| bergie | hi, all | 15:00 |
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| -!- bergie changed the topic of #maemo-meeting to: discussing maemo.org redesign: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Implement_new_maemo.org_layout_and_style | 15:00 | |
| X-Fade | So, time to start? | 15:04 |
| dneary | Hi | 15:05 |
| dneary | Yes! | 15:05 |
| dneary | Hi glaubertsouza | 15:05 |
| dneary | I think everyone's in | 15:05 |
| glaubertsouza | Hi Dave | 15:05 |
| dneary | Tim is not here this week | 15:05 |
| glaubertsouza | Hi everyone | 15:05 |
| dneary | So - glaubertsouza, do you want to go first? How have you fared on your various tasks? | 15:06 |
| dneary | First: have you changed from digest to normal delivery for maemo-community? | 15:06 |
| glaubertsouza | I`ve posted Icons already | 15:06 |
| glaubertsouza | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Improving_maemo.org/Graphics#New_Icons | 15:07 |
| bergie | glaubertsouza: would it be possible to get these to maemo2midgard SVN directly too? | 15:08 |
| bergie | ...to https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/midgard-data/style/maemo2009/static/img/?root=maemo2midgard | 15:08 |
| glaubertsouza | Is that it easy | 15:10 |
| glaubertsouza | ? | 15:10 |
| dneary | bergie: Any of us can commit them to svn (except glaubertsouza) | 15:10 |
| X-Fade | We also need icons for Maemo[3-5] | 15:10 |
| bergie | yeah, I just committed the stars :-) | 15:11 |
| X-Fade | And an icon for No .install available.. | 15:11 |
| dneary | Do we need the icons to have the background included, or are transparent pngs OK? | 15:11 |
| dneary | X-Fade: What is the old icon for no .install? | 15:12 |
| glaubertsouza | THey are all transparent pngs | 15:12 |
| dneary | I didn't list that as one to do (didn't see it on the site) | 15:12 |
| X-Fade | dneary: I'll look it up. | 15:12 |
| glaubertsouza | I Think its a proposal | 15:12 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza: Yeah - that's good. I was just asking Niels & Henri if they need to add the background for the site | 15:13 |
| glaubertsouza | I think While implementation naturaly we`ll need more Icons | 15:13 |
| X-Fade | dneary: http://static.maemo.org/style_maemo2007/no_install_button_small.png | 15:13 |
| X-Fade | dneary: In use here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/boafm/ | 15:14 |
| glaubertsouza | I didnt see this missing install icon | 15:14 |
| glaubertsouza | but this one is not that hard... | 15:14 |
| X-Fade | glaubertsouza: Yeah, I'm sure we dream up more ;) | 15:15 |
| bergie | then there are some sections that still need to be designed | 15:15 |
| bergie | though some we can probably "generate" from the designs we already have | 15:15 |
| X-Fade | The profile widget doesn't contain karma btw? | 15:15 |
| dneary | X-Fade: OK, thanks | 15:16 |
| dneary | X-Fade: Did you see my "proposal" for the profile widget? | 15:17 |
| dneary | s/widget/template | 15:17 |
| glaubertsouza | I think Dave has told me about karma in profile widget. But what will itt be used for.? | 15:17 |
| X-Fade | glaubertsouza: Can you also create the 'Get involved' and 'Get help' icons for the frontpage from http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:HOME_8.png | 15:17 |
| X-Fade | glaubertsouza: To show how cool a person is, naturally ;) | 15:17 |
| X-Fade | To be serious, it can show that the person whom is speaking has credibility or not.. | 15:18 |
| glaubertsouza | ok | 15:19 |
| bergie | IMO karma could even be in the small person widgets we use in news items etc | 15:19 |
| X-Fade | In forums they show post count to reflect this for instance, we can do that with karma. | 15:20 |
| glaubertsouza | and how does someone increase his Karma.? | 15:20 |
| dneary | bergie: I agree | 15:20 |
| bergie | glaubertsouza: by various on-site activities... blogging, commenting, editing wiki etc | 15:20 |
| X-Fade | Blogging, filing bugs, editing wiki, creating apps, posting to lists etc. | 15:20 |
| glaubertsouza | There is no much in mine! | 15:21 |
| glaubertsouza | :) | 15:21 |
| glaubertsouza | ok | 15:21 |
| bergie | glaubertsouza: http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/midgard_and_the_law_of_karma/ | 15:21 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza: The profile widget will be used everywhere a person's name can appear on the site | 15:21 |
| dneary | The small one will be used in comments, the profile list maybe, blog entries, that kind of thing | 15:22 |
| glaubertsouza | ok thanks bergie! | 15:22 |
| bergie | and as said, we need at least three different profile widgets (profile page, "big widget" for planet and "inline widget" for other places) | 15:22 |
| dneary | The big one will be used in application pages for the author, maybe, on the profile page, and anywhere we have people featured | 15:22 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza: So - just to run through youor TODO from last week and get a one-word status: | 15:24 |
| dneary | Icons: DONE? | 15:24 |
| dneary | Person & application templates: In progress | 15:24 |
| dneary | Profile page: Still TODO | 15:24 |
| dneary | Is that right? | 15:24 |
| X-Fade | profile: http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Profile_page.png ? | 15:25 |
| glaubertsouza | almost, there is no install TODO | 15:25 |
| bergie | dneary: then there are the sections that don't have designs at all, see http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Implement_new_maemo.org_layout_and_style#Subsections | 15:25 |
| glaubertsouza | Profile page I`ll update | 15:25 |
| glaubertsouza | I do have a question. | 15:27 |
| dneary | bergie: Do you really need a design for the login page? | 15:28 |
| dneary | News has a proposal | 15:28 |
| dneary | Planet has a proposal | 15:28 |
| dneary | The profile list probably doesn't need a specific design | 15:29 |
| dneary | The event calendar... is the same as a News page, no? | 15:29 |
| X-Fade | We forgot to add the discussion forum, but that is lower priority. | 15:29 |
| glaubertsouza | this link : http://newstyle.maemo.org/ , does the section titles will be orange.? | 15:29 |
| glaubertsouza | or does it will follow the design sheet we proposed.? | 15:30 |
| dneary | bergie: Do you disagree? | 15:30 |
| dneary | I'll let X-Fade answer your question, glaubertsouza | 15:30 |
| X-Fade | glaubertsouza: Has only been implemented for 50% yet.. | 15:30 |
| X-Fade | Haven't touched fonts headings yet. | 15:31 |
| glaubertsouza | Ok | 15:31 |
| bergie | dneary: we can "invent" missing designs if needed | 15:31 |
| X-Fade | Still need to add the styled <hr> too. (Missing icon btw) :) | 15:31 |
| bergie | but at least I am not an artist ;-) | 15:31 |
| dneary | bergie: I don't think there's any invention needed, when the pages are semantically the same as existing ones | 15:32 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza: You did a proposal for maemo.org/news, didn't you? | 15:32 |
| glaubertsouza | Yes | 15:32 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza: There's a small problem with your design work - when you upload files, you don't link to them, so it's hard to find them again later | 15:33 |
| dneary | It would be nice if you could create a link either in Task:Improving_maemo.org or in Task:Implement_new_maemo.org_layout_and_style | 15:33 |
| glaubertsouza | I think the current PSD You have is enough for the general layout | 15:33 |
| dneary | which one? | 15:34 |
| bergie | ah, that is other thing... where are the PSDs at the moment? | 15:34 |
| dneary | (note: I don't have Photoshop) | 15:34 |
| glaubertsouza | but in some cases like download rating and specifically graphics that we dont have in any of them we can create from zero! | 15:34 |
| glaubertsouza | But if a new page will really differ from the current styles like happened in the profile page I would create it | 15:38 |
| X-Fade | Fair enough. | 15:39 |
| glaubertsouza | Andre cunha has sent all the PSD`s we got | 15:39 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza: Where? | 15:40 |
| dneary | I don't recall receiving any | 15:40 |
| dneary | But then again, I don't have Photoshop... | 15:40 |
| bergie | dneary: GIMP can usually open them I think | 15:41 |
| dneary | Usually | 15:41 |
| bergie | but in any case, we have some photoshop licenses for the people who chop them up to XHTML | 15:41 |
| dneary | But the psd plug-in in the GIMP hasn't been updated since PS 5 | 15:41 |
| glaubertsouza | wich is the best way to send you the PSD`s They are a kind of heavy | 15:41 |
| bergie | but Neithan was asking about it as he says he doesn't have all PSDs | 15:42 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza: Upload them to the wiki, I guess | 15:42 |
| bergie | glaubertsouza: I'd really appreciate having them in wiki or SVN | 15:42 |
| bergie | emails get lost | 15:42 |
| dneary | Yes, SVN is probably best | 15:42 |
| glaubertsouza | Yes I`m a prove of that | 15:42 |
| glaubertsouza | Ok. I think I can upload all them in the wiki. Does the wiki support files with 50 Megas? | 15:44 |
| dneary | Send it to me by email, I'll commit to SVN | 15:44 |
| X-Fade | glaubertsouza: Svn is better. | 15:44 |
| dneary | Ok - on to Niels & bergie | 15:44 |
| X-Fade | Or send them to dave ;) | 15:44 |
| bergie | X-Fade: did you update your part of that wiki page | 15:45 |
| X-Fade | I play the 'I was on holiday' card ;) | 15:45 |
| X-Fade | bergie: yep. | 15:45 |
| glaubertsouza | I`ll send to dave | 15:45 |
| dneary | I'm sorry guys, but I really have no idea how far or close we are from being finished | 15:45 |
| bergie | in any case... Neithan spent some time this week redoing the XHTML+CSS to resolve some issues | 15:45 |
| bergie | dneary: this should tell the situation quite clearly: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Implement_new_maemo.org_layout_and_style#Subsections | 15:45 |
| dneary | The page with design, html, template is useful, but it's not 100% of the story | 15:45 |
| X-Fade | dneary: What do you feel is missing? | 15:46 |
| dneary | Does that page list subsections in the order you'll be doing them? | 15:47 |
| bergie | dneary: no, it just lists subsections | 15:47 |
| bergie | though standard page was kind of requirement for everything else | 15:47 |
| dneary | For example, for the front page, how long will you need to finish the XHTML/CSS? | 15:48 |
| X-Fade | I've been working on the normal page, which is now mostly done. (Some missing cons etc.' | 15:48 |
| dneary | What do you need to do? | 15:48 |
| X-Fade | dneary: I need all graphical elements. | 15:48 |
| dneary | Is it "just" getting the CSS right, or is there Midgard work needed? | 15:48 |
| X-Fade | After that we can change the template. Copy things from downloads and social news and it is done.. | 15:48 |
| dneary | I can't tell if this is nearly done, or if there's 2 weeks of work left | 15:48 |
| dneary | Do you see what I mean? | 15:49 |
| X-Fade | Each part is no more than one day, but many things depend on other parts.. | 15:49 |
| X-Fade | For instance. The downloads overlay for HOT is done, but we need to regenerate all screenshots to have it visible | 15:49 |
| X-Fade | Same for news section on front page. Once bergie has implemented social news, it will be done for the frontpage too. | 15:50 |
| bergie | well, actually social news template for social news, and for frontpage are different templates | 15:50 |
| X-Fade | bergie: Yeah, but html+css is about the same. | 15:51 |
| bergie | not really, compare http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:HOME_8.png and http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Planet_Maemo.png | 15:51 |
| X-Fade | For the frontpage we need to implement the new user applet btw. | 15:52 |
| dneary | Is it possible to overlay without redoing the screenshots? | 15:53 |
| X-Fade | bergie: Hmm ok, but that design is a bit superceded by the profile applet example for the comment? | 15:53 |
| bergie | ...which is a new dynamic_load for n.n.accounts | 15:53 |
| dneary | Perhaps I'm talking nonesense | 15:53 |
| X-Fade | dneary: No, screenshots are too small. (thumbnails) | 15:53 |
| X-Fade | Or too big.. | 15:53 |
| dneary | What's the difference between news & social news? | 15:53 |
| bergie | dneary: they use different components so they have different templates. But I think this time the templates can produce same HTML | 15:54 |
| bergie | on old site they looked (at least initially) quite different | 15:54 |
| X-Fade | Hmm can't find glaubert's comment example with the user widget. | 15:56 |
| X-Fade | Would be nice to have it all linked here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Improving_maemo.org/Graphics | 15:56 |
| dneary | X-Fade: I think glaubertsouza will be redoing that | 15:56 |
| dneary | It should all be linked there - but as I said, Glaubert hasn't been linking to his uploads | 15:56 |
| bergie | yeah, I spent a while hunting URLs from various emails | 15:57 |
| X-Fade | Anyway, we have some designs now to keep us busy this week. | 15:59 |
| X-Fade | If we can get all icons that are agreed upon in SVN ;) | 16:00 |
| dneary | What designs are missing? | 16:00 |
| dneary | Let's make sure Glaubert's clear what's expected of him | 16:00 |
| glaubertsouza | OK I just didnt want to overcrowd with designs wick will get reviews, I did it for icons wich will be truly used | 16:01 |
| X-Fade | - profiles | 16:01 |
| dneary | OK | 16:01 |
| dneary | - Log-in page? | 16:01 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, should be straight forward. | 16:02 |
| dneary | - Person templates | 16:02 |
| dneary | - Application templates | 16:02 |
| X-Fade | Yep. | 16:04 |
| X-Fade | And the missing icons we need. | 16:04 |
| dneary | So - missing icons = missing .install, what else? | 16:05 |
| X-Fade | Front page buttons. | 16:05 |
| X-Fade | styled <HR> | 16:05 |
| dneary | Front page buttons? | 16:06 |
| X-Fade | 15:17 < X-Fade> glaubertsouza: Can you also create the 'Get involved' and 'Get help' icons for the frontpage from http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:HOME_8.png | 16:07 |
| dneary | Hm. Don't know how to add the old HR to the Graphics page :) | 16:08 |
| dneary | OK | 16:08 |
| dneary | This has a HR in there: http://wiki.maemo.org/images/4/44/HOME_8.png | 16:08 |
| X-Fade | It is visible in on the HOME_8.png design, so I guess it is just cut/paste. | 16:09 |
| dneary | So - X-Fade, bergie: where do you guys expect to be in your TODO list this time next week? | 16:09 |
| bergie | dneary: now that the standard page is (again) fixed and we have more designs, quite a bit further | 16:09 |
| bergie | I added dates to some of the sections already | 16:10 |
| X-Fade | I will work on the front page and downloads.. | 16:10 |
| X-Fade | minus the news and people part on the front page. As that needs depends on other things. | 16:11 |
| bergie | yep | 16:12 |
| bergie | we'll work on news/planet and probably profile | 16:12 |
| dneary | OK | 16:12 |
| dneary | So can we expect a decent looking front page and news page by next week? | 16:13 |
| bergie | yes, I think so | 16:13 |
| bergie | and maybe profile | 16:13 |
| dneary | Presumably profiles will have to wait until Glaubert has finished his design work | 16:13 |
| bergie | and I guess downloads too | 16:13 |
| X-Fade | dneary: If you don't find other jobs for me this week, sure ;) | 16:13 |
| bergie | ...depending on X-Fade | 16:13 |
| dneary | hehe | 16:15 |
| dneary | I will need to be working on revising the election app for the new counting system before the election starts this week | 16:15 |
| dneary | So we should be OK for a while | 16:15 |
| dneary | So - let's try to have something really decent to show for ourselves at the end of this sprint - if newstyle can start to look nice, I'll be happy | 16:16 |
| dneary | And you know I can do HTML & CSS stuff too - I just don't understand very well how Midgard's put together | 16:17 |
| X-Fade | But don't give me everthing on tuesday next week. (graphical elements) | 16:17 |
| dneary | X-Fade: You have almost everything you need now | 16:17 |
| dneary | Use the old versions where you don't yet have a new one | 16:17 |
| X-Fade | glaubertsouza: The idea of the person avatar here is very nice but really not doable: http://wiki.maemo.org/images/f/fc/Icons.png | 16:20 |
| X-Fade | I mean GA's icon. You nicely removed the background of his original pic and added shadow ;) | 16:21 |
| dneary | OK | 16:22 |
| dneary | Is everyone clear on what they are doing for the next few days? | 16:22 |
| X-Fade | Yep.. | 16:22 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza, bergie? | 16:22 |
| bergie | sure | 16:23 |
| glaubertsouza | ok | 16:23 |
| dneary | OK | 16:24 |
| dneary | Let's call it a day | 16:24 |
| dneary | By the way, are you all Jabber buddies? | 16:24 |
| dneary | I don't want to see people stuck because they're waiting for something from someone, who doesn't know about it. | 16:25 |
| dneary | If not, glaubertsouza@gmail.com, bergie@nemein.com, nbreet@gmail.com | 16:26 |
| dneary | And of course me, nearyd@gmail.com | 16:26 |
| dneary | Thanks guys! | 16:27 |
| glaubertsouza | thanks | 16:27 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza: Just before you go | 16:32 |
| dneary | I don't see any heart icon for the new theme | 16:33 |
| dneary | You replaced it with the thumbs up icon, did you? | 16:33 |
| dneary | Also, those icons had 3 versions before - on, off, and rollover | 16:33 |
| dneary | You've only provided 2 for the moment | 16:33 |
| glaubertsouza | yes | 16:34 |
| dneary | I noticed when I was trying to put the new icons beside their old equivalents | 16:34 |
| glaubertsouza | I didnt consiered the rollover state | 16:35 |
| dneary | I really think that the 3 are necessary | 16:35 |
| dneary | You would have noticed, had you been putting the new icons beside the old ones | 16:36 |
| glaubertsouza | Well I though i would propose it in my design version with no middle rolover buttons | 16:37 |
| glaubertsouza | but ok I`ll put it in my "TO DO" list | 16:37 |
| glaubertsouza | I changed the fav icon Heart for the thumb up | 16:39 |
| dneary | Looking at the list, there are about a third of the graphics you did that are not needed, and about a third of those we need that aren't done yet | 16:43 |
| glaubertsouza | ok then | 16:43 |
| dneary | Let me commit this changed page, you'll see | 16:43 |
| dneary | I think you must have missed an email or two - the trashcan icons aren't really needed, and I had removed them from the list of icons needed | 16:44 |
| dneary | Since they only appear for administrators | 16:44 |
| dneary | Have a look now | 16:47 |
| dneary | We're missing 10 requested graphics | 16:47 |
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| glaubertsouza | and what about delete and not abuse icons, will they be used.? | 16:54 |
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| dneary | glaubertsouza: Not sure. | 17:00 |
| dneary | It saves us work not to replace the ones that are there already | 17:01 |
| dneary | You can see the ones that we are missing now quite easily: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Improving_maemo.org/Graphics | 17:01 |
| dneary | Thmbs down & heart rollover | 17:01 |
| dneary | List bullets & arrows for news items | 17:01 |
| dneary | Maemo [345] on & off buttons (like PC on & off) | 17:02 |
| dneary | Also, looking at the list now, the ADD NEW APPLICATION icon is a bit aggressive compared to the others, don't you think? | 17:02 |
| dneary | Perhaps try a slightly smaller font, and not all caps? | 17:03 |
| glaubertsouza | maybe, but as tim has sad before we start the final version, to keep in mind friendly usage mainly in devices such as N 810 | 17:16 |
| glaubertsouza | so I`ve just tried to slightly bigger buttons for the hole site | 17:17 |
| glaubertsouza | What is this maemo ()3- 5 | 17:18 |
| glaubertsouza | ? | 17:18 |
| glaubertsouza | As the Add app button is in the side bar it was suppose to fit horizontally its size | 17:20 |
| X-Fade | glaubertsouza: Maemo3 Maemo4 and Maemo5 | 17:20 |
| X-Fade | replaces OS2007, OS2008 and .... | 17:21 |
| glaubertsouza | ok but what icons do they represents.? | 17:21 |
| glaubertsouza | will them work as THe actual PC button.? | 17:22 |
| glaubertsouza | Will they work as the actual PC buttons.? | 17:22 |
| X-Fade | Yes. | 17:22 |
| X-Fade | OS selection in downloads. | 17:23 |
| glaubertsouza | OK | 17:23 |
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