| Jaffa | Good afternoon everyone to the September sprint meeting | 15:31 |
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| X-Fade | hi | 15:31 |
| Jaffa | Hmm. Time discrepancy between my box and watch/phone/laptop | 15:31 |
| JimiDini | hi :) | 15:31 |
| andre__ | ahoj. | 15:31 |
| jeremiah | This sprint meeting came awfully abruptly. ;] | 15:31 |
| danielwilms | hello | 15:31 |
| bergie | hi all | 15:32 |
| jeremiah | hi bergie | 15:32 |
| Jaffa | jeremiah: *Advertising* came abruptly; however each sprint meeting is the first Tuesday of the month at 13:30 UTC ;-) | 15:32 |
| Jaffa | And it was advertised in the minutes of the last meeting; but these are excuses - sorry. | 15:32 |
| jeremiah | Jaffa: Yes, but I had forgotten that fact. :[ | 15:32 |
| Jaffa | jeremiah: Sorry :) | 15:32 |
| jeremiah | Not your fault, you shouldn't have to remind us. :P | 15:32 |
| Jaffa | Fortunately, since this is the last meeting before the next council election -it'll be the last one I'm chairing. So thank you to everyone in advance, and thanks for all your help & support over the past 6 months. | 15:32 |
| jeremiah | Jaffa: Are you not running for the next council? | 15:33 |
| Jaffa | jeremiah: Probably not. | 15:33 |
| jeremiah | :( | 15:33 |
| VDVsx | bahh | 15:33 |
| Jaffa | ta :) | 15:33 |
| jeremiah | Its a lotta work I imagine. | 15:34 |
| VDVsx | Jaffa, I promise beers in Amsterdam :) | 15:34 |
| zerojay | No doubt. | 15:34 |
| jeremiah | w00t! | 15:34 |
| Jaffa | Anyway, today's agenda is the same thing we do every time: quick overview of any outstanding MUSTs/SHOULDs and anything interesting about the completed ones; then committments for the next 4 weeks and AOB. | 15:34 |
| Jaffa | VDVsx: I'll hold you to that :) | 15:34 |
| jeremiah | Right. | 15:34 |
| dneary | hi all | 15:35 |
| Jaffa | 1) REVIEW OF LAST SPRINT | 15:35 |
| Jaffa | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints/August_09#Tasks | 15:35 |
| Jaffa | hi dneary :) | 15:35 |
| Jaffa | Thanks everyone for the last minute push on statuses, btw. We're getting much better about it :) | 15:35 |
| sopi | hello | 15:35 |
| Jaffa | So, starting at the top - 9.08-01: sopi? | 15:36 |
| sopi | yes. got no time to start it and i did not want to rush in the last minute. | 15:36 |
| sopi | so let's push it to Sept. it takes only a day, max. | 15:36 |
| Jaffa | OK. | 15:36 |
| sopi | i am sorry for that. | 15:36 |
| Jaffa | However, 9.08-02 and 9.08-03 complete :-) | 15:38 |
| Jaffa | Anything to add? | 15:38 |
| jeremiah | Yeah, I got a lot more karma now! | 15:38 |
| jeremiah | :) | 15:38 |
| sopi | Karma points are calculated nicely, although the forum where the mails are shown is buggy. | 15:38 |
| Jaffa | jeremiah: Woohoo :) | 15:38 |
| sopi | i think we can fix the forum later, it was not super important how the threads rendered there.. | 15:39 |
| Jaffa | If we do it again, I'd like to see us somehow use a staging db so there isn't a handful of days where the karma can't be trusted. Dunno about the logistics - this is me being all PHBey :) | 15:39 |
| Jaffa | sopi: Agreed. | 15:39 |
| sopi | Jaffa: planning of the new server farm is just on its way | 15:39 |
| sopi | we will have more servers, and more power. | 15:40 |
| sopi | so yes, next time we can do it wiser. | 15:40 |
| Jaffa | sopi: cool | 15:40 |
| Jaffa | Anything else on karma? | 15:40 |
| Jaffa | If not, we'll move on to X-Fade | 15:40 |
| X-Fade | Basic functionally is in place, blocking on extras-testing qa definition and more people with Maemo5 to actually test the apps. | 15:40 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: What's your main focus atm? | 15:41 |
| Jaffa | Is it the promotion scripts from -devel -> -testing? | 15:41 |
| X-Fade | There are a few things I want to do as separate tasks, but the basic interface seems to be working. | 15:41 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: promotion devel->testing seems to be working ok. | 15:41 |
| X-Fade | The part I can't really test is testing->extras as we don't have everything discussed yet. | 15:42 |
| VDVsx | many kudos to X-fade for the package interface :) | 15:42 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: If the basic UI is working; should 9.06-05 be closed? | 15:42 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, if we take the remaining things as separate tasks, you can. | 15:42 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: up to you as much as anyone; but separate discrete tasks good | 15:43 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: I'll be working on it this month a lot, so administration doesn't matter for me. As long as it gets done. | 15:43 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: if it's all or nothing this month, then it doesn't matter. If there's any possibility bits might slip - or it's not clear when it's "done", we should have separate tasks. | 15:45 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Yeah, just close it and I'll create a list of new tasks. | 15:45 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Working more than 40 hours a week on this alone, won't be off my mind anyway ;) | 15:46 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Cool | 15:47 |
| Jaffa | jeremiah: 9.08-04 - minimae (must): 90% | 15:47 |
| jeremiah | I need to find a better way to hook in the minimae script to the incoming packages. | 15:48 |
| jeremiah | The tests are all there in Maemian, but maemian is like lintian | 15:48 |
| jeremiah | designed to be run by the developer | 15:48 |
| jeremiah | minimae is meant to run over the newly built package and check stuff | 15:48 |
| jeremiah | But since there is a lag between upload and build | 15:48 |
| jeremiah | my inotify script has to sleep | 15:49 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: I have a hook in the autobuilder for that. | 15:49 |
| jeremiah | So after discussing this a bit with ed | 15:49 |
| Jaffa | Ah. So this is similar to the problem Ed Bartosh, Marius & Graham Cobb have been discussing about multi-package builds. | 15:49 |
| Jaffa | (on -devel) | 15:49 |
| jeremiah | X-Fade: Yeah, he basically said to use that | 15:49 |
| Jaffa | Right :) | 15:49 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: One that runs just before the build and one that runs after the build results come back. | 15:49 |
| jeremiah | Jaffa: Yes. | 15:49 |
| jeremiah | X-Fade: Where is the second one? | 15:49 |
| jeremiah | I should use that. | 15:49 |
| jeremiah | It also turns out that ed is doing some testsing too | 15:50 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: Let's discuss that after the meeting ;) | 15:50 |
| jeremiah | so maybe co-ordinate | 15:50 |
| jeremiah | X-Fade: Okay. :) | 15:50 |
| Jaffa | Cool. So carry over to Sept, or a separate task for managing the link? Sounds like it's the same task really. | 15:50 |
| jeremiah | Jaffa: It is the same task really, but the code is mostly written | 15:51 |
| jeremiah | It just needs to find the right time to run | 15:51 |
| Jaffa | jeremiah: Cool; I suggest carrying it over? | 15:51 |
| jeremiah | Yes please. | 15:51 |
| Jaffa | Ta. | 15:51 |
| jeremiah | I would like to add a "could" or "should" and that is built a mirror of the repos on tessting | 15:51 |
| jeremiah | Though I doubt I'll get to it. :/ | 15:52 |
| * Jaffa nods; we'll get to that shortly :) | 15:52 | |
| jeremiah | Want to prepare my presentation as well this month | 15:52 |
| jeremiah | oh sorry. | 15:52 |
| Jaffa | JimiDini: 9.06-07: app karma (must): 90% | 15:52 |
| Jaffa | Saw the formula and test data on the mailing list. Looks good. | 15:52 |
| Jaffa | If it's just a case of getting feedback on the formula; suggest you give another prod now there's more data and if there aren't any major objections - progressing with it. | 15:53 |
| Jaffa | JimiDini seems to be AWOL. | 15:53 |
| JimiDini | Jaffa: My formula is actually already implemented in code (not online yet). | 15:53 |
| Jaffa | Ah. Bingo. | 15:53 |
| Jaffa | Cool. | 15:53 |
| JimiDini | It is possible to tweak it now or later. | 15:54 |
| JimiDini | I am going to move formula online, so everyone can see how it looks in reality and we can change it later | 15:54 |
| Jaffa | JimiDini: Agreed | 15:54 |
| Jaffa | JimiDini: Is that a 5 minute job, and the task therefore closable? | 15:55 |
| JimiDini | And if everyone likes it, it's just a question of putting new URL somewhere on front-page :) | 15:55 |
| X-Fade | I will change the 'HOT' block to list apps based on karma then. | 15:55 |
| Jaffa | And we can see how it feels. | 15:55 |
| Jaffa | Sounds like a plan. | 15:55 |
| JimiDini | that is more like 15-minutes, but, yes, I guess we can close it | 15:55 |
| Jaffa | danielwilms: 9.07-01 SSO (must): 60% | 15:56 |
| Jaffa | Seems to be lingering, this one. | 15:56 |
| danielwilms | ups...sorry, forgot to update | 15:56 |
| danielwilms | single sign on and out are done...now the api for the user-info has to be implemented | 15:57 |
| bergie | which is a separate task :-) | 15:57 |
| bergie | or at least should be | 15:57 |
| danielwilms | have to talk to alexey next week one day to get the things together | 15:58 |
| danielwilms | yep | 15:58 |
| bergie | I'll be working on that with danielwilms and JimiDini | 15:58 |
| danielwilms | bergie: good | 15:58 |
| danielwilms | bergie: should be for sep | 15:58 |
| JimiDini | yup. we'll do it in september | 15:58 |
| dneary | fyi, I have to scoot in an hour | 15:58 |
| danielwilms | that's it from my side ;) | 15:59 |
| Jaffa | Cool | 16:01 |
| Jaffa | qgil isn't around - but has given an update on 9.08-06 (summit budget) | 16:01 |
| Jaffa | 0% is a bit harsh, since the sponsorship budget's firmed up at least | 16:01 |
| Jaffa | timsamoff is in Stuttgart, but 9.08-08 is an ongoing task into September | 16:01 |
| Jaffa | VDVsx: 9.08-09 Summit buzz (must): 100% - anything to add? | 16:02 |
| VDVsx | done for this month, I intend to continue with the task in the next sprint | 16:02 |
| Jaffa | Cool | 16:02 |
| Jaffa | Moving on to outstanding SHOULDs | 16:02 |
| Jaffa | qgil's 9.08-10 - carrying over (QA process). | 16:03 |
| VDVsx | ok, thanks | 16:03 |
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| Jaffa | andre__: 9.04-05 Bugzilla newstyle. 80% | 16:03 |
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| Jaffa | Need a hand/testers/palm it off/carry it over? | 16:03 |
| andre__ | was working on it, but then spent lots of time on Fremantle stuff (discussing, reproduce a bug and run into 3 new issues ;-) , some other stuff, lately testing 3rd party apps)... | 16:04 |
| andre__ | later on this month I want testers, yes | 16:04 |
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| andre__ | make it a MUST please. I want to get this off the list :) | 16:04 |
| * Jaffa hasn't done anything on 9.08-11 (documenting & communicating packages interface) | 16:05 | |
| Jaffa | Happy to carry it over, unless anyone else wants it and/or has comments? | 16:06 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps' 9.06-09 (vendor h/w repos) - presumably carrying over. | 16:06 |
| Jaffa | sopi: Want to carry over 9.08-12? (could) | 16:07 |
| Jaffa | jeremiah: Want to carry over 9.04-08? (could) | 16:07 |
| jeremiah | Well, if it is useful to people, otherwise, maybe not | 16:08 |
| sopi | yes, i will complete it in Sept. | 16:08 |
| jeremiah | ITP and package adoption is really useful in debian since it provides a vector to get involved. | 16:09 |
| Jaffa | jeremiah: I'd guess it may be more useful with Fremantle? But the packages stuff/minimae etc. being more useful | 16:09 |
| jeremiah | But I don't hear a lot of people clamoring for a way to do "intent to pacakge" bugs | 16:09 |
| jeremiah | Yeah, we can keep it. It is not hard to finish and I can blog about it, you may be right taht it is useful for fremantle | 16:09 |
| Jaffa | OK, cool | 16:11 |
| Jaffa | 2) NEW TASKS | 16:11 |
| Jaffa | New tasks to be committed to by everyone? | 16:11 |
| X-Fade | - Push Packaging Policy updates (Must) | 16:11 |
| X-Fade | - Add source packages and repositories to interface (Should) | 16:11 |
| X-Fade | - Add extra info fields from control files to interface (Could) | 16:11 |
| X-Fade | - Put Maemo 5 section for Downloads online (When first package enters Extras) (Should) | 16:11 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade gets the prize for most organised :) | 16:12 |
| jeremiah | I would like to add a "could" and that is built a mirror of the repos on testing | 16:12 |
| bergie | Jaffa: did you already write down the account sync API? | 16:12 |
| dneary | 1. Run council election (MUST) | 16:12 |
| Jaffa | bergie: not really - having them below the title above would be handy | 16:12 |
| dneary | 2. Finalise community days in Summit (me, VDVsx and baloo) (MUST) | 16:12 |
| danielwilms | implementing sync-API endpoint for garage (could) | 16:12 |
| sopi | - participating in the server migration planning (this activity is led by tekojo) | 16:12 |
| jeremiah | - participating in the server migration planning (this activity is led by tekojo) | 16:13 |
| dneary | 3. Documentation issues - I will need some guidance on priorities for Fremantle | 16:13 |
| dneary | I will have some at least SHOULD stuff there | 16:13 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Can I suggest: 'Document Extras testing/QA process' and related items? | 16:13 |
| dneary | Unfortunately, library.maemo.org again moves to the month after | 16:13 |
| dneary | X-Fade: You can certainly suggest | 16:13 |
| X-Fade | dneary: But will you take it? :) | 16:13 |
| dneary | X-Fade: I prefer when documentation is written by people who know what they're talking about though :) | 16:14 |
| dneary | Which would make it a job for you or Jeremiah, and I would certainly help editing & reviewing the document afterwards | 16:14 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Nice opportunity for you to find out how everything works :) | 16:14 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: I could keep 9.08-11 (which seems to cover the start of that), and hand it over to dneary to improve? | 16:16 |
| Jaffa | Not having to editorialise my own content so much would be refreshing :) | 16:16 |
| dneary | X-Fade: Only increases the likelihood I won't get it done this month | 16:16 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Sure. | 16:16 |
| Jaffa | OK, I'll keep it and make it a MUST | 16:18 |
| dneary | I will be reviewing a lot of outstanding documentation bugs this month before the official release of fremantle documentation | 16:18 |
| dneary | I don't want to overcommit & under-deliver | 16:18 |
| Jaffa | Agreed | 16:19 |
| Jaffa | So, our high-level items for the end of this sprint would be: | 16:19 |
| Jaffa | * Packages being usable (and used) for Fremantle testing by people with devices in hand | 16:20 |
| Jaffa | * Some automatic checks to prevent duff packages getting into -testing | 16:20 |
| Jaffa | * SSO: accounts sync API between various systems | 16:20 |
| Jaffa | * Published documentation on server upgrades | 16:21 |
| Jaffa | * Council election | 16:21 |
| Jaffa | * Community days of summit finalised | 16:21 |
| Jaffa | * Sponsorhsip rejection/approval requests sent for everyone (a new MUST for me) | 16:21 |
| Jaffa | Any other big items from that list I'm missing (trying to instil a flavour of everything that people will be primarily working on) | 16:22 |
| jeremiah | Capacity planning for fremantle? | 16:22 |
| Jaffa | * Capacity planning for Fremantle :) | 16:23 |
| jeremiah | \o/ | 16:23 |
| Jaffa | Anybody have any other low-level tasks, or high-level goals they think should be made clear? | 16:23 |
| Jaffa | Anybody have nothing to do? | 16:23 |
| Jaffa | Anybody think we've missed something? | 16:23 |
| Jaffa | Anybody have any AOB? | 16:23 |
| tekojo | was the server moce taken into account? | 16:24 |
| Jaffa | "into account"? | 16:24 |
| tekojo | (sorry for being late, small child) | 16:24 |
| X-Fade | tekojo: No, that is BAU :) | 16:24 |
| jeremiah | tekojo: Yeah, we're calling that capacity planning. | 16:24 |
| tekojo | X-Fade ok, thanks | 16:24 |
| sopi | tekojo: i also mentioned as a task for me. | 16:24 |
| Jaffa | Anything else? (we may finish a meeting early - this must be a success criteria to bow out on ;-)) | 16:25 |
| jeremiah | whoohoo | 16:26 |
| Jaffa | And I've got a lovely long flight to Stuttgart to sort the minutes out on :) | 16:26 |
| Jaffa | (wiki editing on a plane != fun, though) | 16:26 |
| jeremiah | Das ist nichte ser gut | 16:26 |
| danielwilms | :D | 16:27 |
| Jaffa | Oh, and I can't speak German (ein beer, bitte) | 16:27 |
| jeremiah | Simple, bitte ein bit! | 16:27 |
| tekojo | Kan ich dein N900 haben, bitte? | 16:27 |
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| Jaffa | I got that one :) | 16:27 |
| Jaffa | I think we've finished, then! | 16:28 |
| zerojay | Lol | 16:28 |
| jeremiah | heh | 16:28 |
| Jaffa | Thanks all! Remember to vote (and or stand) in the election! | 16:28 |
| danielwilms | :))) | 16:28 |
| sopi | thanks all! | 16:28 |
| danielwilms | bye bye | 16:28 |
| zerojay | What about the task proposals? | 16:28 |
| jeremiah | auf viedersein? | 16:28 |
| VDVsx | thanks all | 16:28 |
| Jaffa | zerojay: Ah. You want to suggest something for someone *else*? | 16:28 |
| danielwilms | jeremiah: close: auf wiedersehen :) | 16:29 |
| jeremiah | oops. | 16:29 |
| zerojay | Eh... Don't worry about it. | 16:29 |
| Jaffa | ..., pet. | 16:29 |
| jeremiah | Now I know at least. | 16:29 |
| jeremiah | :) | 16:29 |
| Jaffa | zerojay: Email -community and try and get someone to volunteer, I think and/or take ownership. | 16:29 |
| zerojay | Glezos, we'll get in touch. | 16:29 |
| sopi | bye! | 16:29 |
| * Jaffa has never been that convinced about that part of the process - and now won't be worrying about it ;-)) | 16:29 | |
| zerojay | Ok | 16:29 |
| jeremiah | and zehr is zehr, not ser right? | 16:29 |
| andre__ | bye | 16:29 |
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| tekojo | bye! | 16:29 |
| danielwilms | sehr :) | 16:29 |
| Jaffa | Bye! | 16:29 |
| glezos | zerojay: just saw your email, sorry for being late! | 16:29 |
| jeremiah | ah | 16:29 |
| andre__ | (impressive. next meeting in german only it seems.) | 16:29 |
| jeremiah | well then, ciao! | 16:30 |
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| zerojay | No biggie. Missed nothing anyways. | 16:30 |
| danielwilms | bye! | 16:30 |
| glezos | Jaffa, zerojay: Please let me know if you have any questions. I'm hoping to be able to get in touch at the Summit. | 16:30 |
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| zerojay | I should be there as well. | 16:30 |
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| Jaffa | glezos: Sorry, you are? :) | 16:40 |
| andre__ | Argh. Forgot to say that I'm on holidays from Sep 08-15. | 16:40 |
| glezos | Jaffa: oh, sorry. I'm Dimitris Glezos, lead developer of Transifex. | 16:40 |
| glezos | Jaffa: I saw your reply on a forum thread about our efforts re-engineer our L10n workflow and infrastructure | 16:41 |
| glezos | here's the relevant task: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Evaluate_Transifex | 16:41 |
| glezos | We're planning on providing the community with all the tools needed to efficiently ship Harmattan (and next releases, of course) in as many languages as possible | 16:43 |
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| glezos | Jaffa: I'll set up a plan with zerojay on the above page with rationale on what we're planning on doing, and hopefully at the Summit we'll get a chance to host a BoF to talk about our proposed L10n roadmap | 16:48 |
| Jaffa | glezos: Ah, I see - yeah. Cool. | 16:50 |
| Jaffa | glezos: Cool | 16:50 |
| glezos | Jaffa: Is a particular member of the Council leading the Summit sponsorship decisions? I'd like to apply for consideration, if that wouldn't be a problem. | 16:52 |
| glezos | This is because I think the Summit would be an excellent opportunity to discuss in detail with our translators (both external and internal) and decide our strategy and roadmap. | 16:54 |
| glezos | GeneralAntilles, in case this interests you too ^^ | 16:56 |
| Jaffa | glezos: We're doing it as a group. I *think* you already applied | 17:05 |
| Jaffa | I can't remember what the majority vote decision was (we're prioritising people who are talking and long-standing contributors who are still making contributions) | 17:05 |
| glezos | Jaffa: ah, excellent. Let me know if you need any other information then! | 17:06 |
| VDVsx | Jaffa, and please don't forget some speakers, otherwise it will ruin our schedule ;) | 17:07 |
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| Jaffa | VDVsx: That's the "are talking" bit. It was a composing "and", rather than a boolean "and" ;-) | 17:08 |
| glezos | Jaffa: Understood. I'm hoping we can also take into consideration future decisions and contributions then. :) | 17:08 |
| VDVsx | Jaffa, true, my bad :) | 17:08 |
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| glezos | Jaffa: FYI, I just submitted a talk at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Submissions#Towards_painless_yet_quality_translations | 18:05 |
| Jaffa | glezos: Ta | 18:20 |
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