoliver or andrecunha for the moment? | 15:03 |
| X-Fade | Nope.. | 15:03 |
| dneary | Or teko | 15:03 |
| dneary | or is it tekojo? | 15:03 |
| bergie | I have to be out in about 1.5h | 15:04 |
| andre___ | i can pretend to be andrecunha but i think you will find out quite soon :-P | 15:04 |
| timsamoff | Hehe. | 15:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre___, I demand mockups with cats! | 15:04 |
| andre___ | eeks | 15:05 |
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| dneary | andre___: sprechst du Deutsch? | 15:05 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza: Hi there | 15:05 |
| glaubertsouza | Hi Everyone | 15:05 |
| andre___ | dneary, a bit. same with french ;-) | 15:05 |
| bergie | ok, are we able to begin? | 15:06 |
| wazd | hello | 15:06 |
| dneary | wazd: Hi - mind me asking who lurks behind the IRC nick? | 15:06 |
| dneary | bergie: Waiting for Andre Cunha and Tero Kojo, hopefully they'll arrive quickly | 15:06 |
| dneary | We can start in the meantime | 15:07 |
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| bergie | ok... so, the status | 15:07 |
| andrek__ | (to avoid confusion) | 15:07 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza: Can you give us a status update on what you've been working on since the holidays, please? | 15:07 |
| bergie | we have layouts for the front page, and some sectional front pages | 15:07 |
| wazd | dneary: em, Andrew Zhilin, Russia :) | 15:07 |
| bergie | but not app catalog, a regular content page, social news etc | 15:07 |
| wazd | dneary: http://tabletui.wordpress.com guy) | 15:07 |
| bergie | especially a regular content page is urgent | 15:07 |
| bergie | we looked at the CSS and XHTML that we got from INdT | 15:08 |
| dneary | bergie: Mind if I do a tour of everyone? | 15:08 |
| bergie | and unfortunately it doesn't follow any of the guidelines we wrote for them | 15:08 |
| bergie | dneary: sure, go ahead | 15:08 |
| dneary | bergie: Thanks | 15:08 |
| dneary | bergie: Could you fish out a link to the mail archives for that mail with the guidelines? | 15:08 |
| timsamoff | Can I ask a BIG question before Bergie gets started? | 15:08 |
| dneary | timsamoff: Please. | 15:08 |
| bergie | dneary: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2008-December/002782.html | 15:09 |
| timsamoff | Would it be feasible just to hand off the PSD designs to Neiman and have their guys do all of the html/css work (i.e., convert static designs to web)? | 15:09 |
| bergie | dneary: ok, it follows *some* of the guidelines ;-) | 15:09 |
| timsamoff | This would remove INdT from that part of the loop... Glaubert could continue to mockup pages. | 15:09 |
| dneary | timsamoff: I'll hold off on that answer for a bit too :p | 15:09 |
| bergie | timsamoff: yeah, that is one option | 15:09 |
| bergie | but let us do the round that dneary wanted first | 15:10 |
| timsamoff | Ok. ;) | 15:10 |
| dneary | timsamoff: I would like to have a clear summary of where we're at first | 15:10 |
| timsamoff | Right. carry on. :) | 15:10 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza: You're on! | 15:10 |
| glaubertsouza | yes | 15:10 |
| glaubertsouza | ok | 15:10 |
| glaubertsouza | as we "completed" the community page | 15:12 |
| glaubertsouza | we are moving to Download and planet pages | 15:12 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza: Did you read my email from last Friday? | 15:13 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-community/2009-January/002877.html | 15:13 |
| dneary | How's progress on the Download and planet pages? And when do you think you might be able to get to (say) the Intro page, which is a typical Midgard page? | 15:14 |
| bergie | dneary: well, the typical Midgard page can as well be a typical wiki page, or typical mailing list archive page if we so decide | 15:15 |
| bergie | so I'd say "typical content page" :-) | 15:15 |
| glaubertsouza | we`ve just started on the DOwnloads and planet pages.. | 15:16 |
| bergie | glaubertsouza: a little remark: can we have a "person profile" widget that can be reused across planet, comments, whatever user posts? | 15:16 |
| bergie | you know... photo, name, karma, online status | 15:17 |
| glaubertsouza | why not.? | 15:17 |
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| dneary | hi acunha | 15:18 |
| Jaffa2 | Do we need to track work items &Y status better? | 15:18 |
| glaubertsouza | I Think it works | 15:18 |
| acunha | hi dave | 15:18 |
| timsamoff | Morin' Andre. | 15:18 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza: How long does it take you to mock up 1 page? | 15:19 |
| glaubertsouza | It Depends, some time it take me some days | 15:19 |
| timsamoff | As an aside, I think one to three days per page (depending on complexity) should be enough. | 15:20 |
| timsamoff | But, that's me. Glaubert can comment. | 15:20 |
| glaubertsouza | Yes , the complexity says how long it will take | 15:21 |
| bergie | also, in general, the more reusable design elements we have, the easier it will be to adapt the layout to the various maemo.org services | 15:21 |
| timsamoff | bergie: Especially in the css stage! | 15:21 |
| bergie | indeed | 15:21 |
| acunha | yes, after having 5 or 6 design pages things get much easier | 15:22 |
| bergie | but also because it doesn't make sense to design all of the 100 different screens we have across the systems | 15:22 |
| glaubertsouza | we try to make a "Template" (reusable elements) | 15:22 |
| dneary | OK | 15:22 |
| timsamoff | (Damn, my typing fingers are frozen right now -- it's 6ยบ F here!) | 15:22 |
| timsamoff | :p | 15:23 |
| glaubertsouza | we work less on the currents page, but we think more to adapt and get it consistant | 15:23 |
| wazd | Can I ask a question? | 15:23 |
| dneary | So - in summary, you have completed the front page, Community & Development design work & HTML, you are now working on applying the same style to two complicated pages | 15:23 |
| glaubertsouza | yes | 15:23 |
| dneary | Downloads & planet | 15:23 |
| dneary | So you're not working on a graphic, you're on HTML? | 15:24 |
| bergie | after those, the big priority should be the "static page" | 15:24 |
| bergie | as for HTML, can we discuss that *after* we discuss the design? | 15:24 |
| dneary | bergie: That's what I'm trying to get at | 15:25 |
| wazd | Can I ask a question bout design?) | 15:25 |
| timsamoff | wazd: Ask away. ;) | 15:25 |
| wazd | How would you add "talk" item into top menu row? | 15:26 |
| bergie | good point | 15:26 |
| timsamoff | I think there's room for another menu item. | 15:26 |
| bergie | talk should be there | 15:26 |
| dneary | wazd: "Talk" as in ITt? | 15:26 |
| timsamoff | But, we never made room for excerpts. | 15:26 |
| wazd | dneary: yes | 15:26 |
| glaubertsouza | I`m working in the graphics I plan to show you my progress by we thursday | 15:26 |
| dneary | Wouldn't that fit in the "Community" page? | 15:26 |
| timsamoff | Yes. | 15:27 |
| dneary | I mean, wouldn't that be most appropriate in the community page? | 15:27 |
| timsamoff | But, on the front page... We could mix (mashup) News/Planet/Talk in the exerpts. | 15:27 |
| dneary | Sure | 15:27 |
| timsamoff | ...as one long set of conversations. | 15:27 |
| timsamoff | But, yes, Community is where it should go, I think. | 15:28 |
| timsamoff | wad: Opinions? | 15:28 |
| wazd | dneary: maybe, but I think it's not so good idea to hide forum in sub-pages | 15:28 |
| timsamoff | wazd I ean. | 15:28 |
| timsamoff | mean. | 15:28 |
| wazd | timsamoff: well, I've asked this question because I see current design is not so scalable as it should be | 15:29 |
| bergie | wazd: then again, same reasoning goes for wiki, bugs and garage | 15:29 |
| wazd | But since Glaubert is still working on this problem could be solved already | 15:29 |
| dneary | wazd: In my head, I had it going in "Community" and "Support" | 15:29 |
| timsamoff | We did have quite a lengthy discussion about categorization about pages... Keeping it simple -- making launching points rather than direct links, etc. | 15:30 |
| dneary | bergie: And mailing list subscription pages, IRC, ... | 15:30 |
| bergie | dneary: yes, so grouping them under more generic headers like Community and Development makes sense | 15:30 |
| wazd | dneary: Maybe you're right, but still, if you one day will want to add something to the main menu - you'll screw up) | 15:31 |
| dneary | wazd: You could be right. | 15:31 |
| wazd | But still I'm considering forum as standalone item... Less newbie-confusing I think. But that's just my opinion | 15:32 |
| dneary | wazd: I think it's sufficiently adaptable to accommodate maybe one more top level header, if one day we find one that we really really need, based on the feedback of people using the site | 15:32 |
| timsamoff | wazd: Can you provide an example? I see room for more menu items... | 15:32 |
| dneary | But for this version, I'm pretty happy with the front page serving its purpose | 15:32 |
| bergie | ok, should we move on? | 15:33 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza: I am still wondering if you're working on graphics or on HTML | 15:33 |
| wazd | timsamoff: I haven't got examples of future pages for now, but when they will appear it would be too late :) | 15:34 |
| glaubertsouza | I`m on Graphics | 15:34 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza: OK, great | 15:34 |
| timsamoff | wazd: True, but... I'm with dneary on this -- I think the current version serves a good purpose. If, at some point, it needs to change, we could change the front page (and it's functionality) without redesigning the entire site. | 15:35 |
| dneary | Because who works on the CSS/HTML is one of the things we need to discuss | 15:35 |
| bergie | agreed | 15:35 |
| dneary | acunha: So - Andre, what have you been working on since Friday? | 15:35 |
| timsamoff | Here here. ;) | 15:35 |
| bergie | the current version has some structural issues and quite a bad case of classitis (http://joshuaink2006.johnoxton.co.uk/blog/330/avoiding-classitis) that makes it a bit hard to adapt and reuse | 15:35 |
| bergie | so with it there are two options: hot-fix the structural things, or redo it | 15:36 |
| wazd | oh, and where's the "community" item then?) | 15:36 |
| wazd | I'm looking at http://openbossa.andrecunha.com/maemo | 15:36 |
| bergie | since we need to adapt them to quite a few different systems, I'm kind of in favor of trying to get the HTML right the first time | 15:36 |
| Jaffa2 | wazd: this had been my concern - the links to Support & Community are only off the front page, not the header. | 15:37 |
| timsamoff | Note: dneary, glaubertsouza: We also need rollover states for clickable graphics (links). | 15:38 |
| bergie | timsamoff: especially the main menu (rollover + selected status) | 15:38 |
| wazd | Jaffa2: Well, I don't get why documentation is a standalone page, since it's a 9% developement thing :) | 15:38 |
| wazd | 99% | 15:38 |
| timsamoff | Docs can also refer to user docs (in the future), though. | 15:39 |
| Jaffa2 | wazd: I'd say 50%; half of it is developer docs, half of it is community documentation. But I can't remember the arguments about this before. I seem to remember losing :-) | 15:39 |
| Jaffa2 | timsamoff: What's a "user" doc? Why does a visitor to the site care who the author is? | 15:39 |
| dneary | wazd: "Get involved" -> Community, "Get help" -> Support | 15:40 |
| dneary | wazd: And I specifically left Documentation off the front page, not sure when it crept back in | 15:40 |
| timsamoff | Jaffa2: No, I mean documentation for users. | 15:40 |
| dneary | But that's another subject | 15:40 |
| timsamoff | But, maybe that's Support...? | 15:41 |
| wazd | Jaffa2: I think you should divide 2 types of documentation and place it in "development" and "community" | 15:41 |
| dneary | We've got a relatively short amount of time to find out what progress is, and decide what's happening next | 15:41 |
| dneary | For design discussions, please use the list | 15:41 |
| wazd | dneary: ok | 15:41 |
| dneary | Jaffa2, wazd: This is a discussion I'll happilyu contribute to on the list | 15:41 |
| bergie | so... regarding HTML | 15:41 |
| bergie | I'm proposing we redo it | 15:41 |
| bergie | this Friday we can do the "basic skeleton" of the design | 15:42 |
| dneary | bergie: OK - you're up :) | 15:42 |
| bergie | so deployment to some of the systems can start | 15:42 |
| bergie | essentially to those that won't be designed specifically | 15:42 |
| dneary | bergie: You were saying that the pages supplied by INdT didn't meet your guidelines? | 15:42 |
| dneary | Mind saying why? | 15:42 |
| bergie | dneary: "some structural issues and quite a bad case of classitis (http://joshuaink2006.johnoxton.co.uk/blog/330/avoiding-classitis)" :-) | 15:43 |
| bergie | the current design forces you to create bunch of CSS for every page type | 15:43 |
| bergie | which shouldn't be necessary, and overtly complicates things | 15:43 |
| bergie | the current CSS is also very long and complex, which will bite us in maintenance phase | 15:44 |
| bergie | we could just accept it on the basis that it "looks OK in the browser", and just use it, but that will be trouble further on | 15:44 |
| timsamoff | I agree... And, the css still needs a lot of tweaking (imho) to match the design: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2008-December/002844.html | 15:45 |
| bergie | so I'll rather point out the issues now than fight with them for the next two years ;-) | 15:45 |
| acunha | Fine. Bergie, do you need my PSDs files or you can work on the sliced images you already have | 15:45 |
| dneary | Bottom line - how long do you think it will take you to take the designs & have a stylesheet that meets your standards, and works well on FF >=2, IE >=6, Webkit and the tablet browsers? | 15:45 |
| bergie | acunha: having the PSDs would be great. Can you send them to lauri.manner@nemein.com ? | 15:45 |
| bergie | dneary: I think we'll have the "basic page" on Friday... then the special designs of various pages are another matter | 15:46 |
| bergie | depends how much they differ from the typical page | 15:46 |
| bergie | in any case, those can be implemented as separate CSS files that are rendered in addition to the "main site style" | 15:48 |
| dneary | bergie: You'll need the graphic design for that, or you'll retro-fit CSS from the front page? | 15:48 |
| bergie | dneary: both is best | 15:48 |
| bergie | Lauri (http://nemein.com/en/people/neithan/) will work on that, so best if the materials are sent to him directly | 15:49 |
| timsamoff | bergie: Love the Midgard error with the mangled URL! :p | 15:49 |
| bergie | timsamoff: you should see the default error screen of the next Midgard version ;-) | 15:50 |
| timsamoff | I hope it's a little more...human readable. | 15:51 |
| timsamoff | :) | 15:51 |
| bergie | the current default tries to emulate Apache defaults | 15:51 |
| dneary | timsamoff: You get something funny?N | 15:51 |
| bergie | but anyway, back to the business at hand | 15:51 |
| dneary | I just get "url not found on this computer" | 15:52 |
| dneary | Yes - bergie, what do you need from Andre and Glaubert? | 15:52 |
| bergie | dneary: the PSDs | 15:52 |
| dneary | The PSDs of... | 15:52 |
| bergie | and if they can get us a PSD of a typical content page (with submenu) by Friday, then that would be great | 15:52 |
| dneary | (please be explicit) | 15:52 |
| bergie | PSDs of the various designs that are available | 15:52 |
| bergie | the more materials we have, the better | 15:53 |
| X-Fade | We might also need some icons for things like no avatar etc.. | 15:53 |
| bergie | yes... thumbs up/down, starred/unstarred, no avatar, online/offline | 15:53 |
| timsamoff | Let's add these things to the wiki if they're not already there. | 15:54 |
| bergie | I think there's a bunch of stuff that still needs to be designed | 15:54 |
| timsamoff | It will help for whenever the "next" redesign is. ;) | 15:54 |
| bergie | but, for now, we can start with having some basic HTML | 15:54 |
| bergie | then next question: do we aim at having all systems with the new layout? | 15:54 |
| bergie | Midgard, mediawiki, mailman, bugzilla, gforge, ITT, ... | 15:55 |
| dneary | bergie: OK - so you would like the PSD corresponding to the front page, the community page and the development page (which are done) and would like to have a "standard" page get top priority this week? | 15:55 |
| bergie | dneary: correct. | 15:55 |
| timsamoff | bergie: I think so! | 15:55 |
| dneary | Any preference for a "standard" page? | 15:55 |
| bergie | and before Friday | 15:55 |
| bergie | dneary: here is a pretty good standard page example: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/maemo_diablo_4-1_reference_manual_released/ | 15:55 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza: Is that OK with you? | 15:56 |
| bergie | timsamoff: ok... I hope X-Fade has some time to collaborate on that with us when we get to the phase where we deploy the layouts | 15:56 |
| X-Fade | glaubertsouza: Please also include the person profile on that page :) | 15:56 |
| Jaffa2 | bergie: Yes, definitely all pages should look the same now | 15:57 |
| glaubertsouza | Andre and I , we`ll send you the 3 PSD we have | 15:57 |
| X-Fade | bergie: Sure, no problem. | 15:57 |
| X-Fade | btw, do we have a default font that we use? | 15:58 |
| bergie | glaubertsouza: obrigado! | 15:58 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza: And you'll work on the page that bergie indicated in priority? | 15:59 |
| dneary | For Friday, if possible? | 15:59 |
| glaubertsouza | ok | 15:59 |
| bergie | in the original old maemo2midgard feasibility study (https://garage.maemo.org/docman/view.php/106/45/Maemo_Midgard_Migration_Project_Feasibility_Study.pdf) we proposed some methods for keeping layouts in sync between the different systems | 15:59 |
| bergie | that was never implemented, but maybe we could utilize some of the ideas now with X-Fade | 16:00 |
| timsamoff | Yes! Totally! | 16:00 |
| Jaffa2 | bergie: as in, automatically? | 16:01 |
| dneary | acunha: If you're OK with that, INdT's role will be creation of graphics assets, and graphical design of pages when necessary | 16:01 |
| dneary | Do we have a check-list for assets we need? | 16:01 |
| Jaffa2 | bergie: Whatever's easiest, but since the layouts shouldn't change *too* often, I'd be wary of spending time on a technical solution which'd take longer to implement than just doing it manually | 16:01 |
| bergie | Jaffa2: yeah, keep it simple | 16:02 |
| Jaffa2 | dneary: this is what I meant earlier: we should have a page on the wiki with a table of required assets, which people working on them should be updating weekly | 16:02 |
| dneary | Stars on & off, thumbs up & down, online/offline, no avatar were noted | 16:02 |
| dneary | Generic "User" widget layout was also mentioned | 16:02 |
| bergie | actually, preferably two variants of "User"... inline and a small box | 16:03 |
| timsamoff | Graphical links with rollover states. | 16:03 |
| dneary | Jaffa2: I'll take care of that after the meeting | 16:03 |
| dneary | bergie: OK, noted | 16:03 |
| dneary | timsamoff: Not sure what you mean by that | 16:03 |
| bergie | yes, the rollover states should be as layers in PSDs | 16:03 |
| glaubertsouza | I think we should make a priority list with all changes or needed things you`ve pointed out! | 16:04 |
| timsamoff | Mouse-over image link (changes to sugnify). | 16:04 |
| dneary | You mean when you roll over a menu item it turns orange, kind of thing? | 16:04 |
| timsamoff | dneary: Yes. But, text is easy (css). Images links need actual variations. | 16:04 |
| Jaffa2 | Wherever possible, I'd like to see text elements be rendered via text elements & CSS - even if that means sacrificing pixel perfect accuracy from the original PSD. | 16:06 |
| Jaffa2 | Otherwise translations become harder (unlikely to be an issue), but it also makes maintenance that much harder/restrictive as to who can do it. Not to mention the bandwidth overhead. | 16:06 |
| timsamoff | Jaffa2: Why? Images can use text replacement methods via CSS so that the page will still have text links if no CSS is available... | 16:06 |
| timsamoff | Oh, translations. Ok. ;) | 16:06 |
| Jaffa2 | Admittedly, there're no plans to translate maemo.org :) | 16:07 |
| timsamoff | But, when people do it via Google... | 16:07 |
| Jaffa2 | Good point! | 16:07 |
| Jaffa2 | I win :-) | 16:07 |
| timsamoff | Ha! | 16:07 |
| dneary | OK | 16:07 |
| bergie | the more elements can be "just text", the better | 16:07 |
| timsamoff | Agreed. | 16:07 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza: The first priority is the normal content page | 16:08 |
| glaubertsouza | no Portuguese ? :( | 16:08 |
| glaubertsouza | ko | 16:08 |
| timsamoff | ;) | 16:08 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza: Second priority will be the graphical assets, and individual special pages, on a case by case basis | 16:08 |
| dneary | Until then we can use the current versions as placeholders | 16:08 |
| glaubertsouza | ok | 16:09 |
| dneary | bergie: You think you'll have the front page reworked by Friday? | 16:11 |
| bergie | not necessarily front page, more the "basic page", from which all is derived | 16:11 |
| bergie | front page is not the main priority anyway | 16:12 |
| dneary | I'll have a Support page content proposal for ye by Thursday | 16:12 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza: When do you think you'll deliver the basic page? | 16:12 |
| dneary | bergie: The thing is, you have the PSDs for the front page, development and community now, but not for the "basic page" | 16:13 |
| bergie | dneary: yeah, but in general everything derives from basic page, and front page just is some CSS exceptions to that :-) | 16:13 |
| bergie | dneary: BTW, will you summarize the decisions from this meeting to the list? | 16:14 |
| dneary | bergie: So you have everything you need now to attack a basic page? Or am I misunderstanding you? | 16:14 |
| dneary | I will send minutes to the list soon, yes | 16:16 |
| bergie | dneary: we can do the basic framework now, and add more stuff if we get the "content page" designs | 16:17 |
| dneary | bergie: OK. | 16:17 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza: What do you think is your ETA for that page Henri pointed to? | 16:17 |
| glaubertsouza | Thursday | 16:18 |
| bergie | great | 16:18 |
| dneary | OK | 16:19 |
| bergie | just send everything to Lauri then | 16:19 |
| dneary | acunha: What will you be working on now? | 16:19 |
| dneary | acunha: Assets for the site? Or other projects? | 16:19 |
| acunha | Im working on other projects, I will help glaubert if he needs so | 16:20 |
| dneary | OK | 16:20 |
| dneary | timsamoff: Will you have any time this week? | 16:21 |
| dneary | (it's OK if you don't) | 16:21 |
| dneary | But since you have a better eye than me, if you were able to help me wireframe the Support page, that'd be great | 16:21 |
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| timsamoff | I have _some_ time. | 16:21 |
| timsamoff | I will work on Support. | 16:21 |
| timsamoff | And, my eyes... They ain't so good anymore. | 16:22 |
| timsamoff | ;) | 16:22 |
| dneary | Great | 16:22 |
| glaubertsouza | :) | 16:22 |
| dneary | OK - I think we're done for today | 16:22 |
| dneary | I'd like to meet again next week | 16:22 |
| timsamoff | Set it up! :) | 16:22 |
| dneary | Around the same time, if it suits everyone | 16:22 |
| timsamoff | This ia a GREAT time! | 16:23 |
| glaubertsouza | good | 16:23 |
| dneary | timsamoff: OK for you? OK for everyone else? | 16:23 |
| X-Fade | Ok for me. | 16:23 |
| dneary | Thanks Niels | 16:23 |
| dneary | Thanks everyone for your time! | 16:23 |
| dneary | wazd: Looking forward to that thread on the mailing list | 16:23 |
| bergie | great | 16:23 |
| timsamoff | Lookin' forward to it. Hopefully, it will be warmer. :) | 16:23 |
| Jaffa2 | This time next week should be just as good for me (second week of two of paternity leave) | 16:23 |
| bergie | ok, see you next week | 16:23 |
| dneary | I'm really not sure how "Documentation" snick back into the top-level menu | 16:24 |
| wazd | dneary: ok) | 16:24 |
| timsamoff | Oh, yeah! Congratulations Jaffa2! | 16:24 |
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| Jaffa2 | ta :) | 16:24 |
| timsamoff | Later, everyone... See you all on the List. | 16:24 |
| dneary | Yes - grats Jaffa2! | 16:25 |
| Jaffa2 | Everyone's asleep at the moment. But I think there's a stinky nappy to be changed | 16:25 |
| timsamoff | Ha ha ha! | 16:25 |
| timsamoff | Don't fall in, Jaffa2. | 16:25 |
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