| timsamoff | "Morning." ;) | 15:00 |
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| timsamoff | Anyone here? | 15:01 |
| dneary | Hi | 15:06 |
| dneary | Looks like there are a few people | 15:06 |
| dneary | I didn't sent out a reminder, though | 15:06 |
| dneary | And after the disaster that was last week, I get the feeling people are kind of skipping these meetings... | 15:07 |
| timsamoff | Well... It's been pretty regular. | 15:07 |
| dneary | Let me drop a mail to the list | 15:07 |
| timsamoff | Ok. | 15:07 |
| timsamoff | We're starting to reach a crucial point, I think -- like, this thing needs to get done! :) | 15:07 |
| dneary | Yes | 15:07 |
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| bergie | hi | 15:10 |
| timsamoff | Hi. | 15:10 |
| bergie | sorry, I wasn't aware of this meeting :-/ | 15:11 |
| dneary | It's been the same time & same place every week for the last month | 15:12 |
| dneary | Apart from one week when we had it on wednesday | 15:12 |
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| bergie | ok | 15:12 |
| dneary | Hi glaubertsouza | 15:12 |
| glaubertsouza | Hi | 15:12 |
| timsamoff | Hi, Glaubert. | 15:12 |
| glaubertsouza | Hi Everyone! | 15:13 |
| dneary | So - henri, you're first under the spotlight: there was a bug last week preventing Niels from updating newstyle.maemo.org - it's obviously important for me to know where you stand in progress | 15:13 |
| dneary | Any progress on resolving that? | 15:13 |
| bergie | yes, the bug has been fixed and so there are no blockers | 15:14 |
| dneary | Do you know if Niels has been updating newstyle? is it up to date now? | 15:14 |
| bergie | dneary: I'm not sure... unfortunately he is offline this week | 15:15 |
| timsamoff | dneary: Doesn't look like it. | 15:15 |
| bergie | I will look at some of my templates later this week when I get back from Poland | 15:15 |
| dneary | OK. Also, and this time I really do have to insist... I need some kind of breakdown of work from yourself & Niels on the migration | 15:15 |
| dneary | I have no idea if we're 10% done, 20% done, what needs to be done for the front page, what needs to be done for community, development, support... | 15:16 |
| dneary | It's a priority issue for me at this stage. I'm in the dark on when we're going to be done (which is a recipe for running over) | 15:16 |
| bergie | yep | 15:17 |
| dneary | I know it's a pain, all I can do is promise you that I'm not going to use a breakdown of work as a stick to beat you with later | 15:17 |
| dneary | I will, however, use its absence as a stick to repeatedly beat you with, until I have it :) | 15:17 |
| bergie | I'll try to prepare my part of it on the flight home tomorrow | 15:18 |
| dneary | OK, great | 15:18 |
| dneary | Now - is there anything that you're waiting for in terms of deliverables from others (inc. myself)? | 15:19 |
| bergie | I don't know exactly when X-Fade is back on duty, but I hope early next week | 15:19 |
| dneary | Any roadblocks we should know about? | 15:19 |
| timsamoff | (I will have some free time this week if anything is needed.) | 15:19 |
| bergie | did we have a design for the profile page yet? | 15:19 |
| bergie | ...or profile list? | 15:19 |
| timsamoff | No. | 15:19 |
| dneary | Which brings us to glaubertsouza | 15:20 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza: Looking through your TODO list: | 15:21 |
| dneary | - Finish redesign of the icons | 15:21 |
| dneary | Is that done? | 15:21 |
| glaubertsouza | I`ve got some difficult while trying to fix the support page, then I asked Tim for some Help, and `ll post them by the end of the day | 15:22 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza: First, the icons | 15:22 |
| dneary | Looking at http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Improving_maemo.org/Graphics | 15:22 |
| glaubertsouza | ok | 15:23 |
| dneary | We'd need all of the icons cut into appropriately-sized pngs or xpms | 15:23 |
| glaubertsouza | right | 15:23 |
| dneary | There was some feedback about the install arrow from Tim, did you see it? | 15:23 |
| glaubertsouza | so I`ll export them asap | 15:23 |
| dneary | Ideally, we would have either a .tar of all of the icons or the individual icons in the right hand column of the table in the Graphics page | 15:24 |
| timsamoff | (And the Add New App button.) | 15:24 |
| dneary | Yeah | 15:24 |
| glaubertsouza | the install arrow was supposed to be green ! | 15:24 |
| dneary | I tend to agree with Tim that all orange isn't necessary. | 15:24 |
| glaubertsouza | fixed allready | 15:24 |
| dneary | OK, thanks | 15:25 |
| dneary | Now - the Support page design & layout | 15:25 |
| glaubertsouza | and App button too | 15:25 |
| dneary | You don't feel it's finished? | 15:25 |
| timsamoff | Cool. | 15:25 |
| glaubertsouza | :) | 15:25 |
| dneary | timsamoff: Thoughts? | 15:25 |
| timsamoff | I thought it was too big. | 15:25 |
| timsamoff | But... We can try out in new layout, etc. We'll see. If Glaubert fixed it, though, that's good. | 15:26 |
| glaubertsouza | I didnt put any word inside it, do you think its necessary.? | 15:27 |
| timsamoff | Which one? | 15:27 |
| glaubertsouza | the arrow.? | 15:27 |
| timsamoff | Oh. | 15:27 |
| timsamoff | dneary? | 15:27 |
| * timsamoff thought it would be necessary. | 15:27 | |
| dneary | Yes? | 15:27 |
| timsamoff | Your thoughts on putting text in the download button? | 15:28 |
| dneary | I liked "Click to install" | 15:28 |
| glaubertsouza | Maybe not, I think its intuitive enough | 15:28 |
| dneary | But it's not locxalisable | 15:28 |
| dneary | But I liked it | 15:28 |
| dneary | I don't think that the naked arrow is intuitive enough myself | 15:29 |
| glaubertsouza | ok I`ll try "" Click to Install" | 15:29 |
| * timsamoff agrees. | 15:29 | |
| timsamoff | One more thing: Re: New App button... I talked about using Title Case. | 15:29 |
| glaubertsouza | Any comments about Default avatar.? | 15:30 |
| timsamoff | I like it. | 15:30 |
| glaubertsouza | And I got online button green as well | 15:31 |
| timsamoff | Great. | 15:32 |
| glaubertsouza | If we are going to use more colors I`ve tried to divide the scheme color, its nice!, works "ok" in the gray Background. | 15:33 |
| glaubertsouza | green and orange and gray itself | 15:33 |
| timsamoff | Green/Orange always good together. | 15:34 |
| timsamoff | :) | 15:34 |
| glaubertsouza | thats true | 15:34 |
| glaubertsouza | About support, as I told you, I got some difficults, but Tim has helped me on that! | 15:35 |
| dneary | OK - on to Support | 15:35 |
| dneary | You have some difficulties - what, exactly? | 15:35 |
| glaubertsouza | how to put the content proposed by you in the best place | 15:37 |
| glaubertsouza | And one more page can be created | 15:38 |
| glaubertsouza | a result page! | 15:38 |
| timsamoff | dneary: I proposed to glaubertsouza that he break the Support page into two pages: (1) Main Content & (2) Search results. | 15:38 |
| timsamoff | He was having trouble parsing the dynamic content and the search results on the same page. | 15:39 |
| dneary | OK | 15:40 |
| dneary | And after the Support page, you're clear on what the top priority is? | 15:40 |
| glaubertsouza | Profile page must be done.. | 15:41 |
| dneary | Top priority is the person "widget" (big format & small format) | 15:43 |
| dneary | And the application "widget" | 15:43 |
| dneary | They're the main things that need graphic design, in my mind - the design of the big person widget will go nicely with the layout of the Profile page | 15:44 |
| glaubertsouza | ok | 15:47 |
| dneary | After that, what's on your plate? | 15:48 |
| dneary | Profile page, and then what? | 15:49 |
| glaubertsouza | I Thought person widget and avatar was the same | 15:49 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza: No | 15:51 |
| dneary | The default avatar is the image that appears in the person widgets when someone hasn't set a photo on their profile | 15:51 |
| dneary | The person widget is a compact piece of HTML which shows some information about them - their avatar, username (and link to their profile), their karma, whether they're online | 15:52 |
| dneary | If you look at the section "templates needed" you'll get an idea | 15:52 |
| dneary | "templates required" on the Graphics page | 15:53 |
| dneary | For applications, that might show a graphic showing its download activity, star rating, date added, and screenshot | 15:54 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza: Just to be sure, are we clear on what is needed now? | 15:56 |
| glaubertsouza | while laying out the profile page it were going to be complete as well | 15:56 |
| glaubertsouza | yes | 15:56 |
| glaubertsouza | Icons, Person widget(Profile page), Support Page | 15:57 |
| glaubertsouza | wight.? | 15:58 |
| glaubertsouza | right?* | 15:58 |
| dneary | I would like something that could be reusable in, say, a page sidebar | 15:58 |
| dneary | Or (for the small version) in comments on blogs, applications and more | 15:59 |
| dneary | Anyone have anything else? | 16:00 |
| dneary | tim? | 16:00 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza? | 16:00 |
| glaubertsouza | yes | 16:00 |
| dneary | OK, shoot | 16:00 |
| glaubertsouza | For applications | 16:00 |
| dneary | bergie: ? | 16:00 |
| bergie | not ATM | 16:00 |
| glaubertsouza | is Download activity like a progress bar.? | 16:01 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza: I'm just thinking off the top of my head (bergie, I'm interested in your ideas here) | 16:02 |
| dneary | raw "downloads" isn't a very good measure - a new app might have few absolute downloads, but be very popular | 16:02 |
| dneary | So I was wondering if it mightn't be useful for apps to divide downloads by age, to get average downloads per month since release (or whatever) and use some kind of activity rating that could go from 0 to 100 | 16:03 |
| bergie | dneary: that sort of falls into the "application karma" space that Hirvinen works on | 16:03 |
| dneary | And then we could use that as the "Popularity" measure to go along with the "Rating" measure | 16:03 |
| dneary | bergie: Kind of | 16:04 |
| dneary | If we had application karma, it would make sense to include that in the application template/widget | 16:04 |
| dneary | (we really need to agree on & stick to a vocabulary for this kind of thing)) | 16:04 |
| dneary | So - widget? Template? | 16:07 |
| dneary | bergie: Is that nearly ready? | 16:07 |
| dneary | (application karma, that is) | 16:07 |
| * timsamoff likes template. | 16:07 | |
| bergie | I think in last meeting it was concluded it needs more discussion on the list | 16:07 |
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| dneary | glaubertsouza: Failing that, we can either just include the number of downloads, or a percentile rank in downloads (either as a graphic or a number, I'll leave that up to you) | 16:08 |
| dneary | bergie: Do you mean, whether to say template or widget, or application karma? | 16:08 |
| bergie | app karma in general | 16:08 |
| dneary | OK | 16:09 |
| glaubertsouza | ok | 16:09 |
| dneary | Cause I have no problem with this little group deciding what we call those little reusable person & application things | 16:09 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza: I'm a big fan of Tufte, so I'd favour a graphic | 16:09 |
| dneary | Let's say that the basic stuff is downloads, stars, name, screenshot, with a link to the application's page | 16:10 |
| dneary | And we can have big or small versions, as you can see in the Downloads page | 16:10 |
| dneary | s/Downloads/Graphics | 16:10 |
| dneary | Let's stick with template | 16:12 |
| timsamoff | :) | 16:12 |
| glaubertsouza | ok | 16:14 |
| dneary | So - no more questions? | 16:15 |
| dneary | Let's adjourn then | 16:16 |
| dneary | I think I still owe minutes for last week | 16:16 |
| timsamoff | Thanks, Dave. | 16:17 |
| dneary | Thanks everyone! | 16:18 |
| dneary | Let's try to get full attendance next week (I'll create an event & send out a reminder right away) | 16:18 |
| timsamoff | ;) | 16:18 |
| glaubertsouza | Thanks Dave! | 16:18 |
| dneary | And bergie, I really can't insist enough how much I need some more visibility on where we're at | 16:19 |
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| bergie | dneary: fully agreed, you'll have that. | 16:19 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza: You also promised me an email update last week, which I didn't get, by the way :) | 16:19 |
| dneary | Let's all (including myself) try to be a little more transparent | 16:19 |
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| timsamoff | Sounds good. | 16:21 |
| timsamoff | Bye! | 16:21 |
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