| GeneralAntilles | Alright, shall I take the wheel for this one? :) | 21:09 |
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| etrunko | so, who's driving | 21:09 |
| etrunko | GeneralAntilles: you got it | 21:09 |
| etrunko | :) | 21:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Waiting on qgil | 21:09 |
| timsamoff | Slacker -- probably on another phone call./ | 21:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hi, qgil. Mind if I drive today? :) | 21:10 |
| qgil | please | 21:10 |
| timsamoff | Seat belts everyone./ | 21:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, let's run through the unfinished tasks from November. | 21:11 |
| etrunko | .o> | 21:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Andre? bugzilla reorg and Feature Jar? | 21:11 |
| andre__ | after several emails with nokians, and trying to find a date where someone(TM) can disable access for others, reorg will happen this saturday | 21:12 |
| andre__ | draft is done, | 21:12 |
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| andre__ | nearly all stuff is prepared, so i'm looking forward to it and hope that i won't break anything :-P | 21:12 |
| andre__ | feature jar... uhm, i didn't prepare another yet, because it's really easier after the reorg | 21:12 |
| glaubertsouza__ | Hi, Everyone | 21:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, sounds good. | 21:13 |
| andre__ | will be the first thing to do on next tuesday for me (i'm off next monday) | 21:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary? maemo.org styles/layouts/content? | 21:13 |
| timsamoff | andre__: Were you looking for ideas for presenting the feature jar in a different way? | 21:13 |
| andre__ | timsamoff: sure, i'm always open for ideas | 21:13 |
| timsamoff | I may have some... I'll talk with you via the List. | 21:14 |
| andre__ | timsamoff, great, yeah! | 21:14 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: We've got design updates that are close to the final ones | 21:14 |
| timsamoff | w00t! | 21:14 |
| dneary | This is taking longer than I expected, but we've made really good progress in the last 2 weeks | 21:14 |
| bergie | dneary: though, would be great to see sketches for more areas... news, app catalog, ... | 21:14 |
| lardman | :) | 21:14 |
| dneary | bergie: Indeed | 21:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I'm really liking the look of the latest set up mockups. :) | 21:15 |
| bergie | now we have only front page and "developers" section AFAIK | 21:15 |
| bergie | but yeah, they look very promising | 21:15 |
| dneary | bergie: The general goal is: finalise look, start working on different pages. | 21:15 |
| timsamoff | I've also asked for a Planet comp. | 21:15 |
| bergie | ok, good | 21:15 |
| dneary | Andre has a point when he says that if he does that on a design proposal, he'll have to redo everything for the final proposal | 21:15 |
| bergie | dneary: just reminding about them so they don't end up being forgotten, forcing me to "design" something ;-) | 21:15 |
| dneary | And it's a lot of work | 21:15 |
| timsamoff | glaubertsouza__ is here... I'd say we'll have final design by the weekend. Do you feel good about this? | 21:16 |
| timsamoff | (Main Page design) | 21:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, bergie, itT app feeds? I guess that may be somewhat dependent on more developments with Talk? | 21:17 |
| glaubertsouza__ | I`ve worked with andre | 21:17 |
| bergie | GeneralAntilles: *most* of the feeds are there, but not all. I kind of stopped working on that when I hear about talk integration | 21:17 |
| bergie | as I suspected there will be some changes and new ideas because of that | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | bergie, do we want to push it to the backlog until we're closer to that move? | 21:17 |
| bergie | either kill it and revive it if it is needed again, or keep it in backlog | 21:18 |
| glaubertsouza__ | I feel good! :), I think its close to the final version! | 21:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Let's drop it the backlog, I'm thinking Reggie has some more ideas on that, so we'll wait until we get a clearer picture of exactly what we want. | 21:18 |
| timsamoff | glaubertsouza__: Me too. | 21:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hirvinen, karma for applications? | 21:19 |
| bergie | GeneralAntilles: ok. I'm happy to keep working on it, as soon as the plans clear a bit | 21:19 |
| bergie | GeneralAntilles: unfortunately I think Hirvinen was caught up with the off-Sprint documentation import stuff | 21:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, that's fine. | 21:19 |
| bergie | things would be a bit clearer if those tasks were also part of the sprint plan | 21:20 |
| Hirvinen | yes | 21:20 |
| Hirvinen | I've had almost zero time to look at application karma | 21:20 |
| bergie | Hirvinen: continue with app karma with Dec sprint? | 21:20 |
| Hirvinen | yeah | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK | 21:20 |
| qgil | Hirvinen: bergie request your @nokia contact to align those tasks with thse sprints | 21:20 |
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| tekojo | That's me | 21:20 |
| tekojo | I'll do it and add the doc stuff to next sprint | 21:21 |
| bergie | qgil: yep, will do | 21:21 |
| qgil | ah, didn't know it was you tekojo :) | 21:21 |
| Hirvinen | My time with maemo went mostly to the docimport tool and email->forum bugs | 21:21 |
| tekojo | Well, not directly, but ok'd it | 21:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, X-Fade? Still dead? ;) | 21:22 |
| bergie | ok, so anyway... move app karma to the new sprint? | 21:22 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Here.. | 21:22 |
| lcuk | x-faded | 21:22 |
| lcuk | damn | 21:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Reducing 3rd party repositories is a long-term deal. | 21:23 |
| X-Fade | I really think we need some community campaigning for this task. | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | There'll be progress whenever those owners get to work. I guess we could send out another barrage of emails this month? | 21:23 |
| X-Fade | We _must_ make it better before Fremantle gets released. | 21:23 |
| lardman | Is there infrastructure in place for 770 software to be included in Extras? | 21:23 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: Sure, always has been? | 21:24 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: remember to add "Nokia is forcing you to..." in those emails :P | 21:24 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Just no autobuilder. | 21:24 |
| lardman | X-Fade: I don't use it, so no idea ;) | 21:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, shall I also threaten bodily harm? :D | 21:24 |
| X-Fade | But I made no progress on this task as I was working on the Fast server task. | 21:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, yeah, that's fine, we'll carry it over to December and I'll get the Council more involved. | 21:25 |
| bergie | I marked "Fast Server" as done after we got static.m.o running, was that OK for everybody? | 21:25 |
| lardman | X-Fade: I agree with the community campaigning, and think it's actually working, just don't want a backlash due to lack of 770 support | 21:25 |
| X-Fade | bergie: Yeah, there is always some tuning left. But I consider it done. | 21:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, Extras is there for 770. | 21:26 |
| bergie | X-Fade: yes... there will be "Fast Server v2" in spring I think :-) | 21:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | We can pick up some more specific stuff is there are additional performance issues? | 21:26 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: cool, was just giving my reason for asking | 21:26 |
| bergie | GeneralAntilles: agreed, it should be more specific and actionable next time :-) | 21:26 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Sure, file bugs or propose tasks? | 21:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, emphasizing to repository owners that there are still 770 owners. We'll discuss it later, though. | 21:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, I guess it may depend on the size of the performance issue? | 21:27 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: ok | 21:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | We can just pick them up as bugs if that works for you. | 21:27 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Priority can be determined later.. | 21:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right, sounds good. | 21:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil? | 21:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Open Source and maemo.nokia.com | 21:28 |
| qgil | nothing to add | 21:28 |
| qgil | to what is rported there | 21:28 |
| qgil | I was busy with other stuff and this goes to next sprint | 21:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sounds fine, I'm planning on taking another look at maemo.nokia.com. | 21:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, my turn. | 21:28 |
| qgil | Jussi sits next to me and is politely about those texts regularly... :) | 21:28 |
| glaubertsouza__ | would be nice if you could send me, today or tomorrow mornig, a list of modifications to be made in the two pages. | 21:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I pushed the policy changes to the appropriate people | 21:29 |
| timsamoff | glaubertsouza__: Will do. | 21:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | "policy follows tools", so any policy updates are dependent on a h-a-m update being pushed | 21:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I sent mvo the translations yesterday, so we're down to seeing whether the update will make it into the next SSU. . . . | 21:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm inclined to mark the policy changes as DONE since it's mostly out of my hands. | 21:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any objections? | 21:31 |
| bergie | go for it... if you have no actions left there it is done | 21:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, sounds good. | 21:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | tekojo? Git for Garage? | 21:31 |
| tekojo | Left it at 80% as there might still be some ideas floating around | 21:32 |
| tekojo | But nothing stopping from letting ferenc do actual work | 21:32 |
| qgil | some fundamental discussion still at http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Git_For_Garage#git.maemo.org_without_garage_project | 21:32 |
| ferenc | tekojo: we need some stuff "prepared", let's discuss those offline | 21:32 |
| tekojo | qgil: exactly :-) | 21:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can bug some of the people who have requested git support in the past and see if they have more to add. | 21:33 |
| ferenc | qgil: the discussions there do not stop me to get started. i just need a server ;) | 21:33 |
| qgil | ferenc: great | 21:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, anybody have anything to add to the DONE tasks? | 21:33 |
| ferenc | GeneralAntilles: that would be higjly appreciated. | 21:33 |
| timsamoff | dneary: Did you get any help with fleshing out the Development page stuff? | 21:34 |
| dneary | Not yet :) | 21:34 |
| timsamoff | Should we consider it "Done"? | 21:35 |
| dneary | I'm close to saying it's "DONE" and waiting until complaints flood in to fix it | 21:35 |
| timsamoff | +1 for DONE from me. | 21:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then does anybody want to pick a task up from the backlog? https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_backlog | 21:35 |
| timsamoff | dneary: Then we can move on to Support -- which, unfortunately, my latest predicament forced me to ignore for a while. | 21:36 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: You forgot etrunko :) | 21:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eheh, that I did. | 21:36 |
| etrunko | Yes | 21:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | etrunko! Progress? :P | 21:36 |
| bergie | GeneralAntilles: I don't want to take big new tasks for next sprint... there are some odds-and-ends in bugzilla that I want to work on, an then there is the new layout | 21:37 |
| timsamoff | Ha! | 21:37 |
| etrunko | sorry about that, i could not dedicate much time on the task. | 21:37 |
| etrunko | and i suspect i won't be able to do it this month also | 21:37 |
| dneary | timsamoff: I can put some time into the content, but I really feel like content + layout are going hand in hand here... | 21:37 |
| etrunko | better to put it back to the backlog | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, do we want to drop it to the backlog, or does anybody else want to carry the torch? | 21:37 |
| qgil | progreso requires liberdade :P | 21:37 |
| etrunko | unless someone want to get it | 21:38 |
| etrunko | qgil: exactly | 21:38 |
| timsamoff | dneary: True. That's what I mean. | 21:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nope? Then we'll backlog it for now. | 21:38 |
| etrunko | and a 44h per week job doesn't help much either | 21:38 |
| qgil | at least the git implementation is real progress to get the collaboration setting | 21:38 |
| etrunko | thanks | 21:39 |
| etrunko | indeed | 21:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was discussing the collaboration with Stskeeps, he may have some input. | 21:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | (at least as far as the community edition is concerned) | 21:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, back to the backlog. Anybody want to pick something up? | 21:39 |
| etrunko | i would like to propose something else, like gitorious, but the garage plugin seems a natural step | 21:39 |
| bergie | etrunko: well, if garage will do git... | 21:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nothing from the backlog. Anything from proposals? https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_proposals | 21:40 |
| qgil | yep | 21:40 |
| dneary | I will have to have a light month - I have several other committments this month | 21:40 |
| qgil | I'd like to take both proposals listed there on my name | 21:40 |
| etrunko | bergie: yup, thats subject for another meeting | 21:40 |
| dneary | I'm in the Canary Islands organising GUADEC in 2 weeks, and in London for a conference 3 days next week | 21:40 |
| qgil | the contribution guidelines are actually quite ready | 21:41 |
| qgil | this is an official call for revision | 21:41 |
| qgil | the community localization thing is because | 21:41 |
| * GeneralAntilles shudders at the package categories mess. | 21:41 | |
| qgil | it has been accepted in the roadmap | 21:41 |
| bergie | GeneralAntilles: from proposals SingleSignOn is something to be worked on, but closer to spring I guess | 21:41 |
| dneary | I plan to follow the design & site work & do the Support page, and also help with the voting system. | 21:41 |
| qgil | and it would be good to have a common basic understanding of what are we expecting and talking about | 21:41 |
| tekojo | bergie: agree SSO is something for after new year | 21:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | bergie, feel free to start fleshing out the wiki page. | 21:42 |
| bergie | GeneralAntilles: and *implementing* the new layouts is a new task (or better: a bunch of tasks, one per system) | 21:42 |
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| timsamoff | Question re: Backlog/Feature Brainstorm... Is a conclusion near? | 21:42 |
| bergie | also, we were asked to prepare a scalability roadmap for the post-Fast Server times, so that is a new task | 21:43 |
| bergie | hey Semilia | 21:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, the new layout. One task per system? News, Bugzilla, Wiki, Downloads, Garage, front page, Development/Community/Support pages? | 21:43 |
| Semilia | hey everybody, sorry I'm late | 21:43 |
| bergie | GeneralAntilles: yep, something like that | 21:44 |
| bergie | when those can be done depends when the layouts are ready, and then when the XHTML+CSS is ready :-) | 21:44 |
| bergie | but I hope we can do something during Dec. dneary? | 21:45 |
| dneary | Yes! | 21:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | bergie, X-Fade, do you two want to decide amongst yourselves how to divide it? Since X-Fade's down for the count he'll probably want to discuss that when he's feeling better. ;) | 21:45 |
| timsamoff | We're planning on getting the 1st draft html/css for the main page by next week. | 21:45 |
| bergie | GeneralAntilles: sure | 21:45 |
| dneary | I will follow the site design work, and I am hoping that with Glaubert we can get you HTML+CSS for the front page next week | 21:45 |
| dneary | glaubertsouza__: Does that sound OK? | 21:45 |
| bergie | dneary: yep... I booked time from Joonas for reviewing the HTML drafts... as they will need to fit a bunch of different systems with different templating possibilities | 21:46 |
| bergie | so glaubertsouza_, if possible, be prepared for some suggestions/comments on the HTML then | 21:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, shall we move on to bugs? | 21:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any changes to the HIGH bugs? http://tinyurl.com/4ujq55 | 21:48 |
| bergie | app karma (#2179) should continue in Dec sprint, so keep in high | 21:48 |
| lardman | and discussion karma? ;) | 21:49 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: It looks like we've agreed that 3178 is on its way to being closed | 21:49 |
| ferenc | RSS feeds (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3177) is being worked on. let's keep on pushing it to Dec sprint. | 21:49 |
| ferenc | dneary: thanks for the bugzilla feed link! | 21:49 |
| _marcell_ | I will take a look on 3796 | 21:49 |
| timsamoff | Does https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3177 need to be set as HIGH, though? With the redesign happening and all? | 21:49 |
| timsamoff | Just wondering. | 21:49 |
| qgil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1660 appears as assigned to Marcell - however it doesn't look like it's true? | 21:50 |
| bergie | lardman: discussion karma is fixed, and will be in next Midgard update | 21:50 |
| lardman | bergie: just pulling your leg, I know you're sorting it :) | 21:50 |
| _marcell_ | yep, I can not commit to that one. lack of time mostly | 21:50 |
| bergie | lardman: we just didn't have time to apply it as a patch with X-Fade so we wait for package release | 21:50 |
| ferenc | timsamoff: i will not have anything high then. X-Fade is keep on fixing my bugs ;) | 21:51 |
| * X-Fade is a patch monkey lately. | 21:51 | |
| lcuk | a poorly patch monkey | 21:51 |
| timsamoff | ferenc: Then leave it, by God! | 21:51 |
| timsamoff | :p | 21:51 |
| dneary | lardman: Discussion karma? I thought we'd fixed that | 21:51 |
| ferenc | X-Fade: thanks again for the last help! | 21:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | _marcell_, shall we drop 1660 to MEDIUM, then, or does somebody else want to pick it up? I guess this kinda needs to be a Nokia person? | 21:51 |
| bergie | dneary: we fixed but didn't fully deploy | 21:51 |
| lardman | dneary: not for my particular case afaict | 21:51 |
| X-Fade | bergie: And we need to add -community still. | 21:52 |
| bergie | X-Fade: agreed... can you post a bug about that? | 21:52 |
| tekojo | Can you dump 1660 on me? | 21:52 |
| qgil | _marcell_: in any case de-assign it to you so it's clear nobody handles it atm | 21:52 |
| _marcell_ | GeneralAntilles: qgil commented to that bug once that he will take it | 21:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | tekojo, OK, will do. | 21:52 |
| _marcell_ | qgil: ok | 21:52 |
| _marcell_ | tekojo: gladly :) | 21:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | tekojo will pick up #1660 | 21:52 |
| qgil | _marcell_: wasn't that before funding 3-4 people in the maemo.org team? :) | 21:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anything in MEDIUM anybody wants to take? http://tinyurl.com/547kot | 21:53 |
| _marcell_ | qgil: actually no, but tekojo alrady volunteered | 21:53 |
| qgil | only to highlight that https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3339 is a weird and nasty one | 21:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3236 I need to review again, as I think there are two login templates, one of them mentions Garage but the other doesn't. | 21:54 |
| bergie | GeneralAntilles: I'll take 3692 as it is fixed but not deployed | 21:54 |
| bergie | I will also take 3906 | 21:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | bergie, the code's in the pipeline, though? | 21:54 |
| bergie | it is, yes | 21:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | bergie, then you can go ahead and mark it FIXED | 21:55 |
| bergie | in SVN stable branch even :-) | 21:55 |
| bergie | ok | 21:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, 3906 going HIGH | 21:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | That wraps it up then, anybody want to add anything else? | 21:56 |
| bergie | also 3877 | 21:56 |
| qgil | yes | 21:56 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: I want to add that you did very well as facilitator :) | 21:56 |
| Hirvinen | Well, I could take stuff but I wonder what would be good to take... | 21:56 |
| bergie | and 3854 | 21:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, thanks! The outline on the wiki helped a lot. :) | 21:57 |
| bergie | Hirvinen: app karma will keep you busy, I promise :-) | 21:57 |
| ferenc | qgil: +1 | 21:57 |
| bergie | but we can work on some of the bugs together | 21:57 |
| dneary | There are a couple of Mediums I'd like to take | 21:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hirvinen, no need to commit anything to work on it. If you want to work, work. ;) | 21:57 |
| dneary | But let me have a browse and add them after the meeting | 21:58 |
| Hirvinen | bergie: k | 21:59 |
| timsamoff | Gotta go everyone... Thanks. I will work on a redesign update doc later tonight. | 22:01 |
| bergie | ok, we're taking 3911 also together with X-Fade | 22:02 |
| etrunko | hello? | 22:06 |
| andre__ | *silence* | 22:07 |
| etrunko | echoes | 22:07 |
| glaubertsouza__ | i sent to the list, the modifications in the layout that Tim`s asked me for! | 22:08 |
| tekojo | Bye all! | 22:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, we're done. Thanks everybody! :) | 22:09 |
| andre__ | ah. gnight! | 22:09 |
| etrunko | ok | 22:09 |
| glaubertsouza__ | bye everyone! | 22:09 |
| ferenc | thanks. bye! | 22:09 |
| dneary | Night everyone | 22:09 |
| bergie | bye! | 22:10 |
| Hirvinen | bye! | 22:11 |
| qgil | bye | 22:14 |
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