web-meeting-2009-02-03

timsamoffI may be a couple of minutes late.14:55
X-FadeI don't think that is a problem.15:01
timsamoffOk... One minute late. ;)15:02
X-FadeBergie will not be here today, he can't make it.15:02
timsamoffHey, X-Fade. Sorry I won't make it tomorrow. A paying-type meeting was scheduled during that time.15:02
X-Fadetimsamoff: Well, those have priority :)15:02
timsamoffArg. Wish he (Bergie) sent an update email or something -- I think he had a number of action items.15:03
X-Fadetimsamoff: I'm aware of his status..15:03
timsamoffX-Fade: :)15:04
timsamoffI'm having some (continuing) wifi issues, so I may pop in and out today. Blech.15:04
timsamoffOk. Good! 15:04
timsamoffGlad I rched back. :p15:10
timsamoff*rushed15:10
X-FadeYeah, great meeting so far :)15:10
X-FadeNice and cozy..15:10
timsamoffIf no one shows before 1430, I'm gonna jet.15:12
X-FadeLet's start with you, the others will see it in the logs..15:12
X-FadeWhat did you think of the icon design glaubert did..15:13
timsamoffI stated some of it on the List. I like most of it. I'm concerned that all graphics with text are created with the proper capitalization (e.g., in my opinion everything should be Title Case).15:13
timsamoffLet me go look again real quick, though.15:13
X-FadeYeah, but all text was just the description of the icon?15:14
X-Fadehttp://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Improving_maemo.org/Graphics15:14
timsamoffNo... Add New Application (with text) was done in all lowercase.15:14
X-FadeAh yeah, you mean 'Add New Application' etc..15:14
X-FadeIndeed.15:14
timsamoffActually, that button in particular is one I don't like.15:15
timsamoffIt's way too bug, imho.15:15
timsamoff*big15:15
X-FadeYes, I agree..15:15
timsamoffThe other thing I was questioning was the "orange" Click to Download button: (1) I really like the green color that is currently used... While it's not cohesive with the current design, Green means go and I like that; (2) I think it should say "Click to Download" on it like the current one does as well.15:16
timsamoffIf that ^ button had the text, maybe orange would still work.15:17
X-FadeYes, that icon is being used on a lot of external sites too.15:17
timsamoffRight.15:17
timsamoffEverything else looks pretty good, though.15:17
timsamoffI don't think Glaubert is finished with iconography... Which is an impediment to getting the other page designs finished.15:18
dnearyhi15:19
X-FadeYeah, but if we agree the style is correct. Then we can start to implement some already.15:19
dnearySorry everyone15:19
dnearySlipped my mind15:19
dnearyNo-one thought to ping me :)15:19
X-Fadedneary: Just send you an SMS..15:19
* dneary is heavy in mysql stats15:20
X-Fade*sent15:20
timsamoffHehe... Days get busy.15:20
dnearyX-Fade: Just got it15:20
timsamoffI think it's just the three of us, though.15:20
dnearyLet's see if we can get Glaubert here too15:20
timsamoff(I just gave an update of my opinions of Glaubert's current work.)15:20
dnearyNo sign of him on Jabber15:20
dnearyX-Fade: So what's your take on the standard pages in newstyle.maemo.org now?15:21
dnearyI've bene looking at them daily, but since I don't have a clear idea what you have to do I don't really know how far along you are15:22
X-Fadedneary: We have the problem that I can't change some layouts without messing up the live site.15:22
X-Fadedneary: bergie is writing a patch to fix that issue.15:22
timsamoffThat's a weird one!15:22
X-FadeI've now started to work on internal.maemo.org.15:22
X-Fadetimsamoff: No, because we slap a style onto the live website..15:23
dnearyX-Fade: Be careful with that - you know Tim or I have no access to that15:23
X-Fadedneary: Yes, I know. But it is either that or sitting with my thumbs up in the air ;)15:23
X-Fadebergie will fix this issue asap, so I can let you guys see what is going on on newstyle.maemo.org..15:24
dnearyOK15:24
dnearyJust so you're aware that we won't be able to give you any feedback until it's fixed15:24
timsamoffShould that URL work for us? (Mine is hanging, but let me check my b0rked wifi status).15:24
dnearyDo you have any problems? Need any help?15:25
X-FadeI've been working on screenshot resizing, so we can use the FRESH and HOT overlays..15:25
dnearytimsamoff: No - internal.maemo.org is a maemo.org server behind the Nokia firewall15:25
timsamoffGotcha.15:25
X-FadeI need the overlays with the gray corners, but other than that. It looks ok..15:25
dnearyX-Fade: I can do coloured corners if you want15:25
dnearyIs the greay background colour final now?15:26
X-FadeIf everybody is ok with it ;)15:26
X-FadeI like white too, but that is me ;)15:26
timsamoffI'm ok with it -- it's hard to tell w/out a complete design, though.15:26
timsamoffWho knows? It may need to change at some point.15:27
timsamoffWe should get Glaubert to design a graphic for the <hr> element -- or just use a dark gray line rather than the default html hr.15:27
X-Fadetimsamoff: http://wiki.maemo.org/images/d/de/Download_v_02.png15:27
X-FadeSeems to be there already?15:27
X-FadeThe white line?15:27
timsamoffAh. Ok... Since the current newstyle page is using the defult <hr>, I thought... But, it's just not there yet, so... :)15:28
X-Fadetimsamoff: Yeah, need a lot of CSS magic ;)15:28
X-Fadefeel free to patch or commit to maemo2midgard svn for that..15:29
timsamoffI like magic.15:29
X-FadePing me if you want to have the svn version installed after that :)15:29
timsamoffI'm an idiot in that regard, actually... I might need a tutorial on using the SVN for this stuff.15:30
dnearySo - just to follow up on what was said last week, then:15:30
X-Fadetimsamoff: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/midgard-data/style/maemo2009/?root=maemo2midgard15:30
dnearyGlaubert was supposed to finish graphics, he mailed a bunch on Friday, Tim gave some feedback, but there hasn't been any response (yet)15:30
X-FadeSee the static dir for all css and images.15:31
dnearyHis next priority is the design for Support, followed by the person profile & application template designs15:31
timsamoffdneary: I had mentioned that the iconography was an impediment to further page design...15:32
timsamoffGlaubert has finished all of the graphics, has he?15:32
dnearyX-Fade: you were due to have a "perfect" standard page on Friday, we're close, but not quite there yet (you agree?) and we're having a bug which is related to styling the site, which Henri should fix today.15:32
timsamoffX-Fade: Are there instructions for logging into the project SVN, though?>15:32
timsamoff(Sorry for my ignorance.)15:32
X-Fadetimsamoff: https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=10615:33
X-Fadedneary: Yes, I'm blocking on bergie's fix for that.15:33
timsamoffX-Fade: Thanks!15:33
X-FadeI can't change the content part of the page because of this bug..15:33
dnearyAfter that's done, your priority isthe Downloads page, and Bergie's going to work on Development?15:34
dnearyX-Fade: OK15:34
X-FadeWell, I can. But don't want to mess up things on maemo.org.15:34
dnearyWe just need to know what's happening, what the problems are, and what's next.15:34
X-FadeThinks like menu, header and footer are working properly now.15:34
X-FadeThey scale with your browser too.15:35
dnearyI owe transcripts to put somewhere - I've been meaning to contact you about that, do you know how I can upload meeting transcripts? Should I send them to you?15:35
X-Fadehttp://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/15:35
X-FadeThey're there.15:35
dnearyOK!15:35
dnearyThe margins also shrink15:35
X-FadeYes, they are procentual.15:36
timsamoffThanks, X-Fade (re: transcripts!)15:36
dnearyActually, it's a bit odd - when you're greater than a certain width, they're fixed but smallish, when you go under that width they go to 015:36
X-FadeSo we have almost no margin on the small screen of our tablet.15:36
X-FadeFeel free to play with those margins a bit though.15:37
dnearywhat does procentual mean?15:37
X-FadeEhm percent of screen size. Sorry.15:38
X-Fadebrowser size even.15:38
dnearytimsamoff: It looks like the current TODO list for yourself and myself is short15:39
timsamoffYes.15:39
timsamoffMight be good for me right now (unfortunately for maemo.org).15:39
X-FadeI need as much icons and graphic elements as soon as possible.15:40
dnearySo - unless there's anything else, I would suggest we close the meeting, I'll report the minutes, and we'll meet again on IRC, the mailing list or somewhere else15:40
dnearyX-Fade: I will chase down Glaubert, but if you could be specific about what your top priorities are, that would help15:40
X-FadeSo if we agree on a design of an icon of graphical element, can you cut them for me Dave?15:40
timsamoffOk... Be sure to review the transcript, though -- I said a lot before dneary got here.15:40
dnearyX-Fade: I will get Glaubert provide pngs15:40
X-Fadedneary: Doesn't matter really, we need to do every element so ;)15:41
dnearytimsamoff: I was here!15:41
timsamoffOh, ok! :p15:41
dnearytimsamoff: But just a silent partner15:41
dnearyX-Fade: Can I ask you a favour, also, please? Can you send me the current database of midgard users (tab separated, the same format that we had last year if possible with the 3 different dates in there)15:42
dnearyI'm going to try to generate some useful data on the maemo electorate15:42
dnearyI'm still trying to extract the list of voted/didn't vote by karma15:42
X-FadeOk, let's do that over jabber later..15:43
X-Fadedneary: Do we need an introduction text on the download page?15:46
dnearyX-Fade: I don't think so.15:46
dnearyHonestly, anything more than "Downloads" is unneccessary15:46
X-FadeOk..15:46
dnearyWhat's important is the description of the programs on the page15:46
dnearyTheir ratings, downloads, etc15:46
dnearyI really like the current downloads page15:47
timsamoffPersonally, I like page descriptions, but... Maybe Downloads is ok without one15:47
timsamoff.15:47
X-FadeCan you provide some texts we can add to the html header of maemo.org, so we get a good desciption visible at google etc?15:47
dnearyThe tag cloud's great, the improvements you made earlier this year in categories has made things much cleaner, and all I really want to see is a nicer design of the big application banner15:47
dnearyAnd the mini views of an app15:47
dnearyX-Fade: Yes15:48
timsamoff"We are Maemo."15:48
timsamoff:p15:48
dnearyAlthough headers aren't particularly heavily weighted by google - link text is more important15:48
dnearyBut yes, I can look into making some suggestions15:48
dnearyIt'll be an opportunity to learn more about google ranks :)15:48
X-Fadedneary: Well, it is pretty useless right now: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=maemo.org&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=15:48
timsamoffNice. It's me!15:49
dnearyX-Fade: The problem now is that Nokia doesn't figure in maemo.org much15:49
X-Fadedneary: compare with: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=gnome.org&btnG=Searchhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=gnome.org&btnG=Search15:49
dnearyif I look for "Nokia N810 downloads" I don't get to Maemo at all15:49
X-FadeHmm one time is enough :)15:49
X-Fadedneary: That all depends on our texts in our pages.15:49
X-FadeIf we don't have those words in our page, you will never find it.15:50
dnearyX-Fade: What do you get when you look for maemo.org?15:50
dnearyThe first page is full of excellent links for me15:50
X-Fademaemo.org - maemo.org: Maemo is the development platform for ...15:51
X-Fade26 Jan 2009 ... A bunch of you probably read Internet Tablet Talk (soon to become talk.maemo.org !). One or two of you may have even figured something out ...15:51
X-Fadewww.maemo.org/ - 26k - Cached - Similar pages15:51
dnearyThe first is the maemo home page, with the pearl, planet maemo, the wiki, documentation, tutorials... underneath15:51
X-FadeInstead of:15:51
X-FadeGNOME: The Free Software Desktop Project15:51
X-FadeGNU Object Model Environment: Building a full, user-friendly desktop for Unix operating systems, based entirely on free software.15:51
X-Fadewww.gnome.org/ - 7k - Cached - Similar pages15:51
dnearyThe maemo.org downloads, then garage, then the wiki, then bugzilla15:51
X-FadeSays a lot more about the page ;)15:51
dnearyAh! I see what you mean15:52
dnearyOK - let me look into it15:52
dnearyDo you think you could send me the maemo.org database today, by any chance?15:52
X-Fadedneary: Usually it is done with something like:15:52
X-Fade <meta name="description" content="K Desktop Environment Homepage, KDE.org" />15:52
X-FadeAnd you enter a nice text there.15:52
dnearyX-Fade: In this case, I think it's the first <p> on the page15:53
X-Fadedneary: Let's do that in PM.15:53
dnearyin PM?15:53
X-Fadedneary: Well then we need a nice page description on our frontpage :)15:53
dnearyA <p style="display:none">?15:54
X-FadeNo, because that won't be indexed :)15:54
dnearySure?15:55
X-FadeGoogle is smart ;)15:55
dnearySo - what does PM mean?15:55
X-Fadeprivate message.15:55
dnearyYes, of course15:55
timsamoffOk, X-Fade & dneary: Have a good night... I'm going to try to have a good day. :)15:56
dnearyI wasn't expecting you to send it to the mailing list ;)15:56
dnearyHave a nice day Tim!15:56
dnearyWe have a few hours of daylight left here15:56
timsamoffTalk to you all soon, of course.15:56
timsamoffEnjoy them! 15:56
dnearyTalk to you soon:15:56
dnearyX-Fade: See you on Jabber15:56
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dnearyX-Fade: You were right, by the way16:13
dnearymeta description is the text that Google uses if you have one on your page16:13
X-FadeYep.16:14

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