Jaffa | Starting now :-) | 15:34 |
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Jaffa | 1) Updates on non-completed actions from July/anything to add about completion | 15:35 |
Jaffa | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints/July_09 | 15:35 |
danielwilms | didn't get the gforge integration completely ready | 15:35 |
Jaffa | qgil: 8.11-01 should be 100%, correct? Anything to add to the notes there? Anything carrying over/incomplete? | 15:35 |
danielwilms | but it is on a good way | 15:35 |
Jaffa | danielwilms: We'll go down the list in order, I think. | 15:36 |
timsamoff | Henri won't be here today, correct? | 15:36 |
Jaffa | timsamoff: correct. | 15:36 |
qgil | Jaffa: no | 15:36 |
qgil | and basically nthing to add to whatever I have reported already :) | 15:36 |
timsamoff | Jaffa: Ok. I have a reques for him (or someone) at the end of the meeting. | 15:37 |
Jaffa | qgil: thanks | 15:37 |
sopi | timsamoff: i am here to take your requests | 15:37 |
Jaffa | andre__: 9.02-01 and 9.04-05: two musts | 15:37 |
timsamoff | sopi: Thanks. :) | 15:37 |
Jaffa | 90% and 80% respectively. | 15:37 |
andre__ | Thanks to sopi we have a Bugzilla 3.4 test installation online. | 15:37 |
andre__ | 9.02-01: Patches are analyzed (luckily all important stuff is in form of debian dpatch files) | 15:37 |
andre__ | I consider 9.02-01 as done (plus I want better and clearer subtasks to be honest). | 15:37 |
andre__ | hence i propose MUST for next month: Get "Nokia patches" part cleanly into Bugzilla 3.4 test installation and drop as many deltas as possible | 15:38 |
andre__ | COULD: Get Template/CSS stuff for Bugzilla 3.4 into good shape. This is basically 9.04-05 which is MUST currently, I know, but I should start realizing that BAU stuff still takes more time than I expected. :-/ | 15:38 |
andre__ | so i propose to close the first one as DONE and start a new (better defined) subtask | 15:39 |
sopi | andre__: put my name to the first "MUST" task. I will make sure the Nokia patchset is sorted out. We can actually do that together.. | 15:39 |
sopi | andre__: and you can focus on the CSS part. | 15:39 |
andre__ | oh, okay. thanks a lot! | 15:39 |
sopi | andre__: you are welcome! | 15:40 |
Jaffa | andre__: OK, so 9.02-01 is being closed. And 9.04-05 being dropped in priority to COULD for next sprint? | 15:40 |
andre__ | let's say SHOULD as sopi helps | 15:40 |
* Jaffa reminds everyone that election & summit will take people's time; but presumably not you, andre__ | 15:40 | |
Jaffa | andre__: OK, cool. | 15:40 |
Jaffa | andre__: anything else to add on those? | 15:41 |
Jaffa | jeremiah: 9.06-03 is done. Anything to add? | 15:41 |
andre__ | Well, kudos to sopi mostly, big help :) | 15:41 |
jeremiah | Not really - must of the issues are fairly common | 15:41 |
jeremiah | So I think they should be fairly easy to solve. | 15:41 |
jeremiah | Nothing has popped up that seems to be a blocker to fremantle. | 15:42 |
Jaffa | jeremiah: Cool. How's it shaping up? | 15:42 |
Jaffa | (Fremantle Extras)? | 15:42 |
jeremiah | I think it is going well - I have a couple things to do that you and X-Fade spotted. | 15:42 |
jeremiah | But I am pretty impressed with X-Fade's ideas and implementation | 15:43 |
Jaffa | Cool. Which takes us on to X-Fade's 9.06-05 | 15:43 |
jeremiah | Indeed. :) | 15:43 |
X-Fade | Can I propose maemian as a must for jeremiah? | 15:43 |
jeremiah | You can, but maemian is really, really big. | 15:44 |
Jaffa | Is that the blocker? | 15:44 |
jeremiah | The "frontend" is 2000 lines of code | 15:44 |
X-Fade | jeremiah: No it shoud not be big. It should just work for the simplest of tests. | 15:44 |
X-Fade | jeremiah: And then improve on it later. | 15:44 |
X-Fade | jeremiah: The infra should be ready for testing asap. | 15:44 |
jeremiah | X-Fade: Okay, but part of the point of maemian is to port lintian and merge that with Nokia's lintian | 15:44 |
jeremiah | That is a large code base | 15:45 |
X-Fade | jeremiah: So we at least know we have all the pieces of the puzzle in place somehow. | 15:45 |
Jaffa | X-Fade: So your suggestion is the infrastructure for a single, simple test (e.g. package names don't contain capital letters); rather than the definitive maemian? | 15:45 |
X-Fade | Jaffa: Yeah, or check for categories or whatever. | 15:45 |
jeremiah | X-Fade: I have minimae for that. | 15:45 |
X-Fade | Jaffa: And then add cases when there is more time. | 15:45 |
* Jaffa nods | 15:45 | |
X-Fade | Because that task is becoming a monster that will never finish otherwise. | 15:46 |
X-Fade | Small tasks ;) | 15:46 |
Jaffa | X-Fade: yup. | 15:46 |
jeremiah | Okay. I have a small script that works on .dsc files now | 15:46 |
Jaffa | jeremiah: Does that sound reasonable? | 15:46 |
jeremiah | Jaffa: Yes, very. | 15:46 |
Jaffa | Cool. | 15:46 |
jeremiah | May I just say; | 15:46 |
Jaffa | X-Fade: what about the other blockers for the promotion interface? | 15:47 |
X-Fade | About my task. It is shaping up, there are a few bugs left which I want to fix this week. | 15:47 |
jeremiah | That the small script is called minimae (pronounced mini-me) and the big one is maemian | 15:47 |
X-Fade | The only thing blocking promotion is a but in reptrol atm, but I think Jeremiah is working on that now. | 15:47 |
jeremiah | minimae is the one we'll turn into a must for me. | 15:47 |
Jaffa | jeremiah: Yup. Worth clarifying. | 15:47 |
jeremiah | X-Fade: It's not a bug so much as I am not reading lib dirs correctly and pushing all the right binaries. | 15:47 |
jeremiah | But I know what I have to do | 15:48 |
jeremiah | and it is mostly done | 15:48 |
Jaffa | jeremiah: Is that reptrol issue too small for a task/likely to be completed soon. | 15:48 |
Jaffa | ? | 15:48 |
X-Fade | I consider it a bug not a task. | 15:48 |
jeremiah | No - I have mostly fixed it. | 15:48 |
Jaffa | jeremiah: Cool. | 15:48 |
X-Fade | But other than that, we should/could start testing extras-testing soon. | 15:48 |
Jaffa | X-Fade: What's the audience for the packages UI? Is it worth trying to find someone to look at compartmentalising the UI/CSSifying it a bit. The grey background of maemo.org blurs everything together a bit for me. | 15:49 |
Jaffa | X-Fade: Cool | 15:49 |
Jaffa | X-Fade: Does your MUST task include documentation/communication? | 15:49 |
X-Fade | Jaffa: developers, maintainers and community testers. | 15:49 |
X-Fade | Jaffa: Well no, it would be nice if somebody else could take that on. | 15:50 |
X-Fade | Jaffa: I can give explanations, but there is still a lot of infra that needs to be fixed behind the scenes. | 15:50 |
Jaffa | X-Fade: OK, I'll take that on as a SHOULD. | 15:50 |
X-Fade | Thanks. | 15:51 |
X-Fade | And yeah, packages could use some CSS love> | 15:51 |
Jaffa | 9.06-05 staying open then, for the next sprint - still as a MUST; for completion in the next sprint? | 15:51 |
jeremiah | Yeah, there is a lot of data on those pages. | 15:51 |
X-Fade | But I'm concentrating on functionality for now. | 15:51 |
Jaffa | X-Fade: I'll take an action to ask on tmo/poke timsamoff/glaubert/... | 15:51 |
X-Fade | Yeah, should finish. | 15:51 |
Jaffa | X-Fade: s/should/must/ ;-) | 15:52 |
X-Fade | ehm yeah. | 15:52 |
Jaffa | heh. | 15:52 |
Jaffa | OK, moving on to 9.06-07: karma for applications. A MUST at 25%. | 15:52 |
Jaffa | Been kicking around for a while this one. | 15:52 |
X-Fade | JimiDini: ? | 15:53 |
JimiDini | We had technical problems with this one, and bergie finally fixed problem with cron-scripts which blocked this | 15:53 |
JimiDini | problem was fixed on 29-th and we get data since then. There will be enough data for experiments in days from now | 15:53 |
sopi | JimiDini: we can not let this slip for an other month. | 15:54 |
sopi | JimiDini: any chance to get it done in 2 weeks max? | 15:54 |
JimiDini | Also, I have access to maemo.org machine since today, so I will be able to solve similiar issues by myself now. | 15:54 |
JimiDini | sopi: definitely | 15:55 |
sopi | JimiDini: so in the September meeting we can already talk about the results, not about problems.. | 15:55 |
Jaffa | JimiDini: So, the task for this sprint is a MUST of getting data; coming up with some proposals; getting consensus on those proposals on maemo-(community/developers)? | 15:56 |
Jaffa | sopi: I like that; "talk about results, not about problems" - should be the sprint meeting motto ;-) | 15:57 |
JimiDini | Jaffa: I will be able to come with proposals and I will be able to implement them. I can't answer for communitie's speed in getting consensus, but I will do my best to keep the process of "hunting for consensus" going ;) | 15:58 |
Jaffa | JimiDini: OK, let's say "communicate proposals and push for consensus" ;-) | 15:58 |
* Jaffa 'll help facilitate if needed | 15:58 | |
JimiDini | yes | 15:58 |
JimiDini | thanks :) | 15:58 |
sopi | JimiDini: if you need Bergie's assistance then you must catch him during this week. He will be away after that. | 15:58 |
Jaffa | No, thank you :) | 15:58 |
Jaffa | Anything else on 9.06-07 karma for apps' formula? | 15:59 |
JimiDini | sopi: now that I have access, I will be able to deal with it myself | 15:59 |
JimiDini | Jaffa: nope | 15:59 |
Jaffa | If not, 9.06-06 is jeremiah with another 40 packages... as a "must" (odd, I thought it was a should, but perhaps I'm remembering the wrong meeting) | 15:59 |
jeremiah | I thought it was a should too. | 16:01 |
jeremiah | Which is why I hadn't been focusing on it. | 16:01 |
jeremiah | :-/ | 16:01 |
Jaffa | Let's assume it's an admin error and should be a SHOULD (unless X-Fade says different) | 16:01 |
X-Fade | I don't think it matters much, we've seen a lot of apps coming to Fremantle. | 16:01 |
Jaffa | True. | 16:01 |
X-Fade | And blindly porting them over is starting to hurt us. | 16:02 |
jeremiah | I think X-Fade wants maemian checks more. | 16:02 |
jeremiah | I can port some via maemian testing as well. | 16:02 |
X-Fade | I already regret bringing some old libs over myself. | 16:02 |
Jaffa | jeremiah: OK, so let's drop 9.06-06 and focus on minimae and maemian | 16:02 |
Jaffa | ? | 16:02 |
jeremiah | Jaffa: Cool. | 16:02 |
jeremiah | Sounds good to me. | 16:02 |
X-Fade | We should do a cleanup run where we remove libs that are older than the SDK versions. | 16:03 |
jeremiah | X-Fade: I would like a clear idea of what type of checks you want so that I can fulfill expectations. | 16:03 |
jeremiah | Don't have to tell me now | 16:03 |
jeremiah | But we should discuss that. | 16:03 |
X-Fade | jeremiah: Let's create a list after this meeting and add them to the wiki page. | 16:03 |
jeremiah | Cool. | 16:03 |
Jaffa | Cool. | 16:03 |
Jaffa | Moving on to 9.06-10: dneary MUST 0% "library.gnome.org use debs rather than tgzs"? | 16:04 |
dneary | Hi | 16:04 |
dneary | Yes, no progress to report | 16:04 |
dneary | As I said in email yesterday | 16:04 |
dneary | And no progress expected in August | 16:04 |
Jaffa | So it should be dropped to the backlog | 16:05 |
Jaffa | ? | 16:05 |
dneary | I'm going on holiday tomorrow evening, and expect to be inundated with Maemo Summit & council election stuff on my return | 16:05 |
dneary | If that's what the sprint rules say | 16:05 |
dneary | I'm still unclear on the process we're supposed to be following, sorry :) | 16:05 |
Jaffa | dneary: Well, it certainly can't stay a MUST - and a SHOULD or COULD when it's not going to be worked on is misleading as well :) | 16:06 |
dneary | Okay then | 16:06 |
Jaffa | dneary: We'll get on to the new tasks shortly. | 16:07 |
Jaffa | danielwilms: SSO? 9.07-01? | 16:07 |
danielwilms | almost there | 16:07 |
danielwilms | single sign out does not work yet | 16:07 |
Jaffa | danielwilms: Staying as a SHOULD or going up to MUST? | 16:07 |
danielwilms | must | 16:08 |
dneary | Sorry - stepping to the toilet for a sec. | 16:08 |
Jaffa | OK, cool. | 16:08 |
Jaffa | Stskeeps: 9.06-09 - Vendor Hardware Repos: decide subtasks. Says 0%, accurate? | 16:08 |
Stskeeps | accurate | 16:08 |
* Jaffa is not planning on going through the coulds in detail. So if anyone has anything to add on them, just shout. | 16:08 | |
Jaffa | Stskeeps: Staying in as a SHOULD? | 16:09 |
Stskeeps | yep, i hope to get more in this month :) | 16:09 |
Jaffa | Cool. | 16:09 |
Jaffa | Anything on any COULDs from anyone? | 16:10 |
jeremiah | I have no could stuff. | 16:10 |
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Andy80 | hi | 16:10 |
Jaffa | hi Andy80 | 16:10 |
VDVsx | jeremiah, yes, you have :) | 16:10 |
dneary | back | 16:11 |
jeremiah | VDVsx: Sorry, I meant to say I have nothing to add. ;) | 16:11 |
Jaffa | OK, moving on to new tasks then. We've got some new ones above, and I imagine - as dneary said - some people focusing on summit and/or election taking up some time. | 16:11 |
VDVsx | jeremiah, :) | 16:11 |
X-Fade | Jaffa: I like to propose discussion importing for Karma. And fix all open karma issues for the Nemein guys. | 16:12 |
X-Fade | As we need the karma for summit sponsor and elections. | 16:12 |
qgil | +1 | 16:13 |
Jaffa | X-Fade: Having a discussion now? Or a task about imprting "discussion karma"? | 16:14 |
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X-Fade | Jaffa: Re-import discussions so Karma is fixed. | 16:14 |
Jaffa | Ah, OK. | 16:14 |
sopi | X-Fade: "discussion karma" MUST be implemented in next Sprint | 16:15 |
Jaffa | Who owns those tasks? | 16:15 |
sopi | There is a bug report on that, but we seemed to forget about the bugs. | 16:15 |
Jaffa | And is "fix all open karma issues" realistic (one for the Nemein guys to answer)? | 16:15 |
sopi | Jaffa: put my name to it. | 16:15 |
X-Fade | Jaffa: Well, I don't know of many open issues. | 16:15 |
X-Fade | Jaffa: Other than the mail import one. | 16:15 |
dneary | How off is the mail import one? | 16:16 |
sopi | Jaffa: I will find help, JimiDini perhaps will give me a hand after the "application karma" is done. | 16:16 |
dneary | Is there anyone who would otherwise be elligible to be a candidate (for example) who isn't because of this bug? | 16:16 |
X-Fade | dneary: 50% orso? | 16:16 |
Jaffa | sopi: OK, so your going to have: MUST "re-import discussion karma" and MUST "fix any other karma issues"? | 16:16 |
JimiDini | sopi: I will do my best, though I think I have another "must" task this spring (integration of midgard at maemo.org with SSO) | 16:17 |
JimiDini | s/spring/sprint/ | 16:17 |
sopi | Jaffa: yes, correct. | 16:17 |
X-Fade | dneary: lardman is missing about 130 karma because of this, for example. | 16:17 |
sopi | JimiDini: ok, i will then outsource it to someone else. don't worry. :) | 16:17 |
Jaffa | Someone else was missing a lot too (although details escape me) | 16:17 |
X-Fade | But anyway, that can be fixed with a re-import which takes quite some time to run. But it should not be that much work. | 16:18 |
danielwilms | JimiDini and we will discuss the API of the user-import sync?? then I can start integrating this | 16:19 |
Jaffa | dneary: I imagine your non-holiday time being basically BAU (where 'BAU' includes the elections & the content committee atm) | 16:19 |
sopi | X-Fade: you will be my man. I will talk to you and then will do the re-import by myself. | 16:19 |
dneary | BAU? | 16:19 |
dneary | Business as usual? | 16:19 |
zerojay | Sorry to interupt, but what exactly is discussion karma affected by? Just posting on tmo or...? | 16:19 |
dneary | Yes, more or less | 16:20 |
JimiDini | danielwilms: a starter: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Single_sign-on/UserManagement-API | 16:20 |
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dneary | Although neither of those are really BAU :) | 16:20 |
X-Fade | zerojay: no, mailinglists. | 16:20 |
danielwilms | JimiDini great! | 16:20 |
Jaffa | dneary: Business-as-Usual. i.e. too odd/general/specific to have a task | 16:20 |
dneary | I'm also going to make sure that the community edits in the HIG get integrated upstream | 16:20 |
Jaffa | dneary: Ah, yes. That sounds like a task. SHOULD? | 16:20 |
timsamoff | dneary: And remain synced with future edits. ;) | 16:20 |
dneary | Jaffa: It's the remaining 10% on the task "Proofread the HIG" | 16:20 |
dneary | which is already there | 16:20 |
timsamoff | Jaffa: 2% now. | 16:21 |
dneary | timsamoff: This will be serving as a test-case of keeping docs in sync | 16:21 |
Jaffa | dneary: Cool. Kept at COULD or moved up? | 16:21 |
dneary | I have some doubts | 16:21 |
dneary | Move to SHOULD | 16:21 |
Jaffa | dneary: OK, cool. | 16:21 |
Andy80 | question: are commits to SVN in any of the projects in the Garage, currently counted for karma? | 16:22 |
dneary | timsamoff: Also, I assume you have seen http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide ? | 16:22 |
timsamoff | dneary: Yes. | 16:22 |
X-Fade | Andy80: no | 16:22 |
X-Fade | Andy80: Put your app in extras and in Downloads and you get karma from that. | 16:23 |
* Jaffa is going to make a MUST task for himself of identifying and/or communicating to tmo users to ensure they are aware of voting. There's an issue about account creation dates; but if someone has a talk.maemo.org account for 3 years and a maemo.org account for 2 weeks; I think they're included in both the letter and spirit of the "3 month rule" | 16:23 | |
sopi | Andy80: measuring commits is pretty nicely done by ohloh. wonder if we could import data from there somehow... | 16:24 |
danielwilms | dneary there was a request that we change the breadcrumbs...skip the "documentation"...but is this for anybody else a problem?!?...or is it ok to leave it like this and take the documentation page as an overview for further releases?? | 16:24 |
X-Fade | Jaffa: Maybe we should not be too strict about it this time. Next time we will have merged user bases. | 16:24 |
dneary | danielwilms: I don't mind | 16:24 |
Jaffa | X-Fade: indeed. The practical details need to be worked out. Hopefully at some point account merging will be addressed (the current situation is probably long term untenable) | 16:25 |
dneary | danielwilms: The important thing is that it be available | 16:25 |
X-Fade | Jaffa: With SSO will come merging, so.. | 16:25 |
dneary | The question is, is there anything else on the Documentation page? Because it does seem redundant | 16:25 |
X-Fade | dneary: There might be coming more. | 16:25 |
danielwilms | dneary: it will come | 16:25 |
Andy80 | X-Fade: counting Karma could make people move their projects to Garage, insted of developing them outside the garage and then publishing in Downloads... what do you think about? | 16:25 |
dneary | OK | 16:26 |
X-Fade | Andy80: I woudn't care where it was developed? As long as the app was good and source available, hence Extras ;) | 16:26 |
X-Fade | Andy80: Simply commit 1000 commits to gain karma is not doing anybody a favor. | 16:27 |
Andy80 | X-Fade: I don't mean it | 16:27 |
JimiDini | X-Fade: well, as long as the project is developed at garage it is acting as community-generator for maemo.org | 16:27 |
Andy80 | X-Fade: I mean that if a project is present in the garage, is something more like a "community developed" project | 16:27 |
sopi | Guys, shall we take this "svn commits to karma" discussion offline? | 16:27 |
X-Fade | JimiDini: Yeah, but we see projects opened for simple recompiles now. That doesn't help. | 16:27 |
X-Fade | sopi: Agreed. | 16:28 |
qgil | Proposing for me: MUST Summit budget v0.99 - SHOULD: Draft quality guidelines to promote apps from extras-testing to extras - COULD: 9.06-14 Plan for the OMAP2 acceleration drivers (((staying as COULD since they don't depend on me))) | 16:28 |
Jaffa | qgil: Cool. Will the draft quality guidelines feed into future maemian checks (where possible), or is it intended to be the more tester-focused stuff which we can't automatically check for? | 16:29 |
qgil | Jaffa: those guidelines are for humans | 16:29 |
jeremiah | Yeah, I will try to pick up that stuff and put it in maemian | 16:30 |
dneary | qgil: Some more MUSTs without names - I'd be interested in your feedback | 16:30 |
qgil | any guideline that can be automated should be applied already in the jump from devel to testing | 16:30 |
jeremiah | That which is machine-able. | 16:30 |
dneary | Approve or reject outstanding travel funding requests | 16:30 |
Jaffa | X-Fade: indeed, which is what mud's good for :) | 16:30 |
dneary | Depends on: finalise travel funding committee & process | 16:30 |
qgil | travel requests will be BAU I'm afraid until the very last week | 16:30 |
Jaffa | dneary: This being sponsorship for the summit for non-paid contributors? | 16:31 |
dneary | (Jaffa's proposal to have guidelines + subjective judgement is good, the thing they're missing is probably the ball-park) | 16:31 |
dneary | Jaffa: Yup | 16:31 |
qgil | dneary: I already sent to the council today a first budget they can count on for travel expenses (and marketing) | 16:31 |
dneary | Also, we probably need an accommodation option to house funded attendees so that we know how much accommodation will cost | 16:31 |
X-Fade | Maye a summit promotion task? | 16:31 |
Jaffa | dneary: Depends on Quim's budget, which is progressing. From what I've seen today, I'm guessing around the same number (maybe a dozen more) | 16:31 |
dneary | qgil: Cool | 16:31 |
qgil | maybe more budget will be available when we know more about other expenses | 16:31 |
dneary | X-Fade: Indeed, a Summit promotion task is also useful | 16:32 |
* Jaffa wonders which other council members are here he can delegate some stuff to... | 16:32 | |
Jaffa | Hmm. Just me or timsamoff | 16:32 |
timsamoff | Jaffa: Lay it on me... Maybe. :p | 16:32 |
Jaffa | Another MUST for me: drive the election process (although dneary does lots of work) | 16:32 |
Jaffa | timsamoff: Acting as task owner for the summit council responsibilities (I'll help) would be useful. Handling qgil's emails etc. | 16:33 |
timsamoff | qgil: After merchandise "items" are decided, who will take care of finding a vendor/printing/etc? | 16:33 |
dneary | Jaffa: Bear in mind (as with content & other summit tasks) holidays | 16:33 |
timsamoff | Jaffa: Ok. Will do. | 16:34 |
Andy80 | someone proposed a good thing few days ago in talk.maemo.org: Nokia or the Council should reserve rooms in Hotels as soon as possible, to try to get a big discount | 16:34 |
qgil | timsamoff: I think the community can do better and cooler merchandising than Nokia in community mode... | 16:34 |
timsamoff | qgil: Find someone in Summit location? (Last time everything was done in Germany, right?) | 16:34 |
qgil | Andy80: I think that finding the right accommodation ioptions is a good task for our dearest council member in Amsterdam | 16:34 |
Jaffa | dneary: Indeed. | 16:35 |
X-Fade | Heh ;) | 16:35 |
Andy80 | qgil: yes, good point. | 16:35 |
qgil | timsamoff: are you talking about finding accommodation or merchandising? | 16:35 |
timsamoff | Merchandise. Sorry -- two conversations. | 16:35 |
Jaffa | qgil: I'll talk to keesj about finding accomodation (distilling stuff like dneary's done on tmo) | 16:36 |
qgil | merchandising has two parts: design (can be done anywhere) and then production (the easiest part when you have the money, good to have a local to check things etc) | 16:36 |
timsamoff | qgil: Ok. | 16:36 |
qgil | I think keesj could also be the one for merchandising, unless he finds a good delegate | 16:37 |
Jaffa | We'll have a discussion, but it sounds like Nokia wants the community (and so, if not offloaded by us or we get a volunteer, the council) | 16:37 |
qgil | for the production, the design shouldn't be a problem in a community able to come up with 67 mascots in a weekend | 16:37 |
timsamoff | qgil: I'll take on organizing design on tmo -- thread already strated by you (IIRC). Then talk with Kees. | 16:37 |
Jaffa | qgil: True. Does Nokia want any veto on trademark usage? | 16:37 |
Jaffa | timsamoff: Cool | 16:38 |
dneary | qgil: Do we have a supplier in AMS? | 16:38 |
qgil | Jaffa: maemo.org logo and then it's about looking at the final work, but I don't foresee any problems within "common sense" | 16:38 |
Jaffa | qgil: /me nods | 16:38 |
dneary | qgil: For production, I mean | 16:39 |
qgil | dneary: there are millions of shirts sold in Amsterdam, but I don't know more than that - westergas knows for sure | 16:39 |
dneary | I might get a couple of ideas | 16:39 |
timsamoff | qgil & dneary: I'll speak with Kees about getting a list. I can email Westergas as well. | 16:40 |
Jaffa | Cool. So that's election & summit tasks progressing. Karma bugs. Extras and other bits and bobs. Anyone want to push anything else this sprint? It feels like we're nearly at capacity | 16:40 |
* timsamoff has a request for sopi. | 16:41 | |
sopi | timsamoff: yes | 16:41 |
timsamoff | For the Sprint page Qaiku feeds.... | 16:41 |
timsamoff | It's currently in a <ul>. | 16:41 |
VDVsx | Jaffa, don't forget a summit promotion/buzz task | 16:41 |
timsamoff | Could we get an output of date and username before post? | 16:41 |
VDVsx | I can help if needed | 16:41 |
timsamoff | Something more like an IRC output? | 16:41 |
Jaffa | VDVsx: OK, cool. | 16:42 |
VDVsx | also first banner by wazd: http://valeriovalerio.org/images/maemo_summit_banner1.png | 16:42 |
X-Fade | timsamoff: http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/maemork/ ? | 16:42 |
sopi | timsamoff: should be doable. | 16:42 |
Jaffa | timsamoff: It comes from the Atom feed, reprocessed via Yahoo! Pipes (by me) to turn it into RSS and then embedded into MediaWiki using the <rss /> extension | 16:42 |
dneary | Jaffa: Are you going to announce the election date? | 16:42 |
timsamoff | sopi: Cool. We don't need avatars or any crazy styling. Just a little more info. | 16:43 |
dneary | Jaffa: I'd like to be able to plan for candidate lists and the like | 16:43 |
Jaffa | dneary: Yes. | 16:43 |
timsamoff | sopi: would you be comfortable adding this as a COULD? | 16:43 |
Jaffa | timsamoff: Do you want a separate summit "buzz" task owned by VDVsx, with yours being more adminey? | 16:43 |
timsamoff | Sure. VDVsx has been doing an amazing job already! :) | 16:43 |
sopi | timsamoff: I will probably talk to Jaffa and see how this is done now. I can get it as a COULD, yes. | 16:44 |
dneary | Jaffa: Great | 16:44 |
timsamoff | sopi: Thanks. | 16:44 |
Jaffa | VDVsx: Summit buzz task: MUST. Probably one of "create buzz" or "sort out promotion plan" ;-) | 16:44 |
Jaffa | sopi: sounds like a plan | 16:44 |
dneary | timsamoff: Just curious, what buzzy stuff have we done so far? | 16:44 |
Jaffa | dneary: I'll talk with you a bit more out-of-band | 16:44 |
timsamoff | VDVsx has been Tweeting and posting on tmo. | 16:44 |
timsamoff | Blog posts too? | 16:45 |
dneary | OK | 16:45 |
timsamoff | http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23maesum | 16:45 |
timsamoff | (It'd be cool to have a Twitter live feed somewhere on m.o similar to the Qaiku feed!) ;) | 16:45 |
VDVsx | yup,please use Tim's hash tag for the summit twits | 16:46 |
VDVsx | #maesum :) | 16:46 |
Jaffa | timsamoff: Sticking an RSS feed of #maesum on the summit page is trivial. | 16:46 |
Jaffa | AOB? | 16:46 |
timsamoff | Could we add it as a SHOULD then? | 16:46 |
Jaffa | timsamoff: I'll do it this afternoon ;-p | 16:46 |
Jaffa | i.e. before I've written up the minutes | 16:47 |
qgil | er... are we done with the strict meeting? | 16:47 |
timsamoff | Jaffa: Awesome! | 16:47 |
Jaffa | timsamoff: BTW: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009#Latest_News :-) | 16:49 |
timsamoff | Jaffa: Well, dang. ;) | 16:49 |
VDVsx | lol | 16:49 |
Jaffa | Someone more than welcome to restyle the page to be a more bit front pagey. | 16:49 |
Jaffa | Anyway, thanks all. That seems to be it, as everyone's gone quiet. | 16:50 |
Jaffa | I'll write these up on the wiki and send out a notice to maemo-community, and anyone committed to a task, when I've done it. | 16:50 |
timsamoff | Jaffa: Thank you! | 16:50 |
sopi | Thanks Jaffa and thanks to all! | 16:50 |
JimiDini | Jaffa: did my task about integrating maemo.org with SSO get into the list? :) | 16:50 |
VDVsx | qgil, btw, nokia will do some marketing/promotion of to summit also ? | 16:50 |
Jaffa | JimiDini: It did. Well, I saw it go past, and I go through the minutes again with a fine tooth comb :) | 16:51 |
danielwilms | ok...bye bye | 16:51 |
JimiDini | great | 16:51 |
JimiDini | thanks all. bye :) | 16:51 |
sopi | bye! | 16:51 |
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andre__ | bye | 16:51 |
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jeremiah | Ciao! | 16:52 |
qgil | VDVsx: yes, but now they are concentrating promoting Nokia World ;) | 16:52 |
X-Fade | qgil: Ah that small event, we should be much larger ;) | 16:53 |
VDVsx | lol | 16:53 |
Jaffa | And more exciting! | 16:53 |
timsamoff | ;D | 16:53 |
dneary | Thanks all! Bye. | 16:54 |
qgil | more seriously, VDVsx Nokia will help contacting and inviting some on-topic media, and also through the Maemo channel of company partners, other units... | 16:55 |
qgil | they are interested in Fremantle, but also in Harmattan | 16:55 |
jeremiah | Cool. | 16:55 |
jeremiah | People from Intel for example? | 16:55 |
dneary | jeremiah: I've been thinking of that for a community keynote | 16:56 |
jeremiah | I think there is a lot of synergy between us and Moblin. | 16:57 |
VDVsx | oh, if someone has ideas for a good keynote, please shot | 16:57 |
VDVsx | dneary, we can also ask in tmo | 16:57 |
timsamoff | Bye! | 16:59 |
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dneary | VDVsx: We don't have a huge amount of time if we want to invite someone good | 17:01 |
dneary | VDVsx: And you can lose a lot of time brainstorming a list of great speakers who aren't available | 17:01 |
dneary | The added advantage of AMS is that there are some really great projects not far from us | 17:02 |
VDVsx | dneary, true | 17:02 |
qgil | alright, bye! | 17:04 |
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