| bergie | today's meeting will be a bit challenging... I'm behind a 6KB/s 3G connection in Lapland ;-) | 14:47 |
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| X-Fade | bergie_: At least it works a little ;) | 14:49 |
| timsamoff | Anyone: Will be here asap -- hopefully on time. ;) | 14:49 |
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| bergie__ | all right, I managed to social engineer myself some WiFi access :-) | 14:53 |
| timsamoff | Ok, I'm here too -- having shotty wifi issues myself, so I may pop in and out intermittently. | 14:59 |
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| X-Fade | Who is going to chair? | 15:01 |
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| bergie__ | is dave coming? | 15:01 |
| timsamoff | Surely. | 15:01 |
| Reggie | hey all | 15:01 |
| X-Fade | Hey planned it? :) | 15:01 |
| timsamoff | Hi, Reggie! | 15:01 |
| bergie__ | hi Reggie | 15:01 |
| X-Fade | Hi | 15:01 |
| bergie__ | I hope he isn't too late, I still need to drive a bit to catch my flight | 15:01 |
| X-Fade | I pinged him.. | 15:02 |
| bergie__ | the distances here in the North are something ;-) | 15:02 |
| X-Fade | He is online.. | 15:02 |
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| timsamoff | Hi, dneary! | 15:02 |
| bergie__ | all right, shall we begin? | 15:03 |
| dneary | hey ho | 15:03 |
| dneary | Just in - I'm taking off my coat. Give me a sec :) | 15:03 |
| timsamoff | (Someone's antsy: bergie__) :p | 15:03 |
| bergie__ | timsamoff: sorry about that, the travel schedule for next couple of days is a bit hectic | 15:04 |
| timsamoff | (Just teasin'.) | 15:04 |
| X-Fade | dneary: One of these days we really need to plan your meetings at *:50 ;) | 15:05 |
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| dneary | hehe | 15:06 |
| dneary | OK | 15:06 |
| dneary | bergie__: Can you give us an update? Where you're at, where we can find what you've done so far, what you need from us? | 15:07 |
| dneary | (us = tim & I, INdT) | 15:07 |
| bergie__ | ok... so, we got the designs last week | 15:08 |
| bergie__ | and Neithan made the new HTML+CSS on Monday | 15:08 |
| dneary | Is Neithan here? | 15:08 |
| bergie__ | then Niels started experimenting with a fluid version | 15:08 |
| bergie__ | dneary: nope, he is busy with other stuff now | 15:08 |
| bergie__ | so one thing we need to decide on is fluid vs fixed, as both exist at the moment | 15:09 |
| bergie__ | but other than that, I think we have all the necessary building blocks | 15:09 |
| bergie__ | there is a new Midgard host that can be synchronized with templates from SVN | 15:09 |
| timsamoff | bergie__: Explain fluid/fixed... I've only seen designs for fixed/centered. | 15:09 |
| bergie__ | and I have the same setup on my local machine, as connectivity will be spotty in next couple of days | 15:09 |
| bergie__ | timsamoff: fluid can stretch with screen size, with some min and max widths | 15:10 |
| X-Fade | I have created this quick mock up based on the html. (Didn't touch fixed background images yet.) | 15:10 |
| X-Fade | http://breet.com/maemo/mock/base2.html | 15:10 |
| timsamoff | bergie__: I understand fluid/fixed -- I'm talking about design-wise, I've only seen fixed. | 15:10 |
| bergie__ | personally, I'd prefer the fluid version | 15:10 |
| X-Fade | timsamoff: Yes, but the content portion of the fixed design is so narrow that it is hampering content. | 15:11 |
| timsamoff | X-Fae: Ah, ok. | 15:11 |
| timsamoff | (X-Fade!) | 15:11 |
| bergie__ | HTML-wise the difference between the two is minimal, so we can even postpone that decision | 15:11 |
| timsamoff | I think I like the fluid version myself! | 15:11 |
| dneary | X-Fade: re. your mock up | 15:11 |
| timsamoff | Should we vote? | 15:11 |
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| dneary | One of the things in the design was a margin on the left & right | 15:11 |
| X-Fade | And because we need a fluid layout for garage and wiki _and_ need one look for everything.. | 15:11 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Sure, I can add that.. | 15:12 |
| dneary | That shouldn't be incompatible with a fluid layout, should it? | 15:12 |
| dneary | Cool | 15:12 |
| X-Fade | It has about 5% now ;) | 15:12 |
| dneary | Should be bigger :) | 15:12 |
| Jaffa | Sorry I'm late. Are we on fluid-vs-fixed layouts again? | 15:12 |
| timsamoff | I'm all for going fluid, though. | 15:12 |
| dneary | I'd be tempted to make it fixed (say 50px) | 15:12 |
| timsamoff | Jaffa: Hand-slap. :p | 15:12 |
| bergie__ | Jaffa: yeah, as now we have proper HTML+CSS for both options | 15:12 |
| X-Fade | The way I have it now is that the sidebar is kind of fixed and the content part scales. | 15:13 |
| timsamoff | Jaffa: Check X-Fade's mockup: http://breet.com/maemo/mock/base2.html | 15:13 |
| dneary | X-Fade: Where does the text come from, though? I can't understand a word | 15:13 |
| dneary | Did you write it in Dutch? | 15:13 |
| timsamoff | Hehe. | 15:13 |
| bergie__ | dneary: http://loremipsum.net/ ;-) | 15:13 |
| dneary | (that is: fixe width margin, fluid layout within it) | 15:13 |
| Jaffa | Good. Fluid gets my vote, FWIW. | 15:13 |
| Jaffa | I think it behooves us as tablet owners to advocate fluid layouts, given the various viewport sizes we see daily. | 15:13 |
| bergie__ | +1 for fluid from here too | 15:13 |
| dneary | bergie__: I think it's Finnish. | 15:13 |
| X-Fade | dneary: I think we need to kill the margin for the tablet. | 15:14 |
| dneary | We still need s/Documentation/Talk in the mock-ups | 15:14 |
| timsamoff | It's actually American -- I can read every wordf. | 15:14 |
| dneary | I think it would be good to get into the habit of doing that ASAP | 15:14 |
| bergie__ | dneary: yeah, many parts of *.maemo.org still lack designs | 15:14 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Wasting 100px out of 800 on the tablet is just too much ;) | 15:14 |
| timsamoff | Glaubert's not here yet. | 15:14 |
| bergie__ | but I think best start by adapting the base design to them, and then seeing what needs more love | 15:14 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: ce? | 15:14 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: what if margin was %ge? | 15:15 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Re dave's fixed 50px margins.. | 15:15 |
| timsamoff | Agree with Jaffa: Make it 2% or something. | 15:15 |
| X-Fade | timsamoff: It is 5% now ;) | 15:15 |
| timsamoff | Ah.... I like it myself./ | 15:15 |
| dneary | bergie__: Well, we need a list of deliverables that we can ask for | 15:15 |
| X-Fade | dneary: And a lot of designs we got are not really _new_ designs. | 15:16 |
| bergie__ | dneary: true, but the question is whether we want to really *design* stuff like mediawiki, or just adapt the standard template | 15:16 |
| dneary | bergie__: I think that a majority of maemo.org can follow after the midgard update | 15:16 |
| bergie__ | yep | 15:16 |
| X-Fade | For example the downloads one is just a 'translation' to the new style. | 15:16 |
| dneary | bergie__: I think adapt the standard template | 15:16 |
| bergie__ | yep | 15:16 |
| Reggie | fyi on the latest news block below: http://img.skitch.com/20090121-g24hnrjfayq3cmh9sp8esbr6ut.jpg | 15:17 |
| dneary | bergie__: Same for ITt, gforge | 15:17 |
| bergie__ | so... this week I'll tweak the Midgard templates we have (the maemo2009 style in maemo2midgard SVN) to the base layout | 15:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Reggie, yeah, the background images still need to made fluid. | 15:17 |
| X-Fade | Reggie: I said I didn't scale the background images yet ;) | 15:17 |
| dneary | bergie__: Going back to the midgard host | 15:17 |
| X-Fade | Reggie: Didn't want to spend time on graphics before we agreed. | 15:17 |
| Reggie | np ;) | 15:18 |
| * Jaffa thinks that's pretty spot on | 15:18 | |
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| dneary | How do I get to see the newly themed Midgard? Where can I get the current status of the site? | 15:18 |
| bergie__ | dneary: the new template is not in Midgard yet | 15:18 |
| X-Fade | dneary: duh ;) | 15:18 |
| bergie__ | dneary: as we needed to have HTML+CSS first ;-) | 15:18 |
| bergie__ | dneary: "this week I'll tweak the Midgard templates we have (the maemo2009 style in maemo2midgard SVN) to the base layout" | 15:18 |
| X-Fade | dneary: newstyle.maemo.org has been mentioned a lot of times already. I suggest you bookmark it and check it out next week ;) | 15:19 |
| dneary | Is there a way to see the site with the maemo2009 style applied to the site? | 15:19 |
| X-Fade | dneary: That is it.. | 15:19 |
| dneary | X-Fade: mentioned here? On the mailing list? | 15:19 |
| dneary | I missed that | 15:19 |
| X-Fade | There is no actual template done yet. | 15:19 |
| bergie__ | it just doesn't have the new style yet ;-) | 15:19 |
| X-Fade | dneary: meetings, progress reports.. whatever.. | 15:19 |
| X-Fade | Anyway, we have enough to do the basic style. | 15:20 |
| dneary | X-Fade: Missed it. Which is odd. | 15:20 |
| X-Fade | But there are still a lot of pages that need to be layed out. | 15:20 |
| dneary | Funny, can't find it in my mailing list archives either | 15:21 |
| dneary | Anyway - doesn't matter. I'll minute & bookmark it | 15:21 |
| dneary | X-Fade: Such as? | 15:22 |
| bergie__ | if you want to track progress with more granularity, the maemo2midgard commit list is a useful thing | 15:22 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: BTW, when is the '1:' prefix required on the version numbers? | 15:22 |
| dneary | X-Fade: My understanding was that we would do our best not to be changing the vast majority of Midgard pages | 15:22 |
| dneary | That we'd "simply" be applying a new stylesheet | 15:22 |
| X-Fade | News, planet, downloads etc. | 15:22 |
| X-Fade | Do we like what we have for that now? | 15:23 |
| dneary | Glaubert's telling me on IM that he's having trouble connecting | 15:23 |
| bergie__ | dneary: well, the HTML stuff will change a bit in many places | 15:23 |
| Reggie | If I may suggest, can we name div IDs in the template with a 'maemo_' prefix like 'maemo_content' and 'maemo_footer' rather than just 'content' and 'footer'? this will be easier later on to incorporate other modules since they might be using the same div IDs | 15:23 |
| bergie__ | as now we have a layout really designed for proper CMS usage, and not just slapped together like the maemo2007 one is | 15:23 |
| bergie__ | Reggie: sounds dirty, but is doable | 15:24 |
| * Jaffa is very keen on having the maemo.org/community/maemo-*/ forums have a very very similar look & feel to Talk. | 15:24 | |
| Jaffa | (not that those forua seem to be up-to-date/working) | 15:24 |
| bergie__ | Jaffa: agreed, would be great if there is some general "discussion thread" design | 15:24 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Well, we need a design for that too then ;) | 15:24 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: indeed :-) | 15:24 |
| dneary | bergie__, X-Fade: Let me be sure I understand - we'll need to change some individual pages for the new style, and you would like a designer to have a look at those pages & lay them out? | 15:25 |
| X-Fade | And I also haven't seen the mini profile widget design yet? | 15:25 |
| bergie__ | yeah, the profile widgets are missing AFAIK | 15:25 |
| bergie__ | so obviously there is no CSS for them either | 15:25 |
| bergie__ | we have some things... normal content, news item, application | 15:26 |
| bergie__ | but other things like "forum post/thread" and profile widgets have not been designed | 15:26 |
| timsamoff | Has anyone taken anytime to document these things on the wiki (seems like a good job for those intimate with the current site). | 15:26 |
| dneary | Is there a list? X-Fade: is the list you gave complete? News and downloads have been styled | 15:26 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Do you really think downlaods has been styled? | 15:27 |
| dneary | Glaubert started working on Planet, but moved to a basic page when I told him it was a higher priority | 15:27 |
| dneary | He also finished it, afterwards, though | 15:27 |
| X-Fade | dneary: I think it only has the template slapped on it ;) | 15:27 |
| bergie__ | BTW, I need to drive to the airport in about 15min | 15:27 |
| dneary | X-Fade: I think that's all we're going to be doing | 15:27 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Well, you can shuffle page elements around ;) | 15:28 |
| bergie__ | yeah, not everything needs to be designed | 15:28 |
| bergie__ | we have some reusable UI concepts | 15:28 |
| X-Fade | It doesn't have to be like I created it, without any design ;) | 15:28 |
| timsamoff | Who can commit to documenting site "needs" on the wiki? (This was mentioned last meeting.) | 15:28 |
| dneary | X-Fade: If you would like a dramatic redesign of some pages, put together a list & propose on the list - otherwise, I was pretty clear on the scope - we're not re-writing maemo.org, we're changing the look & rewriting the front pages | 15:28 |
| dneary | I listed the graphics on the site - is the list complete? | 15:29 |
| X-Fade | timsamoff: https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Improving_maemo.org/Graphics | 15:29 |
| dneary | I think that most of them don't need changing, or are deprecated | 15:29 |
| X-Fade | That is the graphics list.. | 15:29 |
| timsamoff | Ok, but pages list, etc. | 15:29 |
| timsamoff | Speaking of which -- I like the new standard layout design Glaubert sent last night. | 15:30 |
| X-Fade | timsamoff: I think the sidebar is too wide.. | 15:30 |
| timsamoff | Easy to change via CSS, though -- and if the pager were fluid. | 15:30 |
| X-Fade | We could make it a bit narrower by shrinking the searchbox a bit. As it is aligned with it. | 15:30 |
| X-Fade | timsamoff: Well, banners need a fixed width. | 15:31 |
| timsamoff | That corresponds with the main page layout, though -- consitent widths. | 15:31 |
| Reggie | I might need some more graphics for Talk later on | 15:31 |
| X-Fade | So we need some kind of default width. | 15:31 |
| timsamoff | Reggie: Could you compile a list like: https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Improving_maemo.org/Graphics | 15:31 |
| X-Fade | Reggie: Just add them to the wiki if you need some.. | 15:31 |
| Reggie | ok, I will | 15:31 |
| bergie__ | Reggie: do we want to sync the look of person avatars? image sizes etc | 15:32 |
| timsamoff | bergie__: I think so. | 15:32 |
| timsamoff | The site should be a consitent as possible. imho. | 15:32 |
| bergie__ | yep | 15:32 |
| bergie__ | the profiles are separate between talk and maemo.org, though | 15:33 |
| Reggie | yes we should. | 15:33 |
| bergie__ | at least for now | 15:33 |
| Reggie | we can sync the sizes for the meantime | 15:33 |
| X-Fade | Sure, but basic things can look the same. | 15:33 |
| dneary | X-Fade: So if you need some design work for some pages, we should have a list | 15:33 |
| dneary | And I'd like you to bring it up on the list, if you don't mind | 15:33 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Agreed.. | 15:33 |
| bergie__ | dneary: for now, planet, forum, avatar widgets and profile page | 15:34 |
| Reggie | I think I can work with the CSS that we have. I'll start working on a vBulletin template | 15:34 |
| X-Fade | dneary: But I'll take the downloads redesign in another task: https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Downloads_catalog_improvements | 15:34 |
| timsamoff | Reggie: Great! | 15:34 |
| bergie__ | Reggie: great... try to keep that CSS as-is, and load additional CSS for the stuff you use | 15:34 |
| dneary | bergie__: Does the forum really need designing? | 15:34 |
| timsamoff | Were anyone from INdT supposed to be here today? | 15:34 |
| dneary | Avatar widgets? | 15:34 |
| bergie__ | dneary: yeah, how a person should be displayed with bigger size box, and how inline (as author of news item for instance) | 15:35 |
| dneary | And for Planet, is this enough? http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Planet_Maemo.png | 15:35 |
| timsamoff | Or how it shows up in "Edit Profile"? | 15:35 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Name with avatar can be displayed in a lot of ways.. | 15:35 |
| dneary | http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Download.png <- Downloads | 15:35 |
| bergie__ | dneary: yes, for planet that is | 15:36 |
| timsamoff | I think Downloads needs some work (commented on the List.) | 15:36 |
| bergie__ | and of course we can tune the planet design to be used for forums | 15:36 |
| X-Fade | timsamoff: Agreed. | 15:36 |
| Jaffa | bergie__: I suppose it is a base of it, yes. | 15:36 |
| bergie__ | so theoretically I have everything I need to work with | 15:37 |
| bergie__ | X-Fade: can you deal with the Downloads stuff? | 15:37 |
| X-Fade | bergie__: Yes, if we apply the general style it is already done ;) | 15:37 |
| bergie__ | good | 15:37 |
| X-Fade | bergie__: current design is no change. | 15:37 |
| bergie__ | ok... I'm signing off now | 15:37 |
| X-Fade | bergie__: I'll fill you in later.. | 15:38 |
| bergie__ | expect some maemo2midgard commits this week :-) | 15:38 |
| timsamoff | Have a good flight. | 15:38 |
| bergie__ | thanks! | 15:38 |
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| dneary | timsamoff: etrunko is here | 15:38 |
| etrunko | hey | 15:39 |
| dneary | timsamoff: OK | 15:39 |
| timsamoff | Yes. Sorry. :) | 15:39 |
| dneary | (that is, "OK, downloads could use some work") | 15:39 |
| timsamoff | But, he hasn't really be involved in the design process. | 15:39 |
| etrunko | you need me to call the other guys? | 15:39 |
| timsamoff | Unless you want to speak for Galubert! :) | 15:39 |
| dneary | etrunko: Glaubert's been locked out of the meeting, he can't get on the channell | 15:39 |
| dneary | No idea why | 15:39 |
| timsamoff | Weird. | 15:39 |
| Reggie | have him use http://www.mibbit.com/ if he's having trouble connecting via his IRC client | 15:40 |
| timsamoff | That's what I use. ;) | 15:40 |
| Reggie | yeah me too | 15:41 |
| timsamoff | In any case... There may be a bulk of work to be done if Glaubert needs to "shrink" the sidebar a little (e.g., banners, search box, etc.). | 15:41 |
| X-Fade | timsamoff: Only banners. | 15:41 |
| timsamoff | Ok. Then, it's not an issue, but... Is that a;;? | 15:42 |
| timsamoff | *all* | 15:42 |
| X-Fade | The rest can be done by cutting a slice off the image ;) | 15:42 |
| timsamoff | Ok. I'll need to go back and look at the main page design again, then. | 15:42 |
| X-Fade | timsamoff: Well you have boxes etc, but those will be cut into pieces anyway. | 15:43 |
| dneary | Reggie: Suggestion passed along | 15:43 |
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| Reggie | there you go | 15:43 |
| glaubertsouza | Hi Everyone | 15:43 |
| timsamoff | Hi, glaubertsouza! | 15:43 |
| timsamoff | So, in speaking of the Downloads page: I mentioned this on the List, but I'd like to see it designed more like the main page. | 15:44 |
| glaubertsouza | late | 15:44 |
| timsamoff | Any opinions on that? | 15:44 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza: Did you use mibbit? | 15:44 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza: That was a reply to your mail on the standard content page | 15:44 |
| glaubertsouza | yes I`ve made a nw proposal following that previous concept | 15:44 |
| dneary | Tim said: "This also goes for the Planet/Download pages). For Downloads in | 15:45 |
| dneary | particular, I'd like to keep the two "bog boxes" from the main page on top | 15:45 |
| dneary | of the main content area -- I like how they look (and work!). | 15:45 |
| dneary | " | 15:45 |
| X-Fade | timsamoff: Sure, it is a frontp page by itself. | 15:45 |
| glaubertsouza | yes | 15:45 |
| timsamoff | (With the two featured boxes on top, etc.) | 15:45 |
| Jaffa | Reggie: are you going to be able to produce new icons for "thanks" matching those of the heart/thumbs up for planet? And any other iconography in the same style? Or will you need glaubert to do that? | 15:45 |
| X-Fade | timsamoff: Although the featured boxes need a lot of code behind the scenes. | 15:45 |
| X-Fade | So we might want to go to something where we can overlay the header over a default screenshot. | 15:46 |
| timsamoff | Sure, but it could be reused, right? | 15:46 |
| timsamoff | Or not? | 15:46 |
| Reggie | I would need help creating those icons. there are a lot more like the smilies, quote, reply, etc | 15:46 |
| glaubertsouza | Dave has listed lots of icons | 15:48 |
| glaubertsouza | I`ll start to work on them | 15:48 |
| Reggie | For thanks, I was thinking of using the thumbs up for the meantime, which might work. I'll add to the list in the wiki | 15:48 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza: Yes, we need to figure out which we can reuse, and which don't fit in with the theme | 15:48 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza: I'm interested in your opinion on that | 15:48 |
| X-Fade | glaubertsouza: Reggie would need a lot more for Talk. (itT) | 15:48 |
| dneary | X-Fade: Reggie can't use the same ones for itT? | 15:49 |
| X-Fade | dneary: He has a boat load more icons ;) | 15:49 |
| timsamoff | dneary: And X-Fade is underestimating. :p | 15:50 |
| glaubertsouza | I Think as we are changing the site theme!, icons are suppose to follow a design line | 15:50 |
| timsamoff | glaubertsouza: Agreed. | 15:50 |
| Reggie | brb | 15:50 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza: Ok - so which icons do you think need to be changed, and which are nice to do, but not necessary? | 15:51 |
| dneary | (a star is a star after all) | 15:51 |
| timsamoff | dneary: I can find a hundred art students who would disagree. :p | 15:52 |
| Jaffa | If bergie/X-Fade/Reggie are doing HTML & CSS, glaubertsouza could just churn out designs & icons from a wiki page list | 15:53 |
| glaubertsouza | Ok we can make priority list, wich icons need to be changged first, (but all them will have to change, even the RSS icon if necesary.!) | 15:53 |
| timsamoff | Jaffa: I think that was the plan from last meeting. | 15:53 |
| dneary | Jaffa: Yes, that's the idea | 15:53 |
| Jaffa | timsamoff: indeed, so all the icons can just be added to the list | 15:53 |
| Jaffa | in order of priority | 15:54 |
| dneary | OK | 15:54 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza: Will you look over the list & prioritise based on what you think is needed, please? | 15:54 |
| Jaffa | Many of them may just be requirements of the forum page design - the Talk forum is higher priority than maemo.org/community/ fora as that's effectively a subset of Talk. | 15:54 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Even better, that design can be copied from Talk ;) | 15:55 |
| X-Fade | Reggie: Will talk only be a forum or will other parts need to be included somewhere else too? | 15:56 |
| dneary | Jaffa: Sorry? | 15:56 |
| glaubertsouza | if the html / css, need icons to complete the content & graphic implementation(thats where the priority comes) | 15:56 |
| dneary | the Talk forum is higher priority than community/? | 15:56 |
| X-Fade | dneary: *design* | 15:57 |
| Reggie | X-fade: I usually create a module to list the active topics, just in case we need to list them in other pars of the site | 15:58 |
| Reggie | *parts | 15:58 |
| X-Fade | Reggie: yeah, we'll talk about that integration in a separate thread ;) | 15:58 |
| Jaffa | imilar. Since they're a) a subset, b) seem to be broken; they shouldn't get any priority over Talk - which would deliver all the requisite elements. | 15:58 |
| Jaffa | dneary: the mailing list-based fora under /community/ have a subset of features of Talk. But should look very very similar. Since they're a) a subset, b) seem to be broken; they shouldn't get any priority over Talk - which would deliver all the requisite elements. | 15:58 |
| dneary | Jaffa: Not quite a subset | 15:59 |
| * Jaffa goes - to find somewhere with a better connection | 15:59 | |
| dneary | comments on downloads or news, perhaps, but the mailing lists are sufficiently different from the forum, and so is IRC | 16:00 |
| Jaffa | dneling list | 16:00 |
| dneary | Do you mean that theming mailman is a lower priority than theming Talk? | 16:00 |
| X-Fade | dneary: mailinglist is a threaded forum ;) | 16:00 |
| Jaffa | Oh FFS | 16:00 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: can you explain? I'm too broken on this n/w | 16:01 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Heh, will do that afer the meeting. Let's move on ;) | 16:01 |
| dneary | If you mean that doing a theme for mailman is less important than doing a theme for Talk, then I agree | 16:02 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Have you ever looked at the maemo.org forums? | 16:02 |
| dneary | But I didn't understand what you mean | 16:02 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Clearly not ;) | 16:02 |
| dneary | X-Fade: You mean itT? | 16:02 |
| X-Fade | Let's just drop this. | 16:03 |
| dneary | X-Fade: Or do you mean the web portal to the mailing lists that was done earlier this year? | 16:03 |
| Reggie | I think they are both important, the only thing is, who is responsible in themeing mailman? | 16:03 |
| X-Fade | Reggie: I will do that. | 16:03 |
| X-Fade | But that theming is pretty limited, so no separate design needed. | 16:03 |
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| timsamoff | Sorry: wifi issues. :( | 16:04 |
| glaubertsouza | I`ve just uploaded a new proposal for download page: http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Download_v_02.png | 16:04 |
| dneary | X-Fade, Jaffa: No need to belittle me. You obviously know what you were talking about, but it wasn't clear to me. So rather than sniggering, you could explain. I've been asking what you mean. | 16:04 |
| timsamoff | glaubertsouza: Cool, I like everything but the sidebar -- which could work, but I think the buttons need to be smaller (width). | 16:05 |
| dneary | So I assume you were talking about http://maemo.org/community/maemo-users/? | 16:05 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Yes. | 16:05 |
| dneary | I think they're mostly useless duplicates of the mailing lists | 16:05 |
| dneary | X-Fade: See, how hard would it have been to point to a URL at 15:57? | 16:06 |
| dneary | anyway - let's move on | 16:06 |
| X-Fade | Reggie: Do you need glaubert to look at a specific design items for Talk or do you think you have enough for the general theme? | 16:07 |
| Reggie | X-Fade: I think I can work with the current CSS. I'll try to make a working theme and go from there. | 16:08 |
| X-Fade | Ok, now another question: | 16:08 |
| X-Fade | Do we want to work in public while we create all the styles for all services. | 16:09 |
| dneary | Yes | 16:09 |
| dneary | Why wouldn't we? | 16:09 |
| X-Fade | Or do we want to show it only to the team that is working on it and do a big synchonised release ;) | 16:09 |
| X-Fade | dneary: I guess you are more into marketing than I am? | 16:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most people wont notice anyway. | 16:10 |
| dneary | To anyone outside maemo, it'll be a big synchronised release, and to people within maemo, they'll be getting regular updates & sneak peeks | 16:10 |
| X-Fade | Or do we say we don't care about that.. | 16:10 |
| Reggie | My initial plan was to work on a 'secret' URL ;) | 16:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | So they'll be wowed enough when the real site is updated. | 16:10 |
| dneary | I agree with GeneralAntilles, and I don't think there's much to win by doing a tadaaa! | 16:10 |
| X-Fade | Ok, well it seems that is clear then ;) | 16:10 |
| dneary | Let's finish up with this: | 16:10 |
| dneary | List of decisions & actions | 16:11 |
| dneary | Henri, Lauris, Niels: continue working on migration to midgard, new site to be updated live at newstyle.maemo.org | 16:12 |
| dneary | (is that the right list of people?) | 16:12 |
| X-Fade | For now, yes. | 16:12 |
| dneary | Glaubert: Work on providing new versions of icons on http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Improving_maemo.org/Graphics | 16:13 |
| dneary | Reggie: Start working on vBulletin theme | 16:13 |
| X-Fade | Progress, problems, specifics can be recorded here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Implement_new_maemo.org_layout_and_style | 16:13 |
| dneary | Niels: Propose list of pages which need new(er) designs from maemo.org | 16:13 |
| dneary | X-Fade: You think a new wiki page is needed? How about using the Sprint page? | 16:14 |
| dneary | OK - reading that page | 16:14 |
| dneary | Yeah, there's a lot of info in there | 16:14 |
| X-Fade | dneary: It has been there for a while ;) | 16:14 |
| X-Fade | dneary: It will help us with synchronising the efforts and see the progress of the complete project. | 16:15 |
| dneary | Dave & Tim: Revise content proposal for Support (gah!!) | 16:15 |
| dneary | Dave: Track progress of everyone | 16:15 |
| dneary | Did I miss anyone? | 16:15 |
| X-Fade | glaubertsouza: Follow up on icons and requested designs? | 16:16 |
| X-Fade | Other than that, I think we got it? | 16:16 |
| timsamoff | dneary: I did some work on Support last night. | 16:16 |
| dneary | timsamoff: I saw that | 16:16 |
| dneary | glaubert: Prioritise the icons | 16:17 |
| dneary | For the requested designs: I think you should propose them to the list first | 16:17 |
| dneary | I want to evaluate how much work is involved before committing to adding new stuff to the design workloads | 16:17 |
| X-Fade | Sure and subscribe to the wiki page, so you can see the changes.. | 16:18 |
| dneary | OK - thanks everyone! As with last week, I'll post minutes, and I'd like us to meet again at 14h UTC next Tuesday | 16:18 |
| Reggie | thanks all | 16:18 |
| dneary | X-Fade: I'm subscribed to many wiki pages | 16:18 |
| dneary | X-Fade: Do you know a way to subscribe to a hierarchy, like in MoinMoin? | 16:18 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Yeah, just a reminder for others too. | 16:19 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Ask our mediawiki guru.. | 16:19 |
| * X-Fade points at GeneralAntilles | 16:19 | |
| * GeneralAntilles hides in the corner. | 16:19 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I just watch the recent changes list. | 16:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | What do you mean by "hierarchy"? | 16:19 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, me too. | 16:19 |
| X-Fade | Everything under a page.. | 16:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh | 16:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Uh, dunno. | 16:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | I doubt there's a way. | 16:20 |
| timsamoff | There may be a MW plugin for that. | 16:20 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Everything under Task:Improving_maemo.org for example | 16:20 |
| X-Fade | Put recent changes in your rss reader and you'll know too. | 16:20 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: In MoinMoin, you would watch Task:Improving.* | 16:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Recent Changes is pretty quite, usually. | 16:21 |
| dneary | or Task:Improving_maemo.org.* | 16:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Especially if you turn on the js for histories. | 16:21 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Do you have a condensed version or something? | 16:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Preferences | 16:21 |
| dneary | At one stage I was at over 100 changes in the RSS feed per day | 16:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Click on "Recent changes" | 16:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Check "Enhanced recent changes (JavaScript)" | 16:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then viewing https://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Recentchanges is a lot less painful. | 16:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't use the RSS, sooo. . . . | 16:22 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, the javascript one hides multiple edits by the same person of the same page. | 16:23 |
| X-Fade | Very nice. | 16:23 |
| dneary | OK, thanks for the tip | 16:24 |
| timsamoff | http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WatchSubpages | 16:24 |
| dneary | And thanks everyone for the meeting | 16:24 |
| dneary | I feel like we're getting closer! | 16:24 |
| timsamoff | :) | 16:24 |
| dneary | timsamoff: Thanks | 16:25 |
| timsamoff | Just need someone to install it. ;) | 16:25 |
| dneary | X-Fade: Any chance that I might get a provisional schedule (breakdown of work with guesstimate delivery dates) for the maemo2009 style? | 16:25 |
| X-Fade | Next meeting you will see a styled site. | 16:25 |
| X-Fade | But there will be a lot of issues then. | 16:26 |
| X-Fade | Which we can then discuss. | 16:26 |
| dneary | OK | 16:26 |
| dneary | Next meeting: Tuesday 27th | 16:26 |
| dneary | 14h UTC | 16:26 |
| dneary | Bye all | 16:26 |
| timsamoff | Bye. | 16:26 |
| glaubertsouza | bye | 16:26 |
| X-Fade | dneary: You can plan an event for that on the site. | 16:27 |
| X-Fade | Unless people think that clutters the events list? | 16:27 |
| dneary | X-Fade: Link? | 16:27 |
| -!- GeneralAntilles changed the topic of #maemo-meeting to: Web Design meeting 2009-01-27 @ 14:00 UTC | http://openbossa.andrecunha.com/maemo/ | https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Improving_maemo.org | 16:27 | |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, what else do we have in there? FOSDEM? :P | 16:28 |
| X-Fade | http://maemo.org/news/events/create/event/ | 16:28 |
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