timsamoff | I may be a couple of minutes late. | 14:55 |
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X-Fade | I don't think that is a problem. | 15:01 |
timsamoff | Ok... One minute late. ;) | 15:02 |
X-Fade | Bergie will not be here today, he can't make it. | 15:02 |
timsamoff | Hey, X-Fade. Sorry I won't make it tomorrow. A paying-type meeting was scheduled during that time. | 15:02 |
X-Fade | timsamoff: Well, those have priority :) | 15:02 |
timsamoff | Arg. Wish he (Bergie) sent an update email or something -- I think he had a number of action items. | 15:03 |
X-Fade | timsamoff: I'm aware of his status.. | 15:03 |
timsamoff | X-Fade: :) | 15:04 |
timsamoff | I'm having some (continuing) wifi issues, so I may pop in and out today. Blech. | 15:04 |
timsamoff | Ok. Good! | 15:04 |
timsamoff | Glad I rched back. :p | 15:10 |
timsamoff | *rushed | 15:10 |
X-Fade | Yeah, great meeting so far :) | 15:10 |
X-Fade | Nice and cozy.. | 15:10 |
timsamoff | If no one shows before 1430, I'm gonna jet. | 15:12 |
X-Fade | Let's start with you, the others will see it in the logs.. | 15:12 |
X-Fade | What did you think of the icon design glaubert did.. | 15:13 |
timsamoff | I stated some of it on the List. I like most of it. I'm concerned that all graphics with text are created with the proper capitalization (e.g., in my opinion everything should be Title Case). | 15:13 |
timsamoff | Let me go look again real quick, though. | 15:13 |
X-Fade | Yeah, but all text was just the description of the icon? | 15:14 |
X-Fade | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Improving_maemo.org/Graphics | 15:14 |
timsamoff | No... Add New Application (with text) was done in all lowercase. | 15:14 |
X-Fade | Ah yeah, you mean 'Add New Application' etc.. | 15:14 |
X-Fade | Indeed. | 15:14 |
timsamoff | Actually, that button in particular is one I don't like. | 15:15 |
timsamoff | It's way too bug, imho. | 15:15 |
timsamoff | *big | 15:15 |
X-Fade | Yes, I agree.. | 15:15 |
timsamoff | The other thing I was questioning was the "orange" Click to Download button: (1) I really like the green color that is currently used... While it's not cohesive with the current design, Green means go and I like that; (2) I think it should say "Click to Download" on it like the current one does as well. | 15:16 |
timsamoff | If that ^ button had the text, maybe orange would still work. | 15:17 |
X-Fade | Yes, that icon is being used on a lot of external sites too. | 15:17 |
timsamoff | Right. | 15:17 |
timsamoff | Everything else looks pretty good, though. | 15:17 |
timsamoff | I don't think Glaubert is finished with iconography... Which is an impediment to getting the other page designs finished. | 15:18 |
dneary | hi | 15:19 |
X-Fade | Yeah, but if we agree the style is correct. Then we can start to implement some already. | 15:19 |
dneary | Sorry everyone | 15:19 |
dneary | Slipped my mind | 15:19 |
dneary | No-one thought to ping me :) | 15:19 |
X-Fade | dneary: Just send you an SMS.. | 15:19 |
* dneary is heavy in mysql stats | 15:20 | |
X-Fade | *sent | 15:20 |
timsamoff | Hehe... Days get busy. | 15:20 |
dneary | X-Fade: Just got it | 15:20 |
timsamoff | I think it's just the three of us, though. | 15:20 |
dneary | Let's see if we can get Glaubert here too | 15:20 |
timsamoff | (I just gave an update of my opinions of Glaubert's current work.) | 15:20 |
dneary | No sign of him on Jabber | 15:20 |
dneary | X-Fade: So what's your take on the standard pages in newstyle.maemo.org now? | 15:21 |
dneary | I've bene looking at them daily, but since I don't have a clear idea what you have to do I don't really know how far along you are | 15:22 |
X-Fade | dneary: We have the problem that I can't change some layouts without messing up the live site. | 15:22 |
X-Fade | dneary: bergie is writing a patch to fix that issue. | 15:22 |
timsamoff | That's a weird one! | 15:22 |
X-Fade | I've now started to work on internal.maemo.org. | 15:22 |
X-Fade | timsamoff: No, because we slap a style onto the live website.. | 15:23 |
dneary | X-Fade: Be careful with that - you know Tim or I have no access to that | 15:23 |
X-Fade | dneary: Yes, I know. But it is either that or sitting with my thumbs up in the air ;) | 15:23 |
X-Fade | bergie will fix this issue asap, so I can let you guys see what is going on on newstyle.maemo.org.. | 15:24 |
dneary | OK | 15:24 |
dneary | Just so you're aware that we won't be able to give you any feedback until it's fixed | 15:24 |
timsamoff | Should that URL work for us? (Mine is hanging, but let me check my b0rked wifi status). | 15:24 |
dneary | Do you have any problems? Need any help? | 15:25 |
X-Fade | I've been working on screenshot resizing, so we can use the FRESH and HOT overlays.. | 15:25 |
dneary | timsamoff: No - internal.maemo.org is a maemo.org server behind the Nokia firewall | 15:25 |
timsamoff | Gotcha. | 15:25 |
X-Fade | I need the overlays with the gray corners, but other than that. It looks ok.. | 15:25 |
dneary | X-Fade: I can do coloured corners if you want | 15:25 |
dneary | Is the greay background colour final now? | 15:26 |
X-Fade | If everybody is ok with it ;) | 15:26 |
X-Fade | I like white too, but that is me ;) | 15:26 |
timsamoff | I'm ok with it -- it's hard to tell w/out a complete design, though. | 15:26 |
timsamoff | Who knows? It may need to change at some point. | 15:27 |
timsamoff | We should get Glaubert to design a graphic for the <hr> element -- or just use a dark gray line rather than the default html hr. | 15:27 |
X-Fade | timsamoff: http://wiki.maemo.org/images/d/de/Download_v_02.png | 15:27 |
X-Fade | Seems to be there already? | 15:27 |
X-Fade | The white line? | 15:27 |
timsamoff | Ah. Ok... Since the current newstyle page is using the defult <hr>, I thought... But, it's just not there yet, so... :) | 15:28 |
X-Fade | timsamoff: Yeah, need a lot of CSS magic ;) | 15:28 |
X-Fade | feel free to patch or commit to maemo2midgard svn for that.. | 15:29 |
timsamoff | I like magic. | 15:29 |
X-Fade | Ping me if you want to have the svn version installed after that :) | 15:29 |
timsamoff | I'm an idiot in that regard, actually... I might need a tutorial on using the SVN for this stuff. | 15:30 |
dneary | So - just to follow up on what was said last week, then: | 15:30 |
X-Fade | timsamoff: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/midgard-data/style/maemo2009/?root=maemo2midgard | 15:30 |
dneary | Glaubert was supposed to finish graphics, he mailed a bunch on Friday, Tim gave some feedback, but there hasn't been any response (yet) | 15:30 |
X-Fade | See the static dir for all css and images. | 15:31 |
dneary | His next priority is the design for Support, followed by the person profile & application template designs | 15:31 |
timsamoff | dneary: I had mentioned that the iconography was an impediment to further page design... | 15:32 |
timsamoff | Glaubert has finished all of the graphics, has he? | 15:32 |
dneary | X-Fade: you were due to have a "perfect" standard page on Friday, we're close, but not quite there yet (you agree?) and we're having a bug which is related to styling the site, which Henri should fix today. | 15:32 |
timsamoff | X-Fade: Are there instructions for logging into the project SVN, though?> | 15:32 |
timsamoff | (Sorry for my ignorance.) | 15:32 |
X-Fade | timsamoff: https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=106 | 15:33 |
X-Fade | dneary: Yes, I'm blocking on bergie's fix for that. | 15:33 |
timsamoff | X-Fade: Thanks! | 15:33 |
X-Fade | I can't change the content part of the page because of this bug.. | 15:33 |
dneary | After that's done, your priority isthe Downloads page, and Bergie's going to work on Development? | 15:34 |
dneary | X-Fade: OK | 15:34 |
X-Fade | Well, I can. But don't want to mess up things on maemo.org. | 15:34 |
dneary | We just need to know what's happening, what the problems are, and what's next. | 15:34 |
X-Fade | Thinks like menu, header and footer are working properly now. | 15:34 |
X-Fade | They scale with your browser too. | 15:35 |
dneary | I owe transcripts to put somewhere - I've been meaning to contact you about that, do you know how I can upload meeting transcripts? Should I send them to you? | 15:35 |
X-Fade | http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/ | 15:35 |
X-Fade | They're there. | 15:35 |
dneary | OK! | 15:35 |
dneary | The margins also shrink | 15:35 |
X-Fade | Yes, they are procentual. | 15:36 |
timsamoff | Thanks, X-Fade (re: transcripts!) | 15:36 |
dneary | Actually, it's a bit odd - when you're greater than a certain width, they're fixed but smallish, when you go under that width they go to 0 | 15:36 |
X-Fade | So we have almost no margin on the small screen of our tablet. | 15:36 |
X-Fade | Feel free to play with those margins a bit though. | 15:37 |
dneary | what does procentual mean? | 15:37 |
X-Fade | Ehm percent of screen size. Sorry. | 15:38 |
X-Fade | browser size even. | 15:38 |
dneary | timsamoff: It looks like the current TODO list for yourself and myself is short | 15:39 |
timsamoff | Yes. | 15:39 |
timsamoff | Might be good for me right now (unfortunately for maemo.org). | 15:39 |
X-Fade | I need as much icons and graphic elements as soon as possible. | 15:40 |
dneary | So - unless there's anything else, I would suggest we close the meeting, I'll report the minutes, and we'll meet again on IRC, the mailing list or somewhere else | 15:40 |
dneary | X-Fade: I will chase down Glaubert, but if you could be specific about what your top priorities are, that would help | 15:40 |
X-Fade | So if we agree on a design of an icon of graphical element, can you cut them for me Dave? | 15:40 |
timsamoff | Ok... Be sure to review the transcript, though -- I said a lot before dneary got here. | 15:40 |
dneary | X-Fade: I will get Glaubert provide pngs | 15:40 |
X-Fade | dneary: Doesn't matter really, we need to do every element so ;) | 15:41 |
dneary | timsamoff: I was here! | 15:41 |
timsamoff | Oh, ok! :p | 15:41 |
dneary | timsamoff: But just a silent partner | 15:41 |
dneary | X-Fade: Can I ask you a favour, also, please? Can you send me the current database of midgard users (tab separated, the same format that we had last year if possible with the 3 different dates in there) | 15:42 |
dneary | I'm going to try to generate some useful data on the maemo electorate | 15:42 |
dneary | I'm still trying to extract the list of voted/didn't vote by karma | 15:42 |
X-Fade | Ok, let's do that over jabber later.. | 15:43 |
X-Fade | dneary: Do we need an introduction text on the download page? | 15:46 |
dneary | X-Fade: I don't think so. | 15:46 |
dneary | Honestly, anything more than "Downloads" is unneccessary | 15:46 |
X-Fade | Ok.. | 15:46 |
dneary | What's important is the description of the programs on the page | 15:46 |
dneary | Their ratings, downloads, etc | 15:46 |
dneary | I really like the current downloads page | 15:47 |
timsamoff | Personally, I like page descriptions, but... Maybe Downloads is ok without one | 15:47 |
timsamoff | . | 15:47 |
X-Fade | Can you provide some texts we can add to the html header of maemo.org, so we get a good desciption visible at google etc? | 15:47 |
dneary | The tag cloud's great, the improvements you made earlier this year in categories has made things much cleaner, and all I really want to see is a nicer design of the big application banner | 15:47 |
dneary | And the mini views of an app | 15:47 |
dneary | X-Fade: Yes | 15:48 |
timsamoff | "We are Maemo." | 15:48 |
timsamoff | :p | 15:48 |
dneary | Although headers aren't particularly heavily weighted by google - link text is more important | 15:48 |
dneary | But yes, I can look into making some suggestions | 15:48 |
dneary | It'll be an opportunity to learn more about google ranks :) | 15:48 |
X-Fade | dneary: Well, it is pretty useless right now: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=maemo.org&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq= | 15:48 |
timsamoff | Nice. It's me! | 15:49 |
dneary | X-Fade: The problem now is that Nokia doesn't figure in maemo.org much | 15:49 |
X-Fade | dneary: compare with: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=gnome.org&btnG=Searchhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=gnome.org&btnG=Search | 15:49 |
dneary | if I look for "Nokia N810 downloads" I don't get to Maemo at all | 15:49 |
X-Fade | Hmm one time is enough :) | 15:49 |
X-Fade | dneary: That all depends on our texts in our pages. | 15:49 |
X-Fade | If we don't have those words in our page, you will never find it. | 15:50 |
dneary | X-Fade: What do you get when you look for maemo.org? | 15:50 |
dneary | The first page is full of excellent links for me | 15:50 |
X-Fade | maemo.org - maemo.org: Maemo is the development platform for ... | 15:51 |
X-Fade | 26 Jan 2009 ... A bunch of you probably read Internet Tablet Talk (soon to become talk.maemo.org !). One or two of you may have even figured something out ... | 15:51 |
X-Fade | www.maemo.org/ - 26k - Cached - Similar pages | 15:51 |
dneary | The first is the maemo home page, with the pearl, planet maemo, the wiki, documentation, tutorials... underneath | 15:51 |
X-Fade | Instead of: | 15:51 |
X-Fade | GNOME: The Free Software Desktop Project | 15:51 |
X-Fade | GNU Object Model Environment: Building a full, user-friendly desktop for Unix operating systems, based entirely on free software. | 15:51 |
X-Fade | www.gnome.org/ - 7k - Cached - Similar pages | 15:51 |
dneary | The maemo.org downloads, then garage, then the wiki, then bugzilla | 15:51 |
X-Fade | Says a lot more about the page ;) | 15:51 |
dneary | Ah! I see what you mean | 15:52 |
dneary | OK - let me look into it | 15:52 |
dneary | Do you think you could send me the maemo.org database today, by any chance? | 15:52 |
X-Fade | dneary: Usually it is done with something like: | 15:52 |
X-Fade | <meta name="description" content="K Desktop Environment Homepage, KDE.org" /> | 15:52 |
X-Fade | And you enter a nice text there. | 15:52 |
dneary | X-Fade: In this case, I think it's the first <p> on the page | 15:53 |
X-Fade | dneary: Let's do that in PM. | 15:53 |
dneary | in PM? | 15:53 |
X-Fade | dneary: Well then we need a nice page description on our frontpage :) | 15:53 |
dneary | A <p style="display:none">? | 15:54 |
X-Fade | No, because that won't be indexed :) | 15:54 |
dneary | Sure? | 15:55 |
X-Fade | Google is smart ;) | 15:55 |
dneary | So - what does PM mean? | 15:55 |
X-Fade | private message. | 15:55 |
dneary | Yes, of course | 15:55 |
timsamoff | Ok, X-Fade & dneary: Have a good night... I'm going to try to have a good day. :) | 15:56 |
dneary | I wasn't expecting you to send it to the mailing list ;) | 15:56 |
dneary | Have a nice day Tim! | 15:56 |
dneary | We have a few hours of daylight left here | 15:56 |
timsamoff | Talk to you all soon, of course. | 15:56 |
timsamoff | Enjoy them! | 15:56 |
dneary | Talk to you soon: | 15:56 |
dneary | X-Fade: See you on Jabber | 15:56 |
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dneary | X-Fade: You were right, by the way | 16:13 |
dneary | meta description is the text that Google uses if you have one on your page | 16:13 |
X-Fade | Yep. | 16:14 |
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