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| GeneralAntilles | I've never chaired one of these things at 1024x768 before. Should be fun. ;) | 15:00 |
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| dneary | Ho hum | 15:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Indeed | 15:12 |
| dneary | Upgrading to 9.04 - I thought it'd only take an hour | 15:12 |
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| dneary | I cxan catch up with email backlog while waitin | 15:12 |
| dneary | g | 15:12 |
| dneary | what does the resolution have to do with chairing? | 15:12 |
| jeremiah_ | The resolution of the chair? | 15:13 |
| dneary | I do IRC meetings in a tiny window by those standards | 15:13 |
| dneary | It must be about 900x600 | 15:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | dneary: sorting through about a half-dozen browser windows, a text editor, and an IRC client when I'm used to 4x1680x1050. | 15:16 |
| jeremiah_ | GeneralAntilles: Have you seen the 'awesome' window manager? | 15:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Rat poison? | 15:17 |
| jeremiah_ | I kinda like. | 15:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Mna, I totally failed at generating a user list for the meeting. | 15:19 |
| bergie | who's chairing today's meeting? | 15:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yo! | 15:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa's camping in Normandy, the bastard. | 15:22 |
| timsamoff | I'm jealous. | 15:23 |
| dneary | bergie: The Chair | 15:24 |
| dneary | timsamoff: Weather in Normandy is horrible today | 15:25 |
| jeremiah_ | Bergie: Will you be in Copenhagen? | 15:25 |
| bergie | jeremiah_: yeah, depending if I find a good flight from Salzburg | 15:25 |
| qole | OK, coffee in hand, housecoat on. | 15:25 |
| timsamoff | dneary: Ah, well, Jaffa suffers then, eh? :p | 15:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good! | 15:25 |
| jeremiah_ | qole: Housecoat? | 15:25 |
| * timsamoff just sipped the last drop of coffee in the maker. :() | 15:25 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Who stole the coffee from the coffee pot? | 15:26 |
| timsamoff | My wife. | 15:26 |
| qole | jeremiah_: definition of the term, or why am I wearing it? | 15:26 |
| jeremiah_ | qole: Little of both actually. :) | 15:26 |
| timsamoff | Oh, you guys _wish_ I was in my housecoat. | 15:27 |
| jeremiah_ | I have an image of an older woman in curlers and a patterned garment that reaches to her ankles | 15:27 |
| dneary | I won't be at the Mozilla thing | 15:27 |
| qole | jeremiah_: It is a cold, dark, rainy morning, and my pajamas were insufficient | 15:27 |
| jeremiah_ | Sounds gloomy. | 15:27 |
| jeremiah_ | Same thing here, only afternoon. | 15:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Balmy 77°F at 9:30 AM here | 15:28 |
| qole | I have the light of my monitor and my fresh coffee to keep me warm :-) | 15:28 |
| jeremiah_ | qole: You are in Vancouver? | 15:28 |
| qole | Yes | 15:28 |
| jeremiah_ | A hockey mad city isn't it? | 15:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Get your edits in now, I'm protecting the April 09 page momentarily | 15:29 |
| jeremiah_ | The maemo media player keeps dropping the stream I am listening t0. :/ | 15:29 |
| bergie | GeneralAntilles: brainstorm is done, can I still mark that? | 15:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | bergie, mark away | 15:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, no Quim I guess. | 15:31 |
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| bergie | ok, done | 15:32 |
| qole | here's a nice webcam of Vancouver: http://www.katkam.ca/ | 15:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | tekojo, if you're in rock-throwing distance of qgil, mind lobbing one over in his direction? ;) | 15:32 |
| tekojo | I'll take a look :-) | 15:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Let's get started then. | 15:32 |
| jeremiah_ | Nice | 15:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Going through the names as listed here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints/May_09/Meeting#Agenda | 15:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | No qgil, so let's start with (idle) ferenc? | 15:32 |
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| qgil | hi there | 15:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'morning, qgil | 15:33 |
| qgil | yawn | 15:33 |
| bergie | hi qgil | 15:33 |
| qole | 9C / 48 F here | 15:33 |
| qgil | terve :) | 15:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | I guess ferenc is not with us yet, so back to qgil. | 15:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, texts for maemo.nokia.com? | 15:34 |
| qgil | are you reviewing April? | 15:34 |
| qgil | I reported in the wiki page | 15:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 15:34 |
| qgil | nothing to add | 15:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK | 15:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Same for the Summit venue? | 15:34 |
| qgil | if you have questions I'm happy to answer of course :) | 15:34 |
| qgil | yes | 15:35 |
| timsamoff | qgil: What help do you need with 8.11-01 to finish? | 15:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, (not really sure how Jaffa changed things up, so bear with me ;)), then ferenc1, git progress? | 15:35 |
| qgil | 8.11-01... | 15:35 |
| timsamoff | "Texts for maemo.nokia.com" | 15:35 |
| qgil | ah, the texts | 15:35 |
| qgil | I need to empty 20% of my head and then concentrate on that until it's done | 15:36 |
| qgil | while getting help improving that | 15:36 |
| timsamoff | If there are specific areas where I can help, let me know. | 15:36 |
| qgil | before I can start, little help apart from nagging me (appreciated, really) | 15:36 |
| timsamoff | Ok. | 15:36 |
| qgil | thanks | 15:36 |
| qgil | I saw you edits btw | 15:36 |
| timsamoff | Yes, | 15:37 |
| timsamoff | . | 15:37 |
| qole | BTW, what IS maemo.nokia.com? | 15:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, guess ferenc1 isn't quite with us. | 15:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | bergie, Maemo brainstorm? | 15:38 |
| ferenc1 | i am | 15:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, ok then, hold that bergie | 15:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | ferenc1, git for Garage progress? | 15:38 |
| qgil | qole: the future of http://nokia.com/os2008 once Maemo 5 is launched | 15:38 |
| bergie | roger | 15:38 |
| ferenc1 | 9.04-01 : the script is working from command line, we tested it with the modest repo (quite big) | 15:39 |
| dneary | The orange links on the tomato background ... eugh... | 15:39 |
| qole | qgil: Thanks, people keep talking about it, but it doesn't resolve in my browser... | 15:39 |
| ferenc1 | BUT there is no UI. | 15:39 |
| ferenc1 | I will complete the UI part in May and then we can enable that for "subversion" based projects. | 15:39 |
| ferenc1 | 9.04-02: the gitweb UI is not skinned, so that is the only outstanding task form that | 15:40 |
| timsamoff | qole: Ask qgil to go kick Jussi. ;) | 15:40 |
| ferenc1 | that's all about my two tasks. question please? | 15:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | ferenc1, OK, carry both tasks over to May and add a UI task, then? | 15:40 |
| ferenc1 | GeneralAntilles: yes | 15:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Excellent. OK, bergie, Maemo brainstorm? | 15:41 |
| bergie | yep | 15:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or, I guess that's NetBlade | 15:41 |
| bergie | so... the app is done, and was in testing in internal this week | 15:42 |
| bergie | today it was installed on live server | 15:42 |
| NetBlade | GeneralAntilles: well, actually both of us | 15:42 |
| bergie | and now the plan is to "soft launch it" | 15:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | (dneary, this screen resolution is killing me ;)) | 15:42 |
| bergie | meaning that the app is available, but we first tell about it (and give perms) to some chosen people | 15:42 |
| X-Fade | We need to discuss the brainstorm workflow. Maybe in a separate meeting. | 15:42 |
| bergie | as now the big question is the process related to it... who shall be moderators etc | 15:42 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: disk I/O of the Ubuntu upgrade is killing me | 15:43 |
| bergie | moderators being the people who deal with http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brainstorm#Workflow | 15:43 |
| dneary | bergie: I'd like to help with the social aspects of how the brainstorm will work | 15:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, that sounds like a good plan. Do we want to try to schedule something for next week sometime? Hammer out workflow, style and layout details, staff, etc? | 15:43 |
| bergie | dneary: yep, that is the big part we need to do now | 15:43 |
| dneary | bergie: I guess we need a list of concrete deliverables | 15:44 |
| tekojo | GeneralAntilles: can we take the moderators discussion right now? | 15:44 |
| dneary | & people :) | 15:44 |
| bergie | GeneralAntilles: I think styling should be pretty OK now, so this is more about deciding and testing the workflow | 15:44 |
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| timsamoff | GeneralAntilles: +1 on within the next week. | 15:44 |
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| bergie | of course, there may be some bug fixing or finetuning during may, but that we can handle via Bugzilla as normal :-) | 15:44 |
| qgil | jussi & me need to be involved in that workflow to make it fit with Nokia's workflow | 15:44 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, let's do a separate meeting. | 15:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | tekojo, I'd rather take the whole thing once we have a better idea of the workflow etc. | 15:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most of us haven't really seen the brainstorm. | 15:45 |
| X-Fade | Then we can also explain how everything works and iron out the problems. | 15:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody ping the list to set up a time for that next week, then. | 15:45 |
| tekojo | GeneralAntilles: ok | 15:45 |
| bergie | GeneralAntilles: the URL isn't hard to guess, but there is still no content there (and perms need to be set ;-) | 15:45 |
| dneary | So - what are the tasks? Do I have any of them? | 15:45 |
| bergie | ok, so we need a meeting to discuss the moderators, workflow and launch communications | 15:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Um, deploy, figure out the workflow, and decide on moderators? | 15:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, do you want to pick up the workflow? | 15:46 |
| NetBlade | as soon as someone gives me some perms to the live site, I'll add some real ideas there | 15:46 |
| dneary | This may be a silly question, but it never stopped me before... | 15:47 |
| bergie | the workflow inside the app itself is described on the wiki page, but the question is how people deal with that | 15:47 |
| dneary | Why do we need to spend time working out the workflow? | 15:47 |
| timsamoff | dneary & X-Fade: Should we think about Brinastorm being one of the main nav options? Or put it in the Community section? | 15:47 |
| dneary | Aren't we just copying Ideastorm, which we know works? | 15:47 |
| bergie | timsamoff: there is no space in main nav :-( | 15:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, apparently Quim and Jussi need to be involved to make it fit with Nokia's workflow. ;) | 15:47 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Yeah, but it is how we handle ideas that needs to fit us and Nokia. | 15:47 |
| bergie | dneary: yes, and the workflow is the same. But who are the moderators etc | 15:47 |
| timsamoff | bergie: I know. It's a big deal, though... Or, is it? | 15:48 |
| dneary | bergie: Yes, I agree that's something to figure out | 15:48 |
| X-Fade | timsamoff: Let's just test it first and worry about placing later ;) | 15:48 |
| bergie | timsamoff: with the newstyle it is | 15:48 |
| dneary | And not just who they are, but guidelines for moderation | 15:48 |
| dneary | That's the task I want to help with | 15:48 |
| dneary | (take ownership of, even) | 15:48 |
| timsamoff | bergie: No, I mean the "functionality" not the difficulty of adding it. | 15:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, dneary, assigning the moderation task for you, then. | 15:48 |
| bergie | I'll create a "Brainstorm moderators" group now, and will add people there as qgil sees fit :-) | 15:48 |
| timsamoff | bergie: But we can discuss more later. | 15:48 |
| qole | bah, none of the "easy to guess" URLs are working for me... | 15:49 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: OK - but nothing to do with analysing the workflow, please :) | 15:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Let's leave the rest off for the meeting next week. | 15:49 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: I'm not talking about requirements or complexity to that workflow | 15:49 |
| dneary | maemo.org/brainstorm doesn't work | 15:49 |
| tekojo | qole hint, it has community and brainstorm in it | 15:49 |
| qgil | it's just that it makes sense to be involved so we can see where our product managers and whoever fit best | 15:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, OK. | 15:49 |
| qole | tekojo, yep that did it | 15:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | bergie, are you OK for owning the deployment for May? | 15:50 |
| bergie | GeneralAntilles: deployment is done, the human aspects of the launch are not | 15:50 |
| qgil | tekojo: thanks, cool :) | 15:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | We'll leave Dave's moderators as the only task on that, then. | 15:51 |
| X-Fade | We also need somebody to write a howto document. | 15:51 |
| X-Fade | Or at least some user documentation. | 15:51 |
| * timsamoff as a robot feels slighted. | 15:51 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Docs I can do, I'll take that. | 15:51 |
| NetBlade | X-Fade: I'm planning to make a couple screencasts after everything is accepted | 15:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, then, moving on. bergie, 9.04-07: karma for applications? | 15:51 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: And what people can expect when creating an idea. | 15:52 |
| dneary | X-Fade: I guess the docmaster can take that on - but I'd like not to have to do it all on my own | 15:52 |
| bergie | GeneralAntilles: ok... | 15:52 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Go ahead ;) | 15:52 |
| dneary | And I'd like a more precise charter for what needs to go in there | 15:52 |
| dneary | :) | 15:52 |
| bergie | we had two separate tasks for app karma: planning it, and implementing it | 15:52 |
| timsamoff | dneary: I can help as always. | 15:52 |
| bergie | since Hirvinen isn't with us any longer we couldn't do both of them | 15:52 |
| dneary | timsamoff: Thanks :) | 15:52 |
| bergie | app karma plan was updated by me (and X-Fade), so that should be fine | 15:53 |
| dneary | I'm also going to be looking for help off the person who implemented brainstorm | 15:53 |
| X-Fade | The implementation details for app karma have been hased out. | 15:53 |
| dneary | bergie: Was that Hirvinen? | 15:53 |
| bergie | but implementation will have to be in May sprint | 15:53 |
| X-Fade | So implementation can go ahead now. | 15:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, sounds good. | 15:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | bergie, you want to own the implementation? | 15:53 |
| bergie | yep | 15:53 |
| NetBlade | dneary: it was me | 15:53 |
| dneary | NetBlade: OK - and you're Lauris? No - that's Neithan | 15:54 |
| NetBlade | dneary: I'm Oskari | 15:54 |
| dneary | OK | 15:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, X-Fade, remaining layout and style implementations on maemo.org? I'm planning on picking up MXR and Bugzilla. | 15:54 |
| dneary | Thanks | 15:54 |
| X-Fade | Put me down for lists. | 15:55 |
| X-Fade | and promoter. | 15:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK | 15:55 |
| X-Fade | Nemein is going to do garage? | 15:55 |
| NetBlade | dneary: If you have some questions, ask on monday, 'cos I'm on sickleave until today and tomorrow | 15:55 |
| bergie | X-Fade: I think we & ferenc1 will do garage | 15:56 |
| dneary | NetBlade: Tomorrow is a public holiday in France | 15:56 |
| dneary | We're going walking in the countryside | 15:56 |
| dneary | No email | 15:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | bergie, which of you wants to own it? | 15:56 |
| NetBlade | dneary: aah, ok, well that works just fine | 15:56 |
| bergie | dneary: tomorrow is Midgard's 10th anniversary so we will all be wasted anyway ;-) | 15:56 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: So we have everything covered? | 15:56 |
| dneary | And I'm running a marathon this weekend (my first! Wish me luck everyone) | 15:56 |
| qgil | I think Garage should be changed only at a header footer, level, nothing else. not worth | 15:56 |
| bergie | GeneralAntilles: Ferenc I think | 15:56 |
| dneary | So it'll be Monday, at the earliest | 15:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, yeah, looks like it. | 15:56 |
| NetBlade | dneary: yep | 15:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | bergie, OK. | 15:57 |
| ferenc1 | GeneralAntilles: yes, i can take care of the garage skin. | 15:57 |
| tekojo | I second qgil on the minimal facelift for garage | 15:57 |
| ferenc1 | qgil: i agree | 15:57 |
| dneary | qgil: I agree with yoyu | 15:57 |
| ferenc1 | :) | 15:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anything more than that sounds like you're likely to end up killing yourself with gforge. | 15:58 |
| timsamoff | All in agreement! Wow. Warm and fussy. | 15:58 |
| dneary | Header, footer & primary colour scheme (background, link colours, headers) | 15:58 |
| dneary | Is Neithan still available for some tweaks on the new style? | 15:58 |
| timsamoff | s/fussy/fuzy | 15:58 |
| bergie | dneary: yes, he returns tomorrow from holidays | 15:58 |
| ferenc1 | GeneralAntilles: GForge is not that evil, one just has to get a bit friendly to it ;) | 15:59 |
| bergie | FYI: brainstorm moderation privs given to qgil, x-fade and netblade | 15:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK then, jeremiah_, 9.03-02: Maemian? | 15:59 |
| qgil | thx bergie | 15:59 |
| jeremiah_ | GeneralAntilles: Well, maemian sources from Nokia have been received. | 16:00 |
| NetBlade | I'll add today those ideas andre mailed me | 16:00 |
| jeremiah_ | They need to be integrated into the debian branch and put out in garage. | 16:00 |
| jeremiah_ | I need to do some test running of maemian before it is useful. | 16:00 |
| jeremiah_ | Right now it is really debian centric. | 16:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Carry over to May, then? | 16:01 |
| jeremiah_ | Yes please. | 16:01 |
| X-Fade | I propose backlog | 16:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, backlog? | 16:01 |
| X-Fade | Let's try to commit only to things we are certain to complete. | 16:01 |
| bergie | dneary has moderation privs too | 16:01 |
| X-Fade | this sprint | 16:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, jeremiah_, are you good with that? | 16:02 |
| dneary | bergie? | 16:02 |
| dneary | moderation of what? | 16:02 |
| bergie | dneary: for brainstorm :-) | 16:02 |
| dneary | ah | 16:02 |
| dneary | yes | 16:02 |
| jeremiah_ | GeneralAntilles: Yes - there is no way I will be able to finish maemian by May. | 16:02 |
| qgil | I really suggest we stick to 1 must, 1 should and 1 could max | 16:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, backlog it is then. | 16:02 |
| jeremiah_ | So backlog is fine. | 16:02 |
| dneary | I also expect to be spending time on the summit as soon as we have dates and a venue | 16:02 |
| jeremiah_ | qgil: That is fine with me. | 16:02 |
| dneary | And I have a "could" in mind | 16:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | 9.03-03, then, update canonical list of external repos | 16:03 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah_: Can I suggest setting a minimal form of QA for extras for this sprint? | 16:03 |
| dneary | Which I honestly don't expect to get done, so we could even not mention it | 16:03 |
| jeremiah_ | X-Fade: Yes. | 16:03 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah_: Then I will add that as my target too ;) | 16:03 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah_: And MUST in this case.. | 16:03 |
| jeremiah_ | I will set that as a must: Minimal QA test | 16:03 |
| X-Fade | Great, let's hope we can hack a bit on the meeting too. | 16:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade/jeremiah_, noted. | 16:04 |
| jeremiah_ | X-Fade: Cool, you mean in Copenhagen? | 16:04 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah_: yep | 16:04 |
| jeremiah_ | That would be great | 16:04 |
| qgil | jeremiah_: it would be definitely good to have some kind of jump from -devel to -tsting in place for the Danish Weekend | 16:04 |
| jeremiah_ | qgil: I will set that as my target then | 16:04 |
| qgil | ar right after the Danish Weekend ;) | 16:04 |
| jeremiah_ | I think it is definitely doable. | 16:05 |
| X-Fade | qgil: I'll cook up a plan together with Jeremiah. So we do some actual work ;) | 16:05 |
| jeremiah_ | BTW, has everyone or anyone looked at http://test.maemo.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi ? | 16:05 |
| jeremiah_ | An rough prototype of a package search ^^ | 16:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, but looks like a nice start | 16:06 |
| andre__ | i took a quick look on it | 16:06 |
| timsamoff | jeremiah_: Works nicely. | 16:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | packages.maemo.org will be a big help | 16:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can finally kill gronmayer once and for all. | 16:06 |
| andre__ | good for a start, will file feature requests later ;-) | 16:06 |
| jeremiah_ | I think people want a more debian like packages page, but their internal code is often undocumented | 16:06 |
| jeremiah_ | And a bit of an overkill | 16:06 |
| jeremiah_ | So maybe we can build this out ourselves? | 16:07 |
| jeremiah_ | Perhaps it isn't a priority right now, but soon? | 16:07 |
| qgil | jeremiah_: something functional, light and easy to deploy is enough for now imo | 16:07 |
| jeremiah_ | qgil: I totally agree. | 16:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Make it simple to start with and pretty to look at. | 16:07 |
| X-Fade | yeah, adding some links and basic info should be enough. | 16:07 |
| qgil | but otoh if it's not urgently needed we can wait | 16:07 |
| qgil | since perhaps Maemo one day.... | 16:07 |
| jeremiah_ | . . . | 16:08 |
| bergie | jeremiah_: should that pull some info from maemo Downloads too? | 16:08 |
| jeremiah_ | bergie: Probably. :) | 16:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd prefer to see the QA in place before we worry about the search. | 16:08 |
| X-Fade | Agreed | 16:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, jeremiah_, 9.03-03: external reposistories list? | 16:08 |
| jeremiah_ | Right now it is just limited to diablo binary-armel :) | 16:08 |
| jeremiah_ | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, I just wanted to mention that search was possible and that we can do it realatively easily. | 16:08 |
| jeremiah_ | But I will keep QA as my number one focus in May. | 16:09 |
| qole | jeremiah, diablo binary-armel free? | 16:09 |
| jeremiah_ | qole: Indeed. :) | 16:09 |
| jeremiah_ | qole: You know your repos. | 16:09 |
| qole | jeremiah, no I know my own package :-) | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | jeremiah_, I know YOU know, just stating my logic for not trying to get anything committed. :P | 16:09 |
| jeremiah_ | GeneralAntilles: Cool. :) Just trying to be explicit. | 16:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, 9.03-03? | 16:10 |
| jeremiah_ | Yes! | 16:11 |
| jeremiah_ | That's me! | 16:11 |
| jeremiah_ | Okay, I have taken a look at this and updated the list a bit | 16:11 |
| jeremiah_ | It needs more work. | 16:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | This kind of seems like an ongoing task to me. | 16:12 |
| jeremiah_ | GeneralAntilles: Indeed, requires reading lots of talk.m.o pages | 16:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | We haven't had many (any?) real repo openings in the past few months, but as they pop up they'll need to be added. | 16:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do we want to backlog it? | 16:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's nice to have a complete list, but isn't really a Must sort of thing. | 16:13 |
| X-Fade | Let's clean up the tasks. | 16:13 |
| jeremiah_ | GeneralAntilles: Up to you - I am kind of ambivalent toward trying to reduce | 16:13 |
| X-Fade | Long running tasks should be backlogged. | 16:13 |
| jeremiah_ | external repos | 16:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Backlog it is. | 16:13 |
| jeremiah_ | I think good QA will make maemo the default place | 16:13 |
| jeremiah_ | for packages | 16:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, then, 9.03-04, contacting outstanding owners? | 16:13 |
| jeremiah_ | GeneralAntilles: I contacted a couple, got a good response, contacted a couple others, got no response | 16:14 |
| jeremiah_ | I note that qole has opened a repo - but I think he has a good reason | 16:14 |
| jeremiah_ | Since his blobs are rather large. | 16:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | About how many are left to be contacted? | 16:14 |
| jeremiah_ | GeneralAntilles: More than 50% | 16:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, we'll carry this one over, then. | 16:15 |
| jeremiah_ | okay | 16:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Let's get a list together and I can help emailing | 16:15 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah_: Yeah, but he has a debian repo. Not maemo compatible. | 16:15 |
| qole | jeremiah_, I am also collecting binary-only packages posted only to t.m.o | 16:15 |
| jeremiah_ | Ah okay. | 16:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | qole, if you could try to make sure all those people are directed towards Extras and whatever issues they have with Extras are known about by the team. . . . | 16:16 |
| jeremiah_ | I think it is totally cool to have external repos, we just need to make maemo.org _THE_ place for good packages | 16:16 |
| jeremiah_ | Which I think it is already becoming. | 16:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, then, 9.04-08 Propose ITP process/workflow? | 16:16 |
| jeremiah_ | I have a URL for that. | 16:16 |
| jeremiah_ | Just a short sketch: http://wiki.maemo.org/ITP | 16:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do we want to carry this one over to May, then? | 16:17 |
| jeremiah_ | I am not sure if we want to do this via email on garage or what? | 16:17 |
| qole | GeneralAntilles, of course. I don't like external repositories any more than you do, but sometimes there's just nowhere else for "miscellaneous" stuff to go | 16:17 |
| jeremiah_ | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, happy to carry over to May. | 16:17 |
| jeremiah_ | But the proposal is done, now we need to reach consensus and implement. | 16:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | 9.04-10, port packages from Diablo -> Fremantle? | 16:18 |
| dneary | jeremiah_: Just making sure you know you can push tasks you don't think will get finished during the month to backlog, or ongoing | 16:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | jeremiah_, OK, changing task title to reflect that. | 16:18 |
| qole | jeremiah, will we also be getting the RFP as well? | 16:18 |
| jeremiah_ | dneary: Yeah, so far, so good. | 16:18 |
| dneary | OK How many are you signed up to for May? | 16:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure I "get" 9.04-10? | 16:19 |
| jeremiah_ | The package porting is one of those that is a huge task on the other hand. | 16:19 |
| timsamoff | jeremiah_: +1 on using garage for ITP | 16:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, 3 so far. | 16:19 |
| jeremiah_ | qole: I thought we might as well. | 16:19 |
| jeremiah_ | Since the two seem to go together well. | 16:19 |
| jeremiah_ | And we can find out what kind of stuff people want. | 16:19 |
| qole | jeremiah_, that's really wonderful. I will begin using it as soon as it becomes available. | 16:19 |
| ferenc1 | ITP: we can introduce a new group role: "package maintainer", so when you want to join a project you can choose this role.. | 16:20 |
| ferenc1 | the project admin will see the intent clearly. it is a 2 minutes job, roughly ;) | 16:20 |
| jeremiah_ | GeneralAntilles: When someone uploads a new version of a package, the old version is kept. | 16:20 |
| jeremiah_ | So we have lots of packages with lots of versions. | 16:20 |
| jeremiah_ | This slows down the experience for the user in the AM | 16:21 |
| jeremiah_ | I elminated about 1/3 (or over 6 gigs) of packages from the repos. | 16:21 |
| jeremiah_ | Saving space and hopefully improving performance | 16:21 |
| jeremiah_ | on the tablet when browsing packages. | 16:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh hell, duplicate task IDs. | 16:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | x3 | 16:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, the CLEANUP I get, I'm not sure on the "Port packages from diablo -> fremantle" though. | 16:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | This sort of sounds like a backlog task based on the title. | 16:22 |
| jeremiah_ | heh | 16:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Are these just random Extras packages, or? | 16:22 |
| X-Fade | The idea was to have an automated test run. | 16:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Aaaaaah | 16:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | That makes sense. | 16:23 |
| X-Fade | Like we did for chinook->diablo | 16:23 |
| jeremiah_ | Yeah, test to see if they build | 16:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, is it something we can fit in May? | 16:23 |
| jeremiah_ | It is rather complicated though. | 16:23 |
| X-Fade | Jeremah has scripts for it. | 16:23 |
| jeremiah_ | I am hesitant, seeing as I don't want to over-commit and under delivery | 16:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, I'll mark it as a Could for May, then? | 16:23 |
| jeremiah_ | which I feel I sorta did in April | 16:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'd be nice to give app devs as much of a headstart as we can, but the QA stuff takes precedence. | 16:24 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, could or MAYBEIFTHEREISABITOFTMELEFT. | 16:24 |
| jeremiah_ | But I know that people want this done and X-Fade feels its important | 16:24 |
| jeremiah_ | X-Fade: I think that might be the best option. | 16:24 |
| mikkov_ | if it's not done in May it's probably not needed at all | 16:24 |
| jeremiah_ | So no backlog, but maybe 'could' | 16:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, that makes 4, slightly over committed but it's not the end of the world. | 16:24 |
| jeremiah_ | mikkov_: Yeah, are things being done behind the scenes which might obviate its need? | 16:25 |
| jeremiah_ | The last could should probably be 'unlikely' | 16:25 |
| X-Fade | I think we can do a run where we at least add all libs, so porting is easier for people. | 16:25 |
| jeremiah_ | X-Fade: We have a build order already | 16:25 |
| jeremiah_ | Or a proposed build order. | 16:25 |
| qole | GeneralAntilles: I've got about 10 mins left, anything I need to comment on? (sorry to disrupt order of meeting) | 16:25 |
| mikkov_ | jeremiah: packager are porting packages all the time and there isn't much left soon | 16:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, we'll do that, jeremiah_, hold on your last task and I'm going to jump ahead to qole. | 16:26 |
| jeremiah_ | mikkov_: Ah, okay. | 16:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | . . . who is 100% on both tasks. | 16:26 |
| jeremiah_ | GeneralAntilles: Right! | 16:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | qole, any outstanding comments you want to add? | 16:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | or anything you want to commit for May? | 16:27 |
| qole | I'd like to keep working on Alternative Desktops and add a page about Emulators / VMs | 16:27 |
| qole | I've also committed to qgil to do a Alternatives sticky for t.m.o | 16:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, "Finish up Alternate desktops page", "Created page for Emulators and VMs" and "Alternatives sticky for Talk" ? | 16:28 |
| qole | Sure, anyone else want to burden me? ;-) | 16:28 |
| penguinbait | I told Quim I would be glad to help qole with the Sticky threads, if you can give me some direction as to what you are doing | 16:28 |
| penguinbait | qole contact me if I can be of help | 16:28 |
| qole | penguinbait, sure, there's a thread in t.m.o | 16:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, thanks, qole! | 16:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | jeremiah_, back to you, Diagnose autobuilder issues? | 16:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | This really sounds like a backlog task to me. | 16:29 |
| jeremiah_ | Yes, it is. | 16:30 |
| jeremiah_ | I should not have added it. :( | 16:30 |
| X-Fade | I think this is not a problem? If if ever was? | 16:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Something that can just be worked on from Bugzilla, really. | 16:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Backlogging, anyway. | 16:30 |
| jeremiah_ | X-Fade: I have a note about it at home, we can take it up in Bugzilla. | 16:30 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah_: Yeah, if it is broken, it is a bug ;) | 16:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, danielwilms, 9.04-09: Setup SSO testing environment? | 16:31 |
| jeremiah_ | X-Fade: I won't say broken, but there is something I wanted to mention. | 16:31 |
| danielwilms | i'm on the way to it | 16:31 |
| danielwilms | cas server is running | 16:31 |
| danielwilms | wiki on the way to be integrated | 16:31 |
| bergie | danielwilms: we've booked some time for the SSO testing stuff this month | 16:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, carry it over to May then? | 16:31 |
| danielwilms | it is already for may | 16:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, see that. | 16:32 |
| X-Fade | Sharp ;) | 16:32 |
| * GeneralAntilles isn't used to Jaffa's new system. | 16:32 | |
| danielwilms | sorry have to update the wiki page with the status | 16:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, sounds fine to me. | 16:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, 9.02-01, List Maemo Bugzilla patches? | 16:32 |
| qgil | danielwilms: forgot to tell you that this morning I took the liberty to create http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=28800 | 16:33 |
| andre__ | in progress, but things take longer than expected. :-/ Currently probably 30-40% completed (uhm, looks like my wikipage update got lost in the wifi trouble I had yesterday). | 16:33 |
| andre__ | Bugzilla/Config.pm, Bugzilla/User.pm and contrib/bugzilla.procmailrc contain some stuff I don't get, going to ping Ferenc and Karsten later this month who should have more clue. :) | 16:33 |
| qgil | since people were asking again and again | 16:33 |
| andre__ | My aim for this sprint: SHOULD have a *complete* diff that can be applied to a vanilla Bugzilla 3.4. COULD: Have a 3.4 test installation on test.maemo.org by the end of the sprint (3.4 should be released this month) | 16:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oooh | 16:33 |
| danielwilms | qgil: saw that...it was good :) | 16:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sounds tasty. | 16:33 |
| jeremiah_ | andre__: Those are perl files! w00t! | 16:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, I kinda want to poke around at layouts a bit, but was waiting for 3.4 | 16:33 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, please don't wait | 16:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, we'll carry it over as a should. Gotta have andre__ doing something this month. :P | 16:34 |
| andre__ | heh :) | 16:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, layouts for improvements, not Newstyle. | 16:34 |
| andre__ | Apart from that, at the bugfront: Got a few nice SDK beta reports in the last two weeks, but mostly by just two or three persons. No idea if either Fremantle SDK is bug-free or people are just too lazy to file tickets... Hence a call again to everybody now that I have the hardcore maemo.org folks around here: Spread the word, tell people (on mailing lists, in forums) to file tickets (Fremantle stuff definitely prefered, we all know that Diablo d | 16:34 |
| andre__ | oesn't get that much attention by Nokia anymore) | 16:34 |
| danielwilms | bergie: lets discuss tomorrow a bit how to go on with the testing | 16:34 |
| bergie | danielwilms: yep... we'll be in Ruoholahti at 2pm | 16:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, that wraps of last month's review (whew!). | 16:35 |
| jeremiah_ | bergie: I wish I could be there, but it is looking unlikely. | 16:35 |
| andre__ | jeremiah_, yeah, i don't speak every language on this planet :-P | 16:35 |
| jeremiah_ | andre__: :P | 16:35 |
| andre__ | (unfortunately) | 16:36 |
| bergie | jeremiah_: do your best :-) | 16:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anything anybody wants to pick up from the backlog? http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_backlog | 16:36 |
| jeremiah_ | bergie: Will do. :) | 16:36 |
| bergie | GeneralAntilles: "app catalog feeds" will be somewhat related to app karma, but now the task is a bit vague | 16:36 |
| ferenc1 | GA: Task:Using garage.maemo.org | 16:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | bergie, we may want to look at Talk/Downloads integration at some point in the future, but most of that task is invalidated by Talk. | 16:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | We should probably drop it from the backlog and regroup later. | 16:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | ferenc1, OK. | 16:37 |
| bergie | +1 | 16:37 |
| timsamoff | Agreed. maemo.org as a whole should take care of that. | 16:38 |
| reggie_itT | +1 | 16:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, not much on the proposals, page, but: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_proposals | 16:38 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: so I think my tasks are: MUST sign off summit venue 9.03-01 - SHOULD maemo.nokia.com texts 8.11-01 and COULD... did I get the moderation task or not bergie (and what is that exactly?) :) | 16:38 |
| dneary | In the backlog, I see "Plan for brainstorm" - isn't that DONE? | 16:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, dneary picked up the moderators task for Brainstorm. | 16:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, that is is. | 16:39 |
| qgil | perfect | 16:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | We can drop that, then. | 16:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, noted on the rest. | 16:39 |
| qgil | SingleSignOn appears in proposals | 16:39 |
| dneary | Plus, I guess "Organise Maemo Summit" will be a new ongoing task with lots of sub-tasks which I'll start taking on this month | 16:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | SSO should be coming together better once the testing is done this month. | 16:40 |
| dneary | Once we have confirmed site & dates | 16:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | danielwilms, can you take a look at http://wiki.maemo.org/SingleSignOn and make sure the SSO pages across the wiki are unified? | 16:40 |
| danielwilms | GeneralAntilles: yep will do that | 16:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, then onto the HIGH bugs http://tinyurl.com/4ujq55 | 16:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | 4437 slipped in there untriaged | 16:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4437 | 16:41 |
| qgil | dneary: you could anyway define the summit related tasks to be done at proposals - bootstrap the thing. This could be a nice task for this sprint | 16:42 |
| qgil | dneary: we can start with those tasks anyway if needed | 16:42 |
| dneary | qgil: Indeed | 16:42 |
| dneary | There's a lot to do | 16:42 |
| dneary | Did you build up a checklist from last year? | 16:42 |
| qgil | dneary: and start committing and moving to backlog in the next sprint, if there are things that need to be completed during May | 16:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nobody on the team has committed to doing a dark theme, so 4437 should go down to Medium. | 16:42 |
| dneary | Split into facilities, communication, events, sponsorship | 16:42 |
| jeremiah_ | Hackers: check | 16:42 |
| jeremiah_ | Wifi: check | 16:42 |
| timsamoff | dneary & qgil: Shouldn't this be started into the next Maemo Summit wiki page? | 16:43 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Commit me to the task "Break down summit organisation into subtasks" for the month | 16:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, roger. | 16:43 |
| bergie | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2179 is app karma | 16:43 |
| qgil | timsamoff: sure, wherever fits best | 16:43 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: No, Dave | 16:43 |
| dneary | Me | 16:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm sorry, Dave, I can't do that, Dave. | 16:44 |
| * timsamoff giggles. | 16:44 | |
| X-Fade | I will probably be do #4323 next week. | 16:44 |
| X-Fade | -be | 16:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, no more moves on the HIGH bugs, how about MEDIUM? http://tinyurl.com/547kot | 16:45 |
| qgil | proposing urgency for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4481 | 16:45 |
| qgil | I really believe it will save us a lot of time discussing and re-discussing | 16:45 |
| X-Fade | Well, the CSS is in svn. | 16:46 |
| X-Fade | Anybody with a bit of CSS knowledge can help us out there. | 16:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Think can figure out https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4455 this month? | 16:46 |
| qgil | X-Fade: fair enough | 16:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/can/anybody can/ | 16:46 |
| qgil | X-Fade: so someone should be able to propose something with that css and downaloading a couple of maemo.org pages, is that right? | 16:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | This really needs to be broken out into several bugs: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4419 | 16:47 |
| qgil | X-Fade: do you mind posting the URL of the css file in the bug? I will ask for help in tmo | 16:47 |
| X-Fade | qgil: They can just edit the css in their own browser and directly see the result. | 16:47 |
| X-Fade | With firebug plugin for example. | 16:47 |
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| timsamoff | X-Fade: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4481 is a request for a global change, though, not specific user cases. Shouldn't it just be addressed? (I'm a little confused.) | 16:48 |
| X-Fade | timsamoff: Well go ahead? | 16:48 |
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| X-Fade | It is just css? | 16:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 16:48 |
| timsamoff | Right, but... Are all users expected ti fix their own bugs> | 16:49 |
| timsamoff | *to | 16:49 |
| timsamoff | ? | 16:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, somebody propose a good color. | 16:49 |
| qgil | yes, X-Fade is overbusy and proposing an alternative css can be done by many others | 16:49 |
| X-Fade | timsamoff: No, but I don't have time for it atm. | 16:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | and then the color can be implemented. | 16:49 |
| dneary | timsamoff: Yes - isn't that what free software's all about? | 16:49 |
| qgil | once we have agreed on the one we like, we ask him to upload it and problem solved | 16:49 |
| X-Fade | timsamoff: I want to move on. This is low knowledge work. | 16:49 |
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| timsamoff | Ok. Just wondering... | 16:49 |
| dneary | qgil: In fact, I discovered FireBug through X-Fade | 16:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, that should wrap it up for MEDIUM bugs. | 16:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any other business? | 16:50 |
| reggie_itT | I did change thr light orange at Talk to a darker orange | 16:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | reggie_itT, stick the hex in #4481 | 16:50 |
| qgil | x-fade I just need the url of the css (ignorant me) and I will go to tmo asking for help, there are plenty of people with web skills, apparently | 16:50 |
| dneary | Perhaps we could use a wiki page: "how to help out with the website" which documents the various tools, explains a little big how Midgard works & where to change what files to make a site-wide style change? | 16:50 |
| reggie_itT | and the font issue, here's a link: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=284265&postcount=182 | 16:50 |
| X-Fade | qgil: Posting to the bug now | 16:50 |
| qgil | thanks! | 16:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, I had to find Karsten to find the Bugzilla SVN, so, yes, that's definitely a good idea. ;) | 16:51 |
| qgil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4419 can stay as it is in medium, really | 16:51 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Where is the Bugzilla SVN? | 16:51 |
| qgil | let's look at it again once maemo.nokia.com and Forum Nokia have done their homework | 16:51 |
| jeremiah_ | dneary: That is a good idea I think | 16:52 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: OK - creating a bug so it doesn't get dropped | 16:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary: garage.maemo.org/<bugzillza>/<svn>/<somethinglikethis> | 16:52 |
| ferenc1 | about bugzilla svn: search the mails, it has been on garage for years. | 16:52 |
| ferenc1 | and it was communicated, i am sure. | 16:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | ferenc1, I searched, I couldn't find it. | 16:52 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, hmm, but is that complicated? :) | 16:52 |
| dneary | ferenc1: This is a problem with mailing lists & old projects | 16:52 |
| dneary | I see it in GNOME | 16:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's there, and I'm sure it's been mentioned, but I couldn't find it. | 16:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Say what you will about me, but I'm usually pretty good about digging stuff up. ;) | 16:52 |
| dneary | There is gathered wisdom from years of email archives that is just not read by newcomers | 16:52 |
| dneary | That's why we have FAQs | 16:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 16:53 |
| andre__ | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/bugs/ | 16:53 |
| X-Fade | qgil: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4481#c2 | 16:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | We'd likely get more help on the website if the barrier to entry is a little lower. | 16:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | No big deal, we'll just put together a wiki page sometime. | 16:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Easy peasy. | 16:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, I think that about wraps it up? | 16:53 |
| qgil | X-Fade: lovely | 16:53 |
| X-Fade | The idea of having the website styling in svn is that people can help out ;) | 16:53 |
| X-Fade | reggie_itT for instance, changed his own links on the site. | 16:54 |
| X-Fade | That worked great ;) | 16:54 |
| tekojo | I need to go, bye! | 16:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, I think that about wraps it up. Thanks, everybody! Apologies for running long (apparently I got rusty ;))e | 16:54 |
| jeremiah_ | Bye! | 16:54 |
| timsamoff | Thanks, Ryan. | 16:55 |
| andre__ | thanks | 16:55 |
| qgil | yep, as usual if the reporting is done beforehand in the wiki.... :) | 16:55 |
| tekojo | Perfect timing :-) | 16:55 |
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| dneary | Thanks all | 16:55 |
| dneary | Bye | 16:55 |
| X-Fade | qgil: Well, a lot more got reported this month than last month ;) | 16:55 |
| timsamoff | Bye. | 16:55 |
| X-Fade | So at least there is some progress. | 16:55 |
| danielwilms | bye bye | 16:55 |
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| reggie_itT | bye all. | 16:55 |
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| qgil | X-Fade: indeed, and I'm nobody to give lessons.... | 16:56 |
| ferenc1 | thanks guys. bye! | 16:56 |
| bergie | bye! | 16:57 |
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