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* Jaffa will probably miss the start of the mtg, as he's got to put the boy to bed (Mrs Jaffa in hospital with our new little baby girl) | 20:52 | |
X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Will you be able to take the lead again today? :) | 20:52 |
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qwerty12_N800 | Jaffa, congratulations | 20:53 |
X-Fade | Jaffa: How new is new exactly? :) | 20:53 |
GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, congrats! :D | 20:54 |
GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, yeah, think so. | 20:54 |
* GeneralAntilles sighs. | 20:54 | |
GeneralAntilles | tz's now PMing me on itT about the Red/Blue nonsense. | 20:55 |
X-Fade | Jaffa: Congratulations! | 20:55 |
X-Fade | Quim will probably not be able to attend the meeting. | 20:55 |
andre__ | GeneralAntilles, want my template for such stuff? :-P | 20:55 |
X-Fade | I spoke with him this afternoon. He's still in Germany. | 20:56 |
X-Fade | He doesn't want to commit to anything for the next Sprint atm. | 20:56 |
Hirvinen_ | Jaffa: Congrats | 20:56 |
GeneralAntilles | andre__, "Go fall down a well"? :P | 20:56 |
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GeneralAntilles | Hi, tekojo. | 20:57 |
andre__ | GeneralAntilles, hehe, naah... | 20:57 |
tekojo | Hi! | 20:57 |
* GeneralAntilles stops reading bugmail and starts opening wiki pages. | 20:57 | |
andre__ | GeneralAntilles, more like the "No need to discuss in private, hundreds of people know more than two" | 20:57 |
GeneralAntilles | Ah, right, THAT. ;) | 20:58 |
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timsamoff | Hola. | 20:59 |
GeneralAntilles | Hey, Tim. | 20:59 |
X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Can we change the template for ongoing tasks to point to the right Sprint? https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Implement_new_maemo.org_layout_and_style for example.. | 21:00 |
X-Fade | Current sprint points to Sprint3.. | 21:00 |
GeneralAntilles | Um, yeah, will do after the meeting | 21:00 |
GeneralAntilles | Or somebody else can change it here: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Template:Task&action=edit | 21:00 |
GeneralAntilles | Anyway, shall we get started? | 21:01 |
X-Fade | Sure. Go ahead. | 21:01 |
GeneralAntilles | I'll preface the meeting by saying I got absolutely nothing accomplished myself, so I'm sure the rest of you didn't have much fun either. Hope you all had a happy holiday and a good new year. :) | 21:02 |
GeneralAntilles | Shall we do it alphabetically? Dave, finalizing design & stylesheets for maemo.org? | 21:02 |
timsamoff | :p | 21:02 |
ferenc | :) | 21:02 |
andre__ | what alphabet is that based on? :-P | 21:02 |
timsamoff | G before A. | 21:03 |
timsamoff | Yo. | 21:03 |
GeneralAntilles | The one where Andre's tasks are already marked done. :P | 21:03 |
GeneralAntilles | Guess he's eating. | 21:03 |
GeneralAntilles | Tim, then, can you report on maemo.org/support? | 21:03 |
timsamoff | No progress due to other obligations. We are currently trying to tackle some roles/responsibilities for creating the site code. | 21:04 |
timsamoff | We'll need to move it to this month -- I'll still assume responsibility. | 21:04 |
GeneralAntilles | OK | 21:05 |
GeneralAntilles | Collaboration infrastructure should've been backlogged. | 21:05 |
GeneralAntilles | bergie/X-Fade, Implement new maemo.org layout and style? | 21:06 |
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X-Fade | bergie was away on holiday too. But now he is back. | 21:06 |
bergie | I'm back tomorrow :-) | 21:06 |
bergie | but yeah, now there is some sort of HTML/CSS out there, which we need to analyze, and then hopefully start implementing into the systems | 21:07 |
X-Fade | We will start to look at the code asap, but still need designs for downloads / news / planet etc.. | 21:07 |
bergie | the problem is that the HTML was so late we couldn't do anything about it before Xmas holidays started :-( | 21:07 |
X-Fade | Maybe we need to do a irc meeting with the designer and html/css guru etc.. | 21:07 |
timsamoff | I will hold that the html/css is not quite ready to review... I sent some questions out for changes, but hadn't heard any feedback. | 21:07 |
dneary | hi all | 21:08 |
X-Fade | timsamoff: Probably also because of the holidays. | 21:08 |
timsamoff | A dedicated meeting would probably be good. | 21:08 |
timsamoff | Hi, Dave. | 21:08 |
bergie | timsamoff: the last version I tried had IE and webkit issues, but they may be fixed since | 21:08 |
timsamoff | X-Fade: Yes, I know. | 21:08 |
bergie | anyway, I've reserved quite a bit of time for implementing it this month, so hopefully we can actually start doing that | 21:08 |
timsamoff | I still want to see some minor layout tweaks. | 21:08 |
X-Fade | But now that those are over, we should be able to make some progress. | 21:08 |
GeneralAntilles | OK, sounds good. | 21:08 |
GeneralAntilles | Dave, do you want to report on Finalize design & stylesheets for maemo.org? | 21:09 |
X-Fade | I have setup a vhost for testing/implementing the new style. | 21:09 |
dneary | To put things in perspective, we have made progress on Community and Development pages | 21:09 |
X-Fade | So we can do that without bothering others. | 21:09 |
dneary | But on the site design, I've been somewhat frustrated | 21:09 |
RST38h | Can I see what has been decided as the final documentation page? | 21:10 |
dneary | Twice in December, myself & Tim have been waiting for something that apparently no-one was working on | 21:10 |
X-Fade | That is why I want meetings. Quicker feedback than once per one or two days. | 21:10 |
dneary | RST38h: That sounds fatal... | 21:10 |
dneary | I don't think anything is decided as final | 21:10 |
RST38h | all right, change it to whatever less fatal wording you prefer and let me see it, if possible? | 21:11 |
GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Improving_maemo.org/Development | 21:11 |
dneary | But if you want to see what the latest proposal looks like mocked up to the new maemo.org theme, it's in http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Imrpoving_maemo.org/Development | 21:11 |
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RST38h | May I point out a problem with the proposed layout? | 21:12 |
GeneralAntilles | RST38h, do so elsewhere than this meeting. | 21:12 |
dneary | Over the past couple of days, I've talked to everyone involved, I think - I'm waiting for some feedback from Henri on the state of the HTML+CSS as it is (is it sufficient to start Midgard work?) | 21:12 |
RST38h | General: Understood. | 21:12 |
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dneary | And from Glaubert - what he's working on, if he's waiting for any information | 21:12 |
timsamoff | RST38h: Please add comments to the maemo-community List. It would be helpful. :) | 21:13 |
GeneralAntilles | Too late, Tim. | 21:13 |
timsamoff | Glaubert stated (somewhere) that he wanted to star designing other pages... I told him to do Downloads and Planet. | 21:13 |
timsamoff | GeneralAntilles: Damn! :p | 21:13 |
dneary | GeneralAntilles: I got him on #maemo, I hope | 21:14 |
bergie | dneary: I'm looking at the HTML tomorrow when I'm officially back from holidays :-) | 21:14 |
dneary | timsamoff: I hope I made it clear that my top priority was to get to a stage where myself, Nemein and INdT are all working on the new site | 21:14 |
GeneralAntilles | January should be much better for getting the site together. ;) | 21:15 |
dneary | I hope... | 21:15 |
timsamoff | dneary: Yes. But, to me that's always been clear. :( | 21:15 |
dneary | It's dragging on quite a bit longer than I expected | 21:15 |
X-Fade | I think they should forbit the holidays, they get in the way of too much stuff ;) | 21:15 |
GeneralAntilles | ^ | 21:15 |
dneary | My next top priority, after that, is to get a decent text + layout for the "Support" page | 21:15 |
GeneralAntilles | Especially that damn Summer holiday I don't get to participate in. ;) | 21:16 |
dneary | X-Fade: But we come back so hyper-charged! | 21:16 |
timsamoff | dneary: Yes. With my help. ;) | 21:16 |
GeneralAntilles | Alright, sounds fine to me, dneary. | 21:16 |
GeneralAntilles | Hirvinen_, Karma for applications? | 21:16 |
dneary | X-Fade: I saw a report once that showed that the average French person is more productive than the average American, while working 20% fewer hours in a work year | 21:16 |
Hirvinen_ | For most of december I was caught up with other things, and when I finally had time set aside for app karma, I heard a friend jumped in fron of a train, which largely fucked up the last few days before holidays. =( | 21:16 |
GeneralAntilles | Ouch, I'm sorry to hear that, Hirvinen_. :( | 21:17 |
timsamoff | dneary: I believe it! | 21:17 |
Hirvinen_ | So basically I just started on it. | 21:17 |
GeneralAntilles | No worries, carrying over. . . . | 21:17 |
GeneralAntilles | Um, Niels, reducing 3rd-party repositories? ;) | 21:17 |
timsamoff | Hirvinen_: Sorry to hear. :( | 21:17 |
Hirvinen_ | thanks | 21:17 |
X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I got one moved over and closed :D | 21:18 |
timsamoff | Hehe. :D | 21:18 |
X-Fade | And a few more in the pipeline.. | 21:18 |
GeneralAntilles | Woo! | 21:18 |
X-Fade | But we really need more people pushing.. | 21:18 |
GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I know, been on my list for a while, too. :S | 21:18 |
X-Fade | So it is still work in progress, but very slow going. | 21:19 |
GeneralAntilles | Wish we had an updated h-a-m that we could use as a milestone to push more. . . . | 21:19 |
GeneralAntilles | Anyway, Tero, git.maemo.org? | 21:20 |
tekojo | ferenc really, he did the work | 21:20 |
tekojo | :-) | 21:20 |
GeneralAntilles | OK, ferenc, then? ;) | 21:20 |
tekojo | It is up with some tweaks needed | 21:21 |
ferenc | yes. it is available. | 21:21 |
GeneralAntilles | "g i t . m a e m o . o r g : : c o m i n g s o o n" Hehe | 21:21 |
ferenc | i am working on the web browsing features now. | 21:21 |
ferenc | but that does not stop anybody to use git. | 21:21 |
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ferenc | GA: you know that using an SCM is more than browsing a web page ;) | 21:22 |
X-Fade | Garage project creation already has a git repository option. | 21:22 |
ferenc | yeah, exactly.. | 21:22 |
GeneralAntilles | ferenc, yes, I'm aware, but I found some humor in the web front-end. :P | 21:22 |
ferenc | with the help of Niels we will sort out a redirect problem, so we will have gitweb pretty soon. | 21:22 |
X-Fade | web front end is almost working, but we need to fight with apache a bit.. | 21:23 |
ferenc | GA: yeah, humor helps. at that moment when made that page i was stucked at some authentication problems... | 21:23 |
ferenc | but anyways.. so there will be more coming on the garage side. | 21:23 |
GeneralAntilles | Sounds good. | 21:24 |
ferenc | web browsing, like (viewcvs, or viewvc), some extra git admin features, svn import to git, etc etc | 21:24 |
GeneralAntilles | Then, anybody have any objections to any of the tasks that are marked 100% being marked 100%? | 21:24 |
ferenc | and after git we will have mercurial.. | 21:24 |
dneary | I wasn't too comfortable marking community or development 100% | 21:25 |
lcuk | awww, why not VSS | 21:25 |
dneary | Esp. development | 21:25 |
dneary | Because I have a deep fear that as soon as the site goes live I will get a torrent of very valid complaints about what's wrong with it | 21:25 |
dneary | But I'd like those complaints now instead, if possible | 21:26 |
timsamoff | dneary: Without users taking an active role in review, this will be difficult until people are "actually" using it. | 21:26 |
X-Fade | dneary: We still have the stage where we have the new site up on a different vhost, so people can see what it looks like before we go live? | 21:27 |
GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I was just going to ask. | 21:27 |
GeneralAntilles | I think something people can poke at a bit will help a lot in collecting feedback. | 21:27 |
dneary | X-Fade: Sure | 21:27 |
bergie | dneary, X-Fade: and we still need designs for many sections | 21:27 |
X-Fade | newstyle.maemo.org is already up. | 21:27 |
dneary | But it'd be better to have good feedback before we have nemein do any development work needed | 21:27 |
dneary | Re-doing it will be expensive | 21:28 |
dneary | (if we need to) | 21:28 |
X-Fade | Moving a few links around isn't a problem. A complete redesign is.. | 21:28 |
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GeneralAntilles | Something to discuss during the web-design meeting you'll be planning? ;) | 21:29 |
dneary | GeneralAntilles: Did I miss something? | 21:29 |
dneary | but yes, I think we'll need one early next week | 21:29 |
GeneralAntilles | timsamoff mentioned organizing a meeting with everybody for the website. | 21:30 |
anidel | (topic's wring, it says January_08 not 09) | 21:30 |
anidel | (s/wring/wrong/g) | 21:30 |
* GeneralAntilles blames X-Fade. | 21:30 | |
X-Fade | OOps, that was probably pre-coffee. | 21:30 |
GeneralAntilles | What do years do every 12 months? :P | 21:31 |
GeneralAntilles | OK, any incomplete tasks that anybody would like to drop to the backlog? | 21:31 |
timsamoff | Die. | 21:31 |
anidel | I seem the one looking for these mistakes lately (same happened on the mailing list) | 21:31 |
qwerty12_N800 | Get harder | 21:31 |
timsamoff | qwerty12_N800: :D | 21:31 |
qwerty12_N800 | :) | 21:32 |
* qwerty12_N800 lurks again | 21:32 | |
GeneralAntilles | Nope? OK, anybody want to commit something from the backlog? | 21:32 |
GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_backlog | 21:32 |
X-Fade | Not from the backlog :) | 21:33 |
GeneralAntilles | How about the proposals? https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_proposals | 21:33 |
* andre__ reads the proposals | 21:33 | |
X-Fade | I want to redesign the downloads catalog and add new functionality. A wiki page where people can add ideas will be created soon. | 21:34 |
dneary | I'd like to add "Using garage.maemo.org" from the backlog for me | 21:35 |
dneary | I need to write more content, and I need to figure out garage more too | 21:35 |
GeneralAntilles | dneary, committing for January, then? | 21:35 |
dneary | Although https://wiki.maemo.org/Getting_started_with_Maemo_Garage looks pretty good already | 21:36 |
GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, we'll leave that to the backlog until it gets a wiki page. | 21:36 |
dneary | So I'm not sure what's needed | 21:36 |
X-Fade | Let's add 'downloads redesign agreed' for me. | 21:36 |
ferenc | dneary: pls ask me if you have questions. beside this might help you: https://garage.maemo.org/getting-started | 21:36 |
X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Sure. | 21:36 |
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ferenc | dneary: that task was mine at some point, but i could not reserve the time to complete it... :( | 21:36 |
X-Fade | Can we add debmaster selection to the Sprint too? :) | 21:37 |
GeneralAntilles | Hehe, yeah, we can that. | 21:37 |
timsamoff | I was going to bring that up. ;) | 21:38 |
timsamoff | We currently have five applicants who we are considering. | 21:38 |
timsamoff | There are two who are unresolved. | 21:38 |
timsamoff | The Council was supposed to have emailed preferences to each other by today, but... I didn't have the time. We can extend this. | 21:39 |
X-Fade | Any deadline for this? | 21:39 |
X-Fade | Can we make it concrete? | 21:39 |
tekojo | The sooner the better | 21:39 |
timsamoff | January -- no hard date. We were working as quickly as possible. | 21:39 |
X-Fade | It is a shame we lose one month of work this way. | 21:40 |
GeneralAntilles | timsamoff, can I set you as coordinator for this task? | 21:40 |
timsamoff | Yes. | 21:40 |
timsamoff | From the latest correspondence, Dave will be stepping in to help interview... I can forward the applicants to him. | 21:41 |
dneary | I proposed helping the council interview | 21:41 |
timsamoff | We liked the idea. ;) | 21:41 |
dneary | I mean, to help prepare you to do interviews | 21:41 |
timsamoff | Right. I understand. | 21:42 |
dneary | Not to actually interview candidates | 21:42 |
timsamoff | Right. :p | 21:42 |
X-Fade | Please don't make it too complicated. We're not picking there President here. | 21:42 |
dneary | Since I won't be helping choose... | 21:42 |
X-Fade | *the | 21:42 |
timsamoff | Not complicated... There were a lot of qualified candidates! | 21:42 |
timsamoff | We hvan't been letting this task "slide" at all. | 21:42 |
timsamoff | But, we are ready to interview and pick someone. | 21:43 |
X-Fade | Ok, good to know. | 21:43 |
GeneralAntilles | We're very close now. | 21:44 |
GeneralAntilles | Shall we look at bugs, then? | 21:45 |
GeneralAntilles | Any changes to the list of HIGH bugs (in the topic)? | 21:45 |
GeneralAntilles | No? | 21:47 |
GeneralAntilles | How about MEDIUM bugs? | 21:47 |
ferenc | not from my side. | 21:47 |
X-Fade | Looks ok.. | 21:47 |
GeneralAntilles | While it's in my head, can somebody cycle the Pearl? | 21:47 |
GeneralAntilles | There've been several complaints about not be able to afford eCoach's heart monitoring hardware. ;) | 21:48 |
andre__ | i've set 3711 to high | 21:48 |
andre__ | easy one and it seems i have time in jaunary :) | 21:48 |
X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I've have been looking for candidates actually. | 21:48 |
X-Fade | But haven't been able to find really cool apps that aren't already in the list. | 21:49 |
andre__ | (and i should set 3846 to medium) | 21:49 |
X-Fade | And are end-user frendly.. | 21:49 |
GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, can we just cycle to an old standby in the meantime? | 21:49 |
X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: But does it count that I changed the description for eCoach today? :) | 21:49 |
X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Sure, let's do that. | 21:50 |
GeneralAntilles | It's still eCoach. :P | 21:50 |
GeneralAntilles | Well, I think that about wraps it up. | 21:51 |
mikkov_ | the pearl should cycle more often, maybe one a day | 21:51 |
mikkov_ | once | 21:51 |
GeneralAntilles | I was going to ask Quim when we might expect those weekly SDK releases. . . . | 21:51 |
Jaffa | Indeed | 21:51 |
X-Fade | mikkov_: You are welcome to help selection. | 21:51 |
X-Fade | mikkov_: We really should make that a community thing. | 21:52 |
GeneralAntilles | I'm assuming tekojo's not authorized to answer in his stead. :P :D | 21:52 |
tekojo | GeneralAntilles: not just yet, but it's coming | 21:52 |
Jaffa | As a community, an jupdate on what is *now* planned would be good. | 21:52 |
andre__ | yeah, and wondering about a "sane" versioning scheme for the weekly SDK releases :-/ | 21:52 |
tekojo | GeneralAntilles: organisationally I am in the same team as the SDK people | 21:52 |
Jaffa | tekojo: "it's coming" is a long way from the firm "we'll release an alpha and then weekly releases to the beta" | 21:53 |
dneary | 3972 is redundant with Task:Improve_maemo.org | 21:53 |
mikkov_ | X-Fade: I'm for cycling the old ones ;) (I can't access the pearls list btw) | 21:53 |
tekojo | Jaffa: I can't remember whether I am allowed to say dates :-) | 21:53 |
dneary | But I guess it falls to me | 21:53 |
X-Fade | mikkov_: http://maemo.org/downloads/featured/OS2008/25/ | 21:53 |
GeneralAntilles | dneary, resolve is as a DUPLICATE of something, maybe? | 21:54 |
andre__ | Jaffa: we're not having an alpha. it's still pre-alpha... so nothing to complain yet ;-)) | 21:54 |
mikkov_ | X-Fade: I kind of knew that but there's no link to that page anywhere | 21:54 |
Jaffa | andre__: OK, then I'll complain about slipping dates for the alpha ;-) | 21:54 |
X-Fade | mikkov_: Yeah, link is broken now. Will fix that. | 21:54 |
andre__ | :) | 21:54 |
tekojo | Jaffa: that's why there are no dates :) | 21:54 |
dneary | I think I'll leave it & close it when the new site's up | 21:54 |
GeneralAntilles | dneary, OK, sounds fine. | 21:55 |
Jaffa | tekojo: heh, but perhaps getting better at delivery, rather than going back to quiet mode followed by "tada" would be worthwhile? ;-) | 21:55 |
GeneralAntilles | Well, the one benefit to holidays is the that they make the meetings awfully short. ;) | 21:56 |
GeneralAntilles | Jaffa++ | 21:56 |
GeneralAntilles | Quiet mode is a bit irritating from our end. | 21:56 |
X-Fade | New (old) pearl is now selected. | 21:56 |
tekojo | Jaffa: yes, that's the whole point of pre-a, alpha and so forth | 21:56 |
GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, fixed the Task template. | 21:57 |
X-Fade | Jaffa: Nokia has also been in holiday mode, I guess. I'm pretty sure that we will get more info on the weekly sdk releases soon.. | 21:58 |
X-Fade | I can't imagine that we go straight to Fremantle release without updates ;) | 21:59 |
timsamoff | Ahhh! :p | 21:59 |
GeneralAntilles | If nobody else has anything to add, then I believe we're done. | 22:00 |
GeneralAntilles | Thanks everybody! | 22:00 |
tekojo | Thank you! | 22:00 |
X-Fade | Yeah, pretty short one this time. Let's hope we get more done this Sprint. | 22:00 |
timsamoff | Bye everyone. Thanks, Ryan! | 22:00 |
dneary | thank you all | 22:00 |
ferenc | thanks guys! | 22:00 |
X-Fade | And one thing: | 22:00 |
dneary | Night | 22:00 |
andre__ | thanks everybody | 22:00 |
dneary | Oh - the one more thing | 22:00 |
dneary | what is it this year? The iPhone? The iPod? | 22:01 |
anidel | night everyone. | 22:01 |
qwerty12_N800 | Tablets | 22:01 |
X-Fade | PLEASE FILL IN YOUR ACTIVITY LOG :) | 22:01 |
GeneralAntilles | dneary, I'm pulling for the Zombie Apocalypse. ;) | 22:01 |
anidel | the iN900 | 22:01 |
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GeneralAntilles | ^ The Apple/Nokia merger. | 22:02 |
anidel | :) | 22:02 |
tekojo | night | 22:02 |
dneary | X-Fade: Was that for me? :) | 22:02 |
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GeneralAntilles | dneary, that's for everybody. ;) | 22:02 |
X-Fade | dneary: Yes, you too. :) | 22:02 |
anidel | thanks guys, have a good night. | 22:02 |
andre__ | X-Fade, get less hyperactive and down to our level instead ;-) | 22:02 |
ferenc | dneary: for many of us. | 22:02 |
andre__ | (just kidding) | 22:03 |
X-Fade | We're all working close to full time, it should show that too. | 22:03 |
ferenc | X-Fade: you are right. we should inform each other at least... | 22:03 |
X-Fade | Council members should add some updates too. | 22:04 |
X-Fade | Today: "Worked on debmaster selection" | 22:05 |
X-Fade | That is really enough, but at least it shows progress. | 22:05 |
ferenc | dneary: i am waiting for you if you will answer that question about this year. or was it just a theoretical one? | 22:05 |
andre__ | think it just refered to "And one thing:" | 22:07 |
ferenc | andre__: ah, ok. i didn't get it.. | 22:08 |
ferenc | anyways, take it easy guys. see you around. maybe at the next sprint review ;) | 22:08 |
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