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* Jaffa will probably miss the start of the mtg, as he's got to put the boy to bed (Mrs Jaffa in hospital with our new little baby girl)20:52
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Will you be able to take the lead again today? :)20:52
qwerty12_N800Jaffa, congratulations20:53
X-FadeJaffa: How new is new exactly? :)20:53
GeneralAntillesJaffa, congrats! :D20:54
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, yeah, think so.20:54
* GeneralAntilles sighs.20:54
GeneralAntillestz's now PMing me on itT about the Red/Blue nonsense.20:55
X-FadeJaffa: Congratulations!20:55
X-FadeQuim will probably not be able to attend the meeting.20:55
andre__GeneralAntilles, want my template for such stuff? :-P20:55
X-FadeI spoke with him this afternoon. He's still in Germany.20:56
X-FadeHe doesn't want to commit to anything for the next Sprint atm.20:56
Hirvinen_Jaffa: Congrats20:56
GeneralAntillesandre__, "Go fall down a well"? :P20:56
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GeneralAntillesHi, tekojo.20:57
andre__GeneralAntilles, hehe, naah...20:57
* GeneralAntilles stops reading bugmail and starts opening wiki pages.20:57
andre__GeneralAntilles, more like the "No need to discuss in private, hundreds of people know more than two"20:57
GeneralAntillesAh, right, THAT. ;)20:58
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GeneralAntillesHey, Tim.20:59
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Can we change the template for ongoing tasks to point to the right Sprint? for example..21:00
X-FadeCurrent sprint points to Sprint3..21:00
GeneralAntillesUm, yeah, will do after the meeting21:00
GeneralAntillesOr somebody else can change it here:
GeneralAntillesAnyway, shall we get started?21:01
X-FadeSure. Go ahead.21:01
GeneralAntillesI'll preface the meeting by saying I got absolutely nothing accomplished myself, so I'm sure the rest of you didn't have much fun either. Hope you all had a happy holiday and a good new year. :)21:02
GeneralAntillesShall we do it alphabetically? Dave, finalizing design & stylesheets for
andre__what alphabet is that based on? :-P21:02
timsamoffG before A.21:03
GeneralAntillesThe one where Andre's tasks are already marked done. :P21:03
GeneralAntillesGuess he's eating.21:03
GeneralAntillesTim, then, can you report on
timsamoffNo progress due to other obligations. We are currently trying to tackle some roles/responsibilities for creating the site code.21:04
timsamoffWe'll need to move it to this month -- I'll still assume responsibility.21:04
GeneralAntillesCollaboration infrastructure should've been backlogged.21:05
GeneralAntillesbergie/X-Fade, Implement new layout and style?21:06
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X-Fadebergie was away on holiday too. But now he is back.21:06
bergieI'm back tomorrow :-)21:06
bergiebut yeah, now there is some sort of HTML/CSS out there, which we need to analyze, and then hopefully start implementing into the systems21:07
X-FadeWe will start to look at the code asap, but still need designs for downloads / news / planet etc..21:07
bergiethe problem is that the HTML was so late we couldn't do anything about it before Xmas holidays started :-(21:07
X-FadeMaybe we need to do a irc meeting with the designer and html/css guru etc..21:07
timsamoffI will hold that the html/css is not quite ready to review... I sent some questions out for changes, but hadn't heard any feedback.21:07
dnearyhi all21:08
X-Fadetimsamoff: Probably also because of the holidays.21:08
timsamoffA dedicated meeting would probably be good.21:08
timsamoffHi, Dave.21:08
bergietimsamoff: the last version I tried had IE and webkit issues, but they may be fixed since21:08
timsamoffX-Fade: Yes, I know.21:08
bergieanyway, I've reserved quite a bit of time for implementing it this month, so hopefully we can actually start doing that21:08
timsamoffI still want to see some minor layout tweaks.21:08
X-FadeBut now that those are over, we should be able to make some progress.21:08
GeneralAntillesOK, sounds good.21:08
GeneralAntillesDave, do you want to report on Finalize design & stylesheets for
X-FadeI have setup a vhost for testing/implementing the new style.21:09
dnearyTo put things in perspective, we have made progress on Community and Development pages21:09
X-FadeSo we can do that without bothering others.21:09
dnearyBut on the site design, I've been somewhat frustrated21:09
RST38hCan I see what has been decided as the final documentation page?21:10
dnearyTwice in December, myself & Tim have been waiting for something that apparently no-one was working on21:10
X-FadeThat is why I want meetings. Quicker feedback than once per one or two days.21:10
dnearyRST38h: That sounds fatal...21:10
dnearyI don't think anything is decided as final21:10
RST38hall right, change it to whatever less fatal wording you prefer and let me see it, if possible?21:11
dnearyBut if you want to see what the latest proposal looks like mocked up to the new theme, it's in
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RST38hMay I point out a problem with the proposed layout?21:12
GeneralAntillesRST38h, do so elsewhere than this meeting.21:12
dnearyOver the past couple of days, I've talked to everyone involved, I think - I'm waiting for some feedback from Henri on the state of the HTML+CSS as it is (is it sufficient to start Midgard work?)21:12
RST38hGeneral: Understood.21:12
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dnearyAnd from Glaubert - what he's working on, if he's waiting for any information21:12
timsamoffRST38h: Please add comments to the maemo-community List. It would be helpful. :)21:13
GeneralAntillesToo late, Tim.21:13
timsamoffGlaubert stated (somewhere) that he wanted to star designing other pages... I told him to do Downloads and Planet.21:13
timsamoffGeneralAntilles: Damn! :p21:13
dnearyGeneralAntilles: I got him on #maemo, I hope21:14
bergiedneary: I'm looking at the HTML tomorrow when I'm officially back from holidays :-)21:14
dnearytimsamoff: I hope I made it clear that my top priority was to get to a stage where myself, Nemein and INdT are all working on the new site21:14
GeneralAntillesJanuary should be much better for getting the site together. ;)21:15
dnearyI hope...21:15
timsamoffdneary: Yes. But, to me that's always been clear. :(21:15
dnearyIt's dragging on quite a bit longer than I expected21:15
X-FadeI think they should forbit the holidays, they get in the way of too much stuff ;)21:15
dnearyMy next top priority, after that, is to get a decent text + layout for the "Support" page21:15
GeneralAntillesEspecially that damn Summer holiday I don't get to participate in. ;)21:16
dnearyX-Fade: But we come back so hyper-charged!21:16
timsamoffdneary: Yes. With my help. ;)21:16
GeneralAntillesAlright, sounds fine to me, dneary.21:16
GeneralAntillesHirvinen_, Karma for applications?21:16
dnearyX-Fade: I saw a report once that showed that the average French person is more productive than the average American, while working 20% fewer hours in a work year21:16
Hirvinen_For most of december I was caught up with other things, and when I finally had time set aside for app karma, I heard a friend jumped in fron of a train, which largely fucked up the last few days before holidays. =(21:16
GeneralAntillesOuch, I'm sorry to hear that, Hirvinen_. :(21:17
timsamoffdneary: I believe it!21:17
Hirvinen_So basically I just started on it.21:17
GeneralAntillesNo worries, carrying over. . . .21:17
GeneralAntillesUm, Niels, reducing 3rd-party repositories? ;)21:17
timsamoffHirvinen_: Sorry to hear. :(21:17
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: I got one moved over and closed :D21:18
timsamoffHehe. :D21:18
X-FadeAnd a few more in the pipeline..21:18
X-FadeBut we really need more people pushing..21:18
GeneralAntillesYeah, I know, been on my list for a while, too. :S21:18
X-FadeSo it is still work in progress, but very slow going.21:19
GeneralAntillesWish we had an updated h-a-m that we could use as a milestone to push more. . . .21:19
GeneralAntillesAnyway, Tero,
tekojoferenc really, he did the work21:20
GeneralAntillesOK, ferenc, then? ;)21:20
tekojoIt is up with some tweaks needed21:21
ferencyes. it is available.21:21
GeneralAntilles"g i t . m a e m o . o r g : : c o m i n g    s o o n" Hehe21:21
ferenci am working on the web browsing features now.21:21
ferencbut that does not stop anybody to use git.21:21
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ferencGA: you know that using an SCM is more than browsing a web page ;)21:22
X-FadeGarage project creation already has a git repository option.21:22
ferencyeah, exactly..21:22
GeneralAntillesferenc, yes, I'm aware, but I found some humor in the web front-end. :P21:22
ferencwith the help of Niels we will sort out a redirect problem, so we will have gitweb pretty soon.21:22
X-Fadeweb front end is almost working, but we need to fight with apache a bit..21:23
ferencGA: yeah, humor helps. at that moment when made that page i was stucked at some authentication problems...21:23
ferencbut anyways.. so there will be more coming on the garage side.21:23
GeneralAntillesSounds good.21:24
ferencweb browsing, like (viewcvs, or viewvc), some extra git admin features, svn import to git, etc etc21:24
GeneralAntillesThen, anybody have any objections to any of the tasks that are marked 100% being marked 100%?21:24
ferencand after git we will have mercurial..21:24
dnearyI wasn't too comfortable marking community or development 100%21:25
lcukawww, why not VSS21:25
dnearyEsp. development21:25
dnearyBecause I have a deep fear that as soon as the site goes live I will get a torrent of very valid complaints about what's wrong with it21:25
dnearyBut I'd like those complaints now instead, if possible21:26
timsamoffdneary: Without users taking an active role in review, this will be difficult until people are "actually" using it.21:26
X-Fadedneary: We still have the stage where we have the new site up on a different vhost, so people can see what it looks like before we go live?21:27
GeneralAntillesYeah, I was just going to ask.21:27
GeneralAntillesI think something people can poke at a bit will help a lot in collecting feedback.21:27
dnearyX-Fade: Sure21:27
bergiedneary, X-Fade: and we still need designs for many sections21:27 is already up.21:27
dnearyBut it'd be better to have good feedback before we have nemein do any development work needed21:27
dnearyRe-doing it will be expensive21:28
dneary(if we need to)21:28
X-FadeMoving a few links around isn't a problem. A complete redesign is..21:28
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GeneralAntillesSomething to discuss during the web-design meeting you'll be planning? ;)21:29
dnearyGeneralAntilles: Did I miss something?21:29
dnearybut yes, I think we'll need one early next week21:29
GeneralAntillestimsamoff mentioned organizing a meeting with everybody for the website.21:30
anidel(topic's wring, it says January_08 not 09)21:30
* GeneralAntilles blames X-Fade.21:30
X-FadeOOps, that was probably pre-coffee.21:30
GeneralAntillesWhat do years do every 12 months? :P21:31
GeneralAntillesOK, any incomplete tasks that anybody would like to drop to the backlog?21:31
anidelI seem the one looking for these mistakes lately (same happened on the mailing list)21:31
qwerty12_N800Get harder21:31
timsamoffqwerty12_N800: :D21:31
* qwerty12_N800 lurks again21:32
GeneralAntillesNope? OK, anybody want to commit something from the backlog?21:32
X-FadeNot from the backlog :)21:33
GeneralAntillesHow about the proposals?
* andre__ reads the proposals21:33
X-FadeI want to redesign the downloads catalog and add new functionality. A wiki page where people can add ideas will be created soon.21:34
dnearyI'd like to add "Using" from the backlog for me21:35
dnearyI need to write more content, and I need to figure out garage more too21:35
GeneralAntillesdneary, committing for January, then?21:35
dnearyAlthough looks pretty good already21:36
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, we'll leave that to the backlog until it gets a wiki page.21:36
dnearySo I'm not sure what's needed21:36
X-FadeLet's add 'downloads redesign agreed' for me.21:36
ferencdneary: pls ask me if you have questions. beside this might help you:
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Sure.21:36
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ferencdneary: that task was mine at some point, but i could not reserve the time to complete it... :(21:36
X-FadeCan we add debmaster selection to the Sprint too? :)21:37
GeneralAntillesHehe, yeah, we can that.21:37
timsamoffI was going to bring that up. ;)21:38
timsamoffWe currently have five applicants who we are considering.21:38
timsamoffThere are two who are unresolved.21:38
timsamoffThe Council was supposed to have emailed preferences to each other by today, but... I didn't have the time. We can extend this.21:39
X-FadeAny deadline for this?21:39
X-FadeCan we make it concrete?21:39
tekojoThe sooner the better21:39
timsamoffJanuary -- no hard date. We were working as quickly as possible.21:39
X-FadeIt is a shame we lose one month of work this way.21:40
GeneralAntillestimsamoff, can I set you as coordinator for this task?21:40
timsamoffFrom the latest correspondence, Dave will be stepping in to help interview... I can forward the applicants to him.21:41
dnearyI proposed helping the council interview21:41
timsamoffWe liked the idea. ;)21:41
dnearyI mean, to help prepare you to do interviews21:41
timsamoffRight. I understand.21:42
dnearyNot to actually interview candidates21:42
timsamoffRight. :p21:42
X-FadePlease don't make it too complicated. We're not picking there President here.21:42
dnearySince I won't be helping choose...21:42
timsamoffNot complicated... There were a lot of qualified candidates!21:42
timsamoffWe hvan't been letting this task "slide" at all.21:42
timsamoffBut, we are ready to interview and pick someone.21:43
X-FadeOk, good to know.21:43
GeneralAntillesWe're very close now.21:44
GeneralAntillesShall we look at bugs, then?21:45
GeneralAntillesAny changes to the list of HIGH bugs (in the topic)?21:45
GeneralAntillesHow about MEDIUM bugs?21:47
ferencnot from my side.21:47
X-FadeLooks ok..21:47
GeneralAntillesWhile it's in my head, can somebody cycle the Pearl?21:47
GeneralAntillesThere've been several complaints about not be able to afford eCoach's heart monitoring hardware. ;)21:48
andre__i've set 3711 to high21:48
andre__easy one and it seems i have time in jaunary :)21:48
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: I've have been looking for candidates actually.21:48
X-FadeBut haven't been able to find really cool apps that aren't already in the list.21:49
andre__(and i should set 3846 to medium)21:49
X-FadeAnd are end-user frendly..21:49
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, can we just cycle to an old standby in the meantime?21:49
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: But does it count that I changed the description for eCoach today? :)21:49
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Sure, let's do that.21:50
GeneralAntillesIt's still eCoach. :P21:50
GeneralAntillesWell, I think that about wraps it up.21:51
mikkov_the pearl should cycle more often, maybe one a day21:51
GeneralAntillesI was going to ask Quim when we might expect those weekly SDK releases. . . .21:51
X-Fademikkov_: You are welcome to help selection.21:51
X-Fademikkov_: We really should make that a community thing.21:52
GeneralAntillesI'm assuming tekojo's not authorized to answer in his stead. :P :D21:52
tekojoGeneralAntilles: not just yet, but it's coming21:52
JaffaAs a community, an jupdate on what is *now* planned would be good.21:52
andre__yeah, and wondering about a "sane" versioning scheme for the weekly SDK releases :-/21:52
tekojoGeneralAntilles: organisationally I am in the same team as the SDK people21:52
Jaffatekojo: "it's coming" is a long way from the firm "we'll release an alpha and then weekly releases to the beta"21:53
dneary3972 is redundant with Task:Improve_maemo.org21:53
mikkov_X-Fade: I'm for cycling the old ones ;) (I can't access the pearls list btw)21:53
tekojoJaffa: I can't remember whether I am allowed to say dates :-)21:53
dnearyBut I guess it falls to me21:53
GeneralAntillesdneary, resolve is as a DUPLICATE of something, maybe?21:54
andre__Jaffa: we're not having an alpha. it's still pre-alpha... so nothing to complain yet ;-))21:54
mikkov_X-Fade: I kind of knew that but there's no link to that page anywhere21:54
Jaffaandre__: OK, then I'll complain about slipping dates for the alpha ;-)21:54
X-Fademikkov_: Yeah, link is broken now. Will fix that.21:54
tekojoJaffa: that's why there are no dates :)21:54
dnearyI think I'll leave it & close it when the new site's up21:54
GeneralAntillesdneary, OK, sounds fine.21:55
Jaffatekojo: heh, but perhaps getting better at delivery, rather than going back to quiet mode followed by "tada" would be worthwhile? ;-)21:55
GeneralAntillesWell, the one benefit to holidays is the that they make the meetings awfully short. ;)21:56
GeneralAntillesQuiet mode is a bit irritating from our end.21:56
X-FadeNew (old) pearl is now selected.21:56
tekojoJaffa: yes, that's the whole point of pre-a, alpha and so forth21:56
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, fixed the Task template.21:57
X-FadeJaffa: Nokia has also been in holiday mode, I guess. I'm pretty sure that we will get more info on the weekly sdk releases soon..21:58
X-FadeI can't imagine that we go straight to Fremantle release without updates ;)21:59
timsamoffAhhh! :p21:59
GeneralAntillesIf nobody else has anything to add, then I believe we're done.22:00
GeneralAntillesThanks everybody!22:00
tekojoThank you!22:00
X-FadeYeah, pretty short one this time. Let's hope we get more done this Sprint.22:00
timsamoffBye everyone. Thanks, Ryan!22:00
dnearythank you all22:00
ferencthanks guys!22:00
X-FadeAnd one thing:22:00
andre__thanks everybody22:00
dnearyOh - the one more thing22:00
dnearywhat is it this year? The iPhone? The iPod?22:01
anidelnight everyone.22:01
GeneralAntillesdneary, I'm pulling for the Zombie Apocalypse. ;)22:01
anidelthe iN90022:01
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GeneralAntilles^ The Apple/Nokia merger.22:02
dnearyX-Fade: Was that for me? :)22:02
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GeneralAntillesdneary, that's for everybody. ;)22:02
X-Fadedneary: Yes, you too. :)22:02
anidelthanks guys, have a good night.22:02
andre__X-Fade, get less hyperactive and down to our level instead ;-)22:02
ferencdneary: for many of us.22:02
andre__(just kidding)22:03
X-FadeWe're all working close to full time, it should show that too.22:03
ferencX-Fade: you are right. we should inform each other at least...22:03
X-FadeCouncil members should add some updates too.22:04
X-FadeToday: "Worked on debmaster selection"22:05
X-FadeThat is really enough, but at least it shows progress.22:05
ferencdneary: i am waiting for you if you will answer that question about this year. or was it just a theoretical one?22:05
andre__think it just refered to "And one thing:"22:07
ferencandre__: ah, ok. i didn't get it..22:08
ferencanyways, take it easy guys. see you around. maybe at the next sprint review ;)22:08

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