| GeneralAntilles | For the new folks, there's an overview of the process on http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints | 14:55 |
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| dneary | Hey hey! | 14:57 |
| dneary | As Pink said, I'm coming up, so... | 14:58 |
| jeremiah_ | Always good to quote Pink. | 14:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Alright, hello everybody. | 15:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hopefully qgil will wander in | 15:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tim's not able to make it. | 15:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm going to run through the tasks by commit date this time (oldest to newest—recommended by qgil) | 15:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, shall we get started then? | 15:02 |
| X-Fade | Sure | 15:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, Downloads redesign? | 15:02 |
| danielwilms | hi all...yep | 15:02 |
| X-Fade | I had no time to advance on that between the new site design work and the repository work.. | 15:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't blame you. ;) | 15:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Carry it over to next sprint, then? | 15:03 |
| X-Fade | But I hope to work pick some changes for next sprint.. | 15:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, how about the external repositories? Same story, I presume. | 15:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | (didn't help with that even though I said I would) | 15:04 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, we need to put that on Jeremiah, I think.. | 15:04 |
| X-Fade | ;) | 15:04 |
| jeremiah_ | I hope to do some of the repo work, or at least pick up some of what Niels wants to give away. ;) | 15:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | That sounds like a good plan. | 15:04 |
| jeremiah_ | Should we say that I do fremantle repos? | 15:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gives jeremiah_ a nice opportunity to open communications with some maintainers. | 15:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | jeremiah_, new tasks come later, for now we're just reviewing the existing stuff. ;) | 15:05 |
| jeremiah_ | GeneralAntilles: Gotcha. | 15:05 |
| danielwilms | I talked to niels today and try to help on the repo | 15:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, jeremiah_, do we want to transfer ownership of the external repositories task to jeremiah_? | 15:05 |
| jeremiah_ | Fine with me. | 15:06 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Sure, or backlog it somehow. This is not going to be solved by next sprint. | 15:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, a good point. | 15:06 |
| X-Fade | Would be nice though ;) | 15:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | We didn't manage to 100% a single task this sprint, so backlog doesn't sound bad. | 15:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, backlogged and transfered to jeremiah_ | 15:06 |
| * jeremiah_ plunk | 15:06 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | No qgil, so next up is dneary. | 15:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, maemo.org/support? | 15:07 |
| dneary | Hi there | 15:07 |
| dneary | started the plain web page just now | 15:07 |
| dneary | Should have it done within a half hour of the end of the meeting | 15:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, OK, that sounds good. | 15:08 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: I was 100% on the task "run the Community Council referenda" | 15:08 |
| dneary | It never got added to the list | 15:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, looks like dneary's our winner for this Sprint, then. :D | 15:08 |
| dneary | I've also made great progress on "Modify election application to handle preferential voting" | 15:08 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Next time, add those tasks to the wiki page please ;) | 15:08 |
| dneary | Next sprint Big Stuff: Finis modifying the council software to actually *count* the votes | 15:08 |
| X-Fade | dneary: You did great work, show it! | 15:09 |
| dneary | X-Fade: I did bring them up during the last sprint meeting | 15:09 |
| dneary | And thanks :) | 15:09 |
| dneary | And run the council elections | 15:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Indeed. | 15:09 |
| dneary | And probably dive into the Maemo Summit pro'ly | 15:09 |
| dneary | prop'ly | 15:09 |
| dneary | And deploy the new site (X-Fade, back me up - definitely 100% this sprint?) | 15:10 |
| X-Fade | dneary: You probably didn't notice because you didn't file a single activity log report? | 15:10 |
| dneary | X-Fade: That might be the reason | 15:10 |
| dneary | X-Fade: I should write a GNOME Do plug-in to add daily sprint reports | 15:11 |
| dneary | Or a twitter to daily sprint report bridge | 15:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade and I were discussing making it easier to add progress reports earlier. | 15:11 |
| X-Fade | dneary: I think we should add publish www.maemo.org new styling as a task, yes. | 15:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | We can hit on the new tasks later, though. ;) | 15:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, no Quim again. | 15:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | and missing ferenc and tekojo | 15:11 |
| dneary | OK | 15:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, happen to know what git's status is? | 15:11 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Working beta. | 15:12 |
| jeremiah_ | GeneralAntilles: Do you mean git on garage.maemo.org? | 15:12 |
| jeremiah_ | Because I am using it on g.m.o | 15:12 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Still some issues, not finished. | 15:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, I suppose the "Define what is needed to get git on maemo.org" part is finished? | 15:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | jeremiah_, yeah, that's the one. | 15:13 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Probably, it is now in the implementation phase. | 15:13 |
| X-Fade | But I'd need to ask Ferenc for a status update. | 15:13 |
| jeremiah_ | One known issue is that when you add a www/ dir with git, it does not get populated to the home page for the project | 15:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, think you could do that then maybe commit a "Deploy git.maemo.org" task if appropriate? | 15:14 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Technically tekojo is owner of this task and Ferenc is doing the work. | 15:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good point, actually, do we have a bugzilla component for it or should we just file under Garage? | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | if it's possible to develop https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3319&group_id=841&atid=3136 and https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3320&group_id=841&atid=3136 regarding git.maemo.org it would be immensely useful :P (side point, apologies for breaking in) | 15:15 |
| X-Fade | I don't know what they agreed upon. | 15:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, OK, I'll bug tekojo and find out. | 15:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hopefully he'll pop in before the end. | 15:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Moving on, then. | 15:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade and/or bergie, implementing the new layout and style? | 15:15 |
| X-Fade | Lots of progress, not done yet. | 15:16 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Have you seen newstyle.maemo.org? | 15:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, yeah, we were poking around the new wiki style earlier. | 15:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's looking quite spiffy. | 15:16 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Shhhht ;) Secret ;) | 15:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, open! open! open! :P | 15:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | We gotta show Nokia the right way to do it. ;) | 15:17 |
| X-Fade | Well that one is also not done yet ;) | 15:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | We're definitely on track for a March deployment, though? | 15:17 |
| X-Fade | End of March, yes. | 15:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Excellent--carrying over | 15:18 |
| RST38h | newstyle.maemo.org is kinda awkward | 15:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, end of March, not end of February. ;) | 15:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, web design meetings are every Tuesday at 1400 UTC. | 15:19 |
| RST38h | General: I do not think I can influence the design by participating in a meeting | 15:19 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Well, you can't in this one. | 15:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, still no Quim. andre__, bugzilla patches? | 15:20 |
| andre__ | yeah... moving slowly, but having an overview now | 15:20 |
| andre__ | i want to come up with a basic schedule (and separate steps) for it in the next week so it becomes more transparent, for me too | 15:20 |
| RST38h | So, just making a comment that it is kinda awkward (two input boxes in a column for search and login and featured programs seem out of place) | 15:20 |
| RST38h | And of course huge wasted space at the right, just as I warned before | 15:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, OK, so we'll commit just the one for now and you can break it up late at your discretion. | 15:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, here is neither the time nor the place. | 15:21 |
| andre__ | not much else to say; apart from that usual business (feature jar, fremantle alpha changelog, usual business) | 15:21 |
| andre__ | yupp, that's the plan | 15:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/late/later/ | 15:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, sounds good. Carrying over. | 15:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | jeremiah_, welcome to the spotlight! ;) | 15:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Welcome, congratulations, and all that again. :) | 15:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | lintian for QA? How's progress? | 15:22 |
| jeremiah_ | lintian for qa? I think progress is pretty good | 15:22 |
| jeremiah_ | lintian will not make apps fail to build | 15:23 |
| jeremiah_ | which is good | 15:23 |
| jeremiah_ | there are lots of things to do | 15:23 |
| jeremiah_ | we'll need to codify policy so developers know why lintian is complaining | 15:23 |
| jeremiah_ | And to put its error messages on the web somewhere | 15:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | The task was "analyzing the suitability of lintian for QA", so I guess we can mark that completed? | 15:24 |
| X-Fade | Progress has also been made to get the changes Nokia made to their lintian. | 15:24 |
| jeremiah_ | I can't tell you how many times I got no hits for a lintian warning. | 15:24 |
| jeremiah_ | GeneralAntilles: Sorry - yes, that task is complete | 15:24 |
| jeremiah_ | Yeah, lintian has been adapted inside Nokia somewhere and we are supposed to get those patches | 15:24 |
| jeremiah_ | I have set up a site on garage and called the new tool maemian | 15:25 |
| jeremiah_ | I have not yet spoken about it officially because it is not quite ready | 15:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, sounds good. So I guess wecan look at "Maemoizing" lintian and deploying it for the autobuilder/Extras for the next Sprint? | 15:26 |
| jeremiah_ | GeneralAntilles: Yes, that sounds like a plan | 15:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, excellent. | 15:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Looks like I skipped Hirvinen (sorry, Hirvinen!). | 15:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, Hirvinen, application karma? | 15:26 |
| Hirvinen | No resolution on what it is that should be done. | 15:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, discussion is still ongoing. | 15:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | How about we commit putting together a plan for the next Sprint, then? | 15:28 |
| X-Fade | There have been some discussions on the mailinglist. I think we need to use karma for applications to show 'hot' applications. | 15:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then we can focus on implementation once everybody's decided what they actually want. :D | 15:28 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, conclusion needs to be made and then Hirvinen can start. | 15:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hirvinen, do you want to handle finalizing the plan, or hand it off to somebody else? | 15:29 |
| Hirvinen | I can make a plan. | 15:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, cool, we'll commit "Finalize plan for application karma", then? | 15:30 |
| Hirvinen | Who should I get to ok it before implementing? | 15:30 |
| Hirvinen | And do you mean "agree on a plan during March" that + implementation. | 15:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade? I think you probably have a good vision on what we really want and why we want it. | 15:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hirvinen, well, I'm not convinced that we'll figure out a plan in time for you to actually implement it by the end of the month. ;) | 15:31 |
| X-Fade | Sure. | 15:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | If we do and you can, that'll be wonderful, but swift and agile planning has never been one of our strong points. :P | 15:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK then, we'll get the plan together this Sprint, X-Fade will be the man with the launch codes, and if we manage to get together in time for Hirvinen to implement it, great, if not, we'll get it done the sprint after. | 15:33 |
| Hirvinen | How about a 7 days from this == 12th day deadline for accepting the plan? I'll probably have time to implement unless the agreed on plan is more complicated than I expect? | 15:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hirvinen, that sounds good. We'll shoot for that as a soft deadline, then. | 15:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll see what I can do to drive some more discussion and we'll get this thing settled. | 15:34 |
| Hirvinen | ok | 15:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, with that we move on to the next Sprint | 15:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Does anyone have any objections to any of the tasks we've carried over (only Reducing 3rd-party repositories was backlogged)? | 15:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | No? | 15:36 |
| jeremiah_ | question | 15:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yessir? | 15:36 |
| jeremiah_ | The reduction of third party repos - | 15:36 |
| jeremiah_ | this is what we meant by "external repos" no? | 15:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right | 15:36 |
| jeremiah_ | And this is what I ought to be working on | 15:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Reducing all of those non-maemo.org or nokia.com community repos. | 15:37 |
| jeremiah_ | (at least partly?) | 15:37 |
| jeremiah_ | Okay, cool. I just like things to be explicit. :) | 15:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, the backlog tasks can be worked on however much or as little as anybody wants. | 15:37 |
| jeremiah_ | aha, okay. | 15:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's sort of a long-term task, so there's really no chance of it being completed in this next Sprint. | 15:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | So there isn't much point in committing it for it. | 15:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade and I can get you up to speed on it later. | 15:38 |
| jeremiah_ | Great. | 15:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, is there anything from the backlog that anybody would like to pick up and commit? https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_backlog | 15:38 |
| jeremiah_ | I looked at the search bug and it appears to me that Xapian would be a good fit here | 15:39 |
| jeremiah_ | So I would like to try to implement a package search with xapian | 15:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | ferenc was supposedly going to work on packages.maemo.org months and months ago | 15:39 |
| jeremiah_ | Do people think that would be a valuable addition? | 15:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I don't know what the status is there. | 15:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, most definitely. | 15:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anything to finally kill of gronmayer. ;) | 15:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/of/off/ | 15:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | jeremiah_, I'm not sure I would recommend committing it, though. | 15:40 |
| jeremiah_ | I suppose I should speak with ferenc to make sure we don't duplicate work. | 15:40 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah_: By all means. Go for it ;) | 15:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | With the Fremantle repository stuff and the QA stuff. | 15:40 |
| jeremiah_ | GeneralAntilles: Good point. | 15:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's up to you though if you think you can finish it up by the end of this sprint. | 15:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're free to work on it from the backlog and if you happen to finish it up, all the better. | 15:41 |
| jeremiah_ | I will poke around at it today, and if it looks like low-hanging fruit I will commit - if not, I'll leave it in the backlog | 15:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, that's fine. | 15:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, how about proposals? https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_proposals | 15:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary's going to finish up the election software, begin drafting a Summit plan, run the Council election and deploy the new site? | 15:42 |
| dneary | Yup | 15:42 |
| danielwilms | is it ok when I have a look at the SSO concept?? | 15:42 |
| dneary | Draft a Summit plan: not so much | 15:42 |
| dneary | Get a Summit venue this month | 15:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, nothing to commit for the Summit, then? | 15:43 |
| dneary | Venue | 15:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, OK. | 15:43 |
| dneary | Most important item. Real Stuff, not plans :) | 15:43 |
| dneary | SCRUM :) | 15:43 |
| * GeneralAntilles adds "Figure out venue" | 15:43 | |
| GeneralAntilles | danielwilms, sure, feel free. | 15:43 |
| X-Fade | danielwilms: You can look at it, sure. But beware that it is a far larger task than you realise now. | 15:44 |
| jeremiah_ | Yeah, doesn't that involve LDAP? | 15:44 |
| jeremiah_ | Yuck. | 15:44 |
| X-Fade | danielwilms: Don't get burnt the first day ;) | 15:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | We're not committing an SSO task until we have a plan for every application. ;) | 15:44 |
| danielwilms | yep...I assume that...but I think it would be a good thing to get an overview of all the different tools | 15:44 |
| X-Fade | danielwilms: A good start would be to create a wiki page with an overview and plan, yes. | 15:45 |
| danielwilms | and I will see how far I can get...this was the plan :) | 15:45 |
| X-Fade | danielwilms: But any progress on this subject is good. | 15:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | danielwilms, progress on that will make a lot of people very happy. ;) | 15:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, any HIGH bugs (bug list links are in the topic) that need to change status? | 15:46 |
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| dneary | I will also create a conference check-list, based on what Quim did for last year's | 15:46 |
| dneary | No need to Task: me on that though | 15:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Karma bugs have GOT to be out of the system before the election starts. | 15:47 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Most bugs have been fixed, but we need to re-import the mail database. | 15:47 |
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| X-Fade | For it to show, that is. | 15:48 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: I will be taking karma totals for the electorate on Tuesday | 15:48 |
| dneary | And account registration dates too | 15:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is there any chance of having -community counted by Tuesday? | 15:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, tekojo. | 15:48 |
| tekojo | Hi, sorry for being late | 15:48 |
| dneary | Oh - I'll also be looking for beta testers to check the voting app | 15:48 |
| X-Fade | bergie_: ? | 15:48 |
| tekojo | life got in the way | 15:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | We're docking you 10 awesome points, tekojo, sorry. :P | 15:48 |
| bergie_ | X-Fade: yes, there is a chance... we could try to import it tomorrow | 15:49 |
| dneary | And bergie_, X-Fade, if one of you could clear time for Monday to help deploy the updated election app, I'd appreciate it | 15:49 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Sure. | 15:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So, please, please, please, see what we can do about karma. | 15:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't want to get reelected and having to put out disenfranchisement fires. ;) | 15:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, so no movement on the HIGH bugs | 15:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any MEDIUM bugs we want to change? | 15:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2495 might go up depending on what jeremiah_ decides. | 15:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3576 this needs to be figured out before the new site goes live. | 15:52 |
| jeremiah_ | :) | 15:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | tekojo, happen to have any idea Nokia Legal side? | 15:52 |
| bergie_ | yeah, and IMO the footer should be the same (except different powered by etc) for all systems | 15:52 |
| tekojo | GeneralAntilles: I'll continue that quest | 15:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | bergie_, adding a comment to the bug. | 15:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | tekojo, I suspect Quim may have something to say about it, but we'll see. | 15:53 |
| tekojo | GeneralAntilles: He has, and that's good | 15:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3972 perhaps going hand-in-hand with the new site deployment? | 15:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | (maybe that bug is too long-term, though) | 15:54 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, along with the world domination one.. | 15:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Leave it at MEDIUM then? | 15:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 15:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, anything else? | 15:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, one final note then: | 15:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sprint reporting has gone down the tubes. | 15:57 |
| jeremiah_ | I haven't been _so_ bad :P | 15:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | We gotta do better this time. | 15:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, props to the new guy for showing us all how it SHOULD be done. :D | 15:58 |
| jeremiah_ | Niels was pretty adamant about it. :) | 15:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm going to look into some sort of form system on the wiki to make it slightly less painful to add your reports. | 15:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | But we really need to make sure we do it. | 15:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | If not for the community and our much lauded openness, then for selfish reasons like helping you keep track of what you're doing and what you need to get done. ;) | 15:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright then, enough admonishment. | 16:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | We've got a bit month ahead of us, so good luck to everybody. | 16:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meeting adjourned. ;) | 16:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks! | 16:00 |
| X-Fade | ;) | 16:00 |
| jeremiah_ | Indeed, should be exciting! | 16:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/bit/big/ :> | 16:00 |
| * GeneralAntilles goes and gets breakfast before updating the wiki. | 16:01 | |
| andre___ | yes, food sounds good :) | 16:01 |
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| tekojo | Food, mmm | 16:04 |
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