| dneary | Hi there | 14:36 |
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| dneary | bergieIKS: You're in! | 14:36 |
| bergieIKS | dneary: I hope so :-) | 14:39 |
| bergieIKS | these networks that try to block everything are no fun | 14:40 |
| dneary | yeah | 14:42 |
| dneary | well, they're fun to get around ;) | 14:42 |
| crashanddie | they do it for good reason | 14:51 |
| crashanddie | apparently someone wrote an IRC spambot that uses mibbit as a gateway to IRC | 14:51 |
| crashanddie | web-irc.org seems to work nicely, I'm pretty sure there's a handful of other web-based services like this one | 14:53 |
| bergieIKS | yeah, I'm on web-irc now | 14:54 |
| dneary | hi all | 14:59 |
| dneary | Everyone in? | 14:59 |
| X-Fade | Haven't seen glaubert yet. | 14:59 |
| dneary | No timsamoff, no glaubertoliveira | 14:59 |
| dneary | No tero? | 14:59 |
| dneary | Let's wait a couple of minutes, & get going | 15:02 |
| dneary | Anyone under time pressure today? | 15:02 |
| bergieIKS | well, I have an RL meeting at the same time, so expect slow replies | 15:02 |
| crashanddie | I'm at a company wide conference | 15:03 |
| crashanddie | so people think I'm taking notes when really I'm just replying | 15:03 |
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| dneary | hi tekojo | 15:04 |
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| timsamoff | Sorry I'm late -- digging out from under snow. | 15:05 |
| dneary | Glaubert's online on Jabber, but not answering for the moment - let's start without him | 15:05 |
| dneary | timsamoff: No worries, we haven't started yet | 15:05 |
| tekojo | dneary: Hi almost missed this | 15:05 |
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| dneary | OK - X-Fade, bergieIKS - how've things gone this week? | 15:05 |
| dneary | Hi acunha | 15:05 |
| dneary | What do you need in terms of content, and design work? | 15:06 |
| bergieIKS | dneary: we had a little overlap with X-Fade because I was offline over the weekend | 15:06 |
| acunha | hello | 15:06 |
| dneary | Have either of you heard from Glaubert this week? | 15:06 |
| acunha | Just a sec, im contacting glaubert | 15:06 |
| bergieIKS | I haven't heard anything | 15:06 |
| dneary | Thanks acunha | 15:07 |
| dneary | Looking at newstyle.maemo.org it looks to be coming along | 15:08 |
| X-Fade | I started to implement the style on the website.. | 15:08 |
| X-Fade | It still needs a lot of work :) | 15:08 |
| X-Fade | And I need to get a lot of pictures cut up in to parts. | 15:09 |
| dneary | I am under the impression that the new pages will all need some kind of custom development - is that fair? | 15:09 |
| dneary | X-Fade: I can do the picture cutting up, if you point me at the graphics and cut sizes you need | 15:10 |
| X-Fade | dneary: And the related CSS magic of course ;) | 15:10 |
| bergieIKS | dneary: yeah, every page that has distinct design needs its own template in CMS | 15:10 |
| bergieIKS | dneary: regarding newstyle.maemo.org we ran into some caching issues that I will investigate and try to solve for tomorrow... now there are issues with sharing templates between the new and old styles | 15:11 |
| timsamoff | bergieIKS & dneary -- hopefully, this will be kept at a minimum (I can think of four distinct designs). | 15:11 |
| bergieIKS | timsamoff: agreed, the less separate designs, the easier this is to implement and maintain | 15:11 |
| X-Fade | timsamoff: Yeah, frontpage, news, planet, downloads, regular content.. | 15:11 |
| X-Fade | Ah and profile. | 15:12 |
| timsamoff | X-Fade: Ok, that's 5. ;) | 15:12 |
| timsamoff | 6. | 15:12 |
| timsamoff | Sheesh. | 15:12 |
| timsamoff | Maybe we could think about how to cut it down a little? | 15:12 |
| X-Fade | timsamoff: But that is a minor issue, really.. | 15:12 |
| bergieIKS | news and planet *could* use same design | 15:13 |
| dneary | X-Fade: With regular content, the development work is done, it's pure stylesheet manipulation, right? | 15:13 |
| timsamoff | I almost thing News, Planet, and Regular could be the same... With some minor tweaks. | 15:13 |
| X-Fade | dneary: And adding the proper divs etc.. | 15:14 |
| dneary | And hopefully with Downloads we can do the same to start with - I like the current downloads page | 15:14 |
| dneary | So we're left with the front page, Support, Development, Community | 15:14 |
| dneary | (the new pages) | 15:14 |
| dneary | plus some re-working with Planet, News, and regular | 15:14 |
| dneary | And Downloads | 15:14 |
| X-Fade | Support, development and community are regular content pages. | 15:15 |
| bergieIKS | dneary: X-Fade is on Downloads, I'm on Planet/News | 15:15 |
| dneary | acunha: Any luck finding glaubert? | 15:15 |
| bergieIKS | X-Fade: they seem to have some "area front page" designs, no? | 15:15 |
| acunha | not really | 15:15 |
| X-Fade | Those pages can be edited in the editor. | 15:15 |
| X-Fade | They don't require dynamic loading of components etc.. | 15:15 |
| dneary | bergieIKS: I would have thought that Community, Support and Development would be the most work | 15:15 |
| bergieIKS | X-Fade: I'd split them up in multiple editable areas so there is less risk of messing stuff up in TinyMCE | 15:16 |
| X-Fade | bergieIKS: Ah yes, we do have some dynamic stuff. Ok.. | 15:17 |
| timsamoff | (bergieIKS: Speaking of TinyMCE... It's a real pain to use in Midgard: alters all sorts of editing and isn't consitent between html & wysiwyg.) | 15:17 |
| X-Fade | timsamoff: If you know a better wysiwyg editor, please let us know.. | 15:17 |
| bergieIKS | timsamoff: when you save things, we push them through HTML_Purifier. The rules affecting that can be tweaked | 15:18 |
| bergieIKS | now I think we use the default set | 15:18 |
| bergieIKS | http://htmlpurifier.org/ | 15:18 |
| dneary | X-Fade, bergieIKS: What I don't really have a good idea of now is a time-frame | 15:18 |
| timsamoff | Ok. | 15:18 |
| timsamoff | One of the main "issues" is that it adds a space after any href. | 15:19 |
| timsamoff | Weird. | 15:19 |
| timsamoff | Anyway... It's OT. ;) | 15:19 |
| dneary | Not just the list of stuff that needs to get done, but how much time they'll take, and what's top priority, and second priority | 15:19 |
| bergieIKS | dneary: I need to solve couple of technical issues for X-Fade so we can move forward tomorrow morning | 15:19 |
| bergieIKS | then I think we can make most of it clickable and "sort of working" in a day or two | 15:19 |
| bergieIKS | at least from my PoV | 15:19 |
| X-Fade | And we will have a maintenance break tomorrow where we will upgrade midgard.. | 15:19 |
| dneary | I have an impression that the way I'm thinking about this isn't the same as the way you guys are - I don't have the same perspective on what needs doing (to me, midgard's this magic black box that stuff comes out of) | 15:20 |
| bergieIKS | dneary: it is a magic black box ;-) | 15:20 |
| X-Fade | dneary: follow -commits? | 15:20 |
| bergieIKS | dneary: this is the place where the new stuff lands when ready for commit/testing... https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/midgard-data/style/maemo2009/?root=maemo2midgard | 15:21 |
| dneary | X-Fade: I do follow -commits | 15:21 |
| X-Fade | Anyway, I need the requested graphical elements and some CSS parts. Then can really proceed with the implementation.. | 15:21 |
| dneary | But that doesn't tell me how long you think it'll take before you've got the template for the Support page, or the Documentation page, or how long it'll take you to fix issues with the standard midgard templates | 15:21 |
| dneary | If you see what I mean | 15:21 |
| bergieIKS | dneary: we're starting with the standard stuff, as everything derives from that | 15:22 |
| X-Fade | dneary: True. But now the basics aren't done yet. | 15:22 |
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| glaubertsouza_ | Hi Every one | 15:22 |
| dneary | Hi glaubertsouza_ | 15:22 |
| dneary | bergieIKS: OK | 15:22 |
| dneary | X-Fade, bergieIKS: And you think that updating the standard stuff will be done this week? | 15:23 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Yes, that should be doable.. | 15:23 |
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| dneary | OK, cool | 15:24 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza_: How're things coming along with the pixmap design? | 15:24 |
| dneary | Have you settled on a nice theme? | 15:25 |
| glaubertsouza_ | I`ve made half of them | 15:26 |
| dneary | Great! | 15:27 |
| dneary | Would you mind uploading them to the wiki as you're working on them, so that I have an idea of your progress, please? | 15:27 |
| glaubertsouza_ | I want to post them by friday | 15:27 |
| bergieIKS | which designs are these? | 15:28 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza_: I'd really like to see the work in progress, if you don't mind - or at least, if you could add to the wiki which ones you're working on, that would be helpful | 15:28 |
| glaubertsouza_ | ok | 15:28 |
| dneary | bergie: Task:Improving maemo.org/Graphics | 15:28 |
| bergieIKS | ah, ok | 15:28 |
| X-Fade | and https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Improving_maemo.org/Design_requested | 15:29 |
| dneary | X-Fade: I don't think Glaubert's been working on that specifically | 15:30 |
| X-Fade | dneary: No, but at least he should know that they are there? | 15:30 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza_: For the person template, X-Fade had some ideas for what should be in the compact & extended versions - online status, name, karma, photo | 15:31 |
| dneary | X-Fade: Yes, indeed. | 15:31 |
| X-Fade | Also, did we decide on the sidebar menu decorations yet. Which one should we pick. The first design or the latter one? | 15:34 |
| X-Fade | first: https://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Planet_Maemo.png second: https://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Download_v_02.png | 15:35 |
| timsamoff | My vote is for the second. | 15:35 |
| dneary | Me too | 15:36 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza_, acunha: Opinions? | 15:36 |
| bergieIKS | same here, it is much cleaner | 15:36 |
| X-Fade | Well, I'm for the second one too. | 15:36 |
| X-Fade | And it is a lot less work too ;) | 15:36 |
| glaubertsouza_ | the second works better for me | 15:36 |
| X-Fade | We'll have to see how add a secondary level though.. | 15:37 |
| acunha | the second one lokos very nice | 15:37 |
| timsamoff | (Although, I don't like the style of the sidebar "buttons" under the sidebar menu -- it's too bulky/busy.) | 15:37 |
| glaubertsouza_ | and its esyer... | 15:37 |
| bergieIKS | second and third levels should be designed at least | 15:37 |
| timsamoff | X-Fade: You can use an "accordion: style jquery method. | 15:37 |
| timsamoff | http://www.stunicholls.com/menu/jquery-concertina-6.html | 15:38 |
| X-Fade | timsamoff: Yes, but doesn't that make pages a lot heavier to render? | 15:38 |
| timsamoff | Not really -- it's a singl js link and text/css. | 15:38 |
| timsamoff | (That link is just *one* example.) | 15:39 |
| dneary | OK - issues | 15:39 |
| dneary | bergieIKS, X-Fade: Anything slowing you down? Anything you need help with this year? Any content you need written, specifically? | 15:40 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Content can be added without touching the styles. | 15:41 |
| dneary | Sure | 15:41 |
| X-Fade | So, we don't _need_ that.. | 15:41 |
| glaubertsouza_ | It`s a cool thing, you can condense the content, to fit on the page, but I didnt kown how long, or how difficult and have it would be.! | 15:41 |
| dneary | But if you're using dolorem ipsum for pages, it'd be better to start working out what content's going to be there | 15:41 |
| X-Fade | But if you want to add content, then it should be available of course :) | 15:41 |
| dneary | And that would allow me to be working on stuff for the new design in parallel to you guys | 15:41 |
| X-Fade | dneary: I'm now only working on the live test site. | 15:41 |
| X-Fade | With the current content. | 15:42 |
| dneary | Because since we've more or less got a working proposal for Support that we're waiting to see laid out, I'm not quite twiddling my thumbs, but... | 15:42 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Well, who is going to do that design? | 15:43 |
| dneary | X-Fade: Glaubert, once he's finished the icons | 15:43 |
| X-Fade | You can start by adding all the graphical elements to the svn. | 15:43 |
| timsamoff | Speaking of Support... Any opinions of my wireframe? http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Improving_maemo.org/Support | 15:45 |
| X-Fade | And then we need somebody to create the HTML+CSS version of those pages. | 15:45 |
| dneary | timsamoff: I like it | 15:46 |
| dneary | I'm interested in seeing the search box working | 15:46 |
| X-Fade | That would need to be an iframe, I'm afraid.. | 15:47 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza_: When do you think you'll have the icons finished? This week? | 15:47 |
| timsamoff | X-Fade: Why? | 15:47 |
| glaubertsouza_ | Yes | 15:47 |
| glaubertsouza_ | by friday | 15:47 |
| X-Fade | timsamoff: Different machine.. | 15:47 |
| timsamoff | And... Who cares...? | 15:47 |
| timsamoff | (Technically speaking that is.) | 15:47 |
| timsamoff | Ah ok. | 15:47 |
| X-Fade | timsamoff: Well, not really smooth web2.0 style ;) | 15:48 |
| timsamoff | Right. | 15:48 |
| timsamoff | Should we think about another method... Or, could it be made to work "seamlessly"? | 15:48 |
| X-Fade | timsamoff: Let's call that phase 2. | 15:49 |
| X-Fade | 1. get it working | 15:49 |
| X-Fade | 2. improve ;) | 15:49 |
| timsamoff | ;) | 15:49 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza_: Then top priority will be the Support page | 15:50 |
| X-Fade | It might be possible to slap a xml style on the google mini search box, so we can do xml calls.. | 15:50 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza_: Followed by the person templates | 15:51 |
| glaubertsouza_ | Ok | 15:51 |
| bergieIKS | X-Fade: XMLHttpRequest cannot cross domains | 15:51 |
| X-Fade | bergieIKS: Ah true, security issues.. | 15:51 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza_: And please, update the wiki as you get stuff done | 15:51 |
| dneary | It'll allow us to start reviewing & committing pixmaps ASAP | 15:52 |
| X-Fade | Well, there are tricks around that anyway.. Let's see. | 15:52 |
| glaubertsouza_ | sure | 15:52 |
| dneary | So - to summarise: X-Fade & bergie to have a working version of the site for standard content pages by the weekend | 15:55 |
| dneary | What will you work on after that? | 15:55 |
| dneary | The new front page? Development? | 15:55 |
| dneary | Community? | 15:55 |
| bergieIKS | dneary: depends on what we have designs + CSS for | 15:56 |
| dneary | bergieIKS: You have designs for everything but Support, no? | 15:56 |
| X-Fade | I have CSS for frontp page, almost.. | 15:56 |
| X-Fade | Although I need to have the news 'bubbles' scalable.. | 15:57 |
| dneary | And I see that there are requests for designs of Profile, Planet and Downloads, but I hope that at least for downloads & planet that we can keep the existing ones for a first roll-out | 15:57 |
| bergieIKS | X-Fade: I'll reuse those bubbles, so make them scale vertically too :-) | 15:57 |
| dneary | And for the profile, once you have the person template, that should be a big part of it | 15:57 |
| X-Fade | And a template to overlay on HOT and Fresh. | 15:57 |
| dneary | A template, or just a pixmap? | 16:00 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Transparant png is probably easiest.. | 16:00 |
| dneary | OK | 16:01 |
| dneary | I'll add them to Graphics | 16:01 |
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| timsamoff | X-Fade: Aren't the Hot/Fresh boxes dynamically-loaded content? | 16:01 |
| dneary | timsamoff: He means the orange badges that were in previous versions | 16:02 |
| X-Fade | timsamoff: Yes, but we need to overlay the design over the plain screenshots, right? | 16:02 |
| timsamoff | The rounded box could just be a background image on the div -- with the dynamic content on top. | 16:02 |
| glaubertsouza_ | I would get all the graphic elements already built, and concentrate them in one "design sheet", for diverse uses.. | 16:02 |
| dneary | Oh - one last thing: glaubertsouza_ - in the designs, would you mind replaciong "Documentation" with "Talk"? | 16:02 |
| timsamoff | (I.e., no overlays.) | 16:03 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza_: Not a high priority item, but I don't want it forgotten when we're doing the final version | 16:03 |
| X-Fade | timsamoff: How would you create http://openbossa.andrecunha.com/maemo/images/download_1.jpg for example? | 16:03 |
| timsamoff | X-Fade: It depends... Are all of the app screen grabs going to be made manually? | 16:04 |
| X-Fade | timsamoff: I want no manual work for each screenshot :) | 16:04 |
| X-Fade | timsamoff: What you see in downloads now is what we have. | 16:05 |
| timsamoff | I figured... So, you'll really only need "rounded" overlays for the bottom of the box, no? So that the bottom is rounded... The top is just a straight square. | 16:05 |
| X-Fade | So most of the time raw 800x600 screenshots, nothing more. | 16:05 |
| timsamoff | Anyway... Let me think about it. | 16:06 |
| X-Fade | timsamoff: Sure, but you need to hide a part of the screenshot as the aspect ratio isn't the same. | 16:06 |
| X-Fade | So there needs to be some more magic. | 16:06 |
| X-Fade | * 800x480 screenshots of course ;) | 16:07 |
| timsamoff | Yeah. | 16:07 |
| timsamoff | Not to keep touting jquery, but: http://www.malsup.com/jquery/corner/image.html | 16:08 |
| timsamoff | Just another idea. | 16:08 |
| bergieIKS | timsamoff: using jquery should work pretty well, as that is the JS framework we ship anyway | 16:09 |
| timsamoff | ;) | 16:09 |
| bergieIKS | the problem is, any client-side processing is potentially heavy | 16:09 |
| timsamoff | Eh. Not anymore. (IMHO) | 16:09 |
| X-Fade | Somehow I think that putting a plain screenshot under a transparant png is a lot friendlier on your cpu ;) | 16:09 |
| timsamoff | (You guys are going to HATE the redesign of my blog.) :p | 16:10 |
| X-Fade | As this example seems to be doing a pixel per pixel manipulation? | 16:10 |
| X-Fade | Without antialiasing :) | 16:10 |
| timsamoff | There's also a jQuery Canvas script that does it, but... | 16:10 |
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| timsamoff | Antialiasing can be added. | 16:10 |
| X-Fade | But anyway, let's not get get in to that here.. | 16:10 |
| timsamoff | But, let's all think and try to come up with the best solution. | 16:11 |
| X-Fade | timsamoff: Poor N810, dying from javascripts :) | 16:11 |
| timsamoff | :p | 16:11 |
| timsamoff | X-Fade: I will do my best to kill your N810. ;) | 16:11 |
| X-Fade | We need to make sure the site is as snappy as we can get it. All javascript defers rending of a page, so it hurts percieved performance. | 16:12 |
| X-Fade | That is one thing we need to think about. | 16:12 |
| timsamoff | (For the record... Antialiased image corners w/ jQuery: http://blue-anvil.com/jquerycurvycorners/test.html) | 16:13 |
| dneary | OK! Thanks all - this has been a good meeting, I think | 16:13 |
| X-Fade | Use Fennec and go to slashdot for example and see it die.. | 16:13 |
| timsamoff | X-Fade: And, yes, you're right. | 16:13 |
| timsamoff | Thanl you, dneary! | 16:14 |
| timsamoff | *Thank* | 16:14 |
| X-Fade | dneary: I will contact you later about some image cutting etc.. | 16:14 |
| bergieIKS | ok, great | 16:15 |
| bergieIKS | see you all later :-) | 16:15 |
| dneary | Great - and let me know what's top priority for you after the standard content stuff | 16:15 |
| dneary | I'll do minutes as usual | 16:15 |
| X-Fade | dneary: frontpage, downloads | 16:15 |
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| timsamoff | Talk to everyone later. Time to start my day. ;) | 16:15 |
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| dneary | OK, thanks | 16:17 |
| dneary | Bye all | 16:17 |
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