Maemo Elections - Extended

Maemo Elections - Extended

RM Bauer
Karma: 552
2012-04-01 14:53 UTC
There have been no nominations. Let's extend the nomination period and the
voting (if necessary) for a week.

Rob


On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 2:33 PM, robert bauer <nybauer@gmail.com> wrote:

> It's time for the next Maemo election. Any community member who has karma
> of 100 or more may be nominated for Council or may nominate themselves via
> the maemo community mailing list (nominations must also be accepted to nteh
> mailing list). The nomination period will close at 23:59 UTC, Saturday, 31
> March.
>
> The voting is preliminarily scheduled to run from 00:00 UTC, Thursday, 5
> April to 23:59, Wednesday, 11 April, 2012. If the community decides to
> nominate less than four nominees, then the nominees will be considered to
> represent a consensus of the community and there will be no vote.
>
> If there is a need for a vote, each member of maemo.org, who has an
> account that is more than 3 months old and who has earned over 10 "karma"
> points on that account, gets an electronic ballot. The election is a
> "single transferable vote". They rank their Council candidates in order of
> preference; if their top candidate cannot get elected with the votes they
> receive, the votes are redistributed until all council seats have been
> allocated.
>
> Please give serious consideration to nominating people you trust with the
> future of maemo. Nokia funding will end and Nokia cannot commit to handing
> over or licensing the website or parts of the infrastructure to the
> community. The current council has decided reorganizing maemo.org is not
> feasible for the long term and has started looking into a possible Plan B.
> There have also been proposals to bring Harmattan into maemo.org, and to
> coordinate with other projects. It is preferable that the future of maemo
> be made by a deliberate decision of the community. Please help that happen
> by nominating and voting for council members of your choice.
>

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Re: Maemo Elections - Extended

<crashanddie at gmail.com>

2012-04-01 18:51 UTC
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Re: Maemo Elections - Extended

Graham Cobb
Karma: 874
2012-04-01 21:57 UTC
On Sunday 01 April 2012 19:51:57 crashanddie@gmail.com wrote:
> Frankly, I think this telling. Maybe it's time to consider wrapping things
> up in a "so long and thanks for all the fish"-kinda way?

Quite possibly. If it turns out no one wants to do the council job any more
then I think it is time to take stock and ask the community what they do want.

Personally I find the forums and mailing lists useful. However, much more
important to me are the repositories -- a single place to go looking for
packages if I need them. How big are the current repositories and how much
traffic do they get? The Community SSU is also an extremely valuable project.
And the Nokia flash images are also critical.

Maybe there are volunteers to provide portions of this infrastructure? Not
necessarily under maemo.org any more but at least in centralised places.

Or maybe not -- in which case we are all on our own. I guess it is time I
mirrored all the repos I care about onto my home system ready for when they go
away.

Graham
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Re: Maemo Elections - Extended

Tim Samoff
Karma: 1616
2012-04-02 00:28 UTC
While every ounce of my being says "please no" to this idea -- and most of you know my history with all of you. My gut says it's time.

There are more important things to put our time into (said with a tear).

Always maemo,
Tim

--
Sent from my Nokia N950

On 4/1/12 11:51 crashanddie@gmail.com wrote:
Frankly, I think this telling. Maybe it's time to consider wrapping things up in a "so long and thanks for all the fish"-kinda way?

-S.


-- Sent from my HP TouchPad

On 1 Apr 2012 16:54, robert bauer <nybauer@gmail.com> wrote:

There have been no nominations. Let's extend the nomination period and the voting (if necessary) for a week.

Rob


On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 2:33 PM, robert bauer <nybauer@gmail.com> wrote:

It's time for the next Maemo election. Any community member who has karma of 100 or more may be nominated for Council or may nominate themselves via the maemo community mailing list (nominations must also be accepted to nteh mailing list). The nomination period will close at 23:59 UTC, Saturday, 31 March.

The voting is preliminarily scheduled to run from 00:00 UTC, Thursday, 5 April to 23:59, Wednesday, 11 April, 2012. If the community decides to nominate less than four nominees, then the nominees will be considered to represent a consensus of the community and there will be no vote.

If there is a need for a vote, each member of maemo.org, who has an account that is more than 3 months old and who has earned over 10 "karma" points on that account, gets an electronic ballot. The election is a "single transferable vote". They rank their Council candidates in order of preference; if their top candidate cannot get elected with the votes they receive, the votes are redistributed until all council seats have been allocated.

Please give serious consideration to nominating people you trust with the future of maemo. Nokia funding will end and Nokia cannot commit to handing over or licensing the website or parts of the infrastructure to the community. The current council has decided reorganizing maemo.org is not feasible for the long term and has started looking into a possible Plan B. There have also been proposals to bring Harmattan into maemo.org, and to coordinate with other projects. It is preferable that the future of maemo be made by a deliberate decision of the community. Please help that happen by nominating and voting for council members of your choice.



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Re: Maemo Elections - Extended

Randall Arnold
Karma: 1964
2012-04-02 00:54 UTC
Sadly, I'm in sync with Tim.  :( I think it's time to focus on Mer and its compatriots.
 
Randall (Randy) Arnold
Developer and Enthusiast Advocate
http://texrat.net


>________________________________
> From: Tim Samoff <tim@samoff.com>
>To: List for community development <maemo-community@maemo.org>
>Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2012 7:28 PM
>Subject: Re: Maemo Elections - Extended
>
>While every ounce of my being says "please no" to this idea -- and most of you know my history with all of you. My gut says it's time.
>
>There are more important things to put our time into (said with a tear).
>
>Always maemo,
>Tim
>
>--
>Sent from my Nokia N950
>
>On 4/1/12 11:51 crashanddie@gmail.com wrote:
>Frankly, I think this telling. Maybe it's time to consider wrapping things up in a "so long and thanks for all the fish"-kinda way?
>
>-S.
>
>
>-- Sent from my HP TouchPad
>
>On 1 Apr 2012 16:54, robert bauer <nybauer@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>There have been no nominations.  Let's extend the nomination period and the voting (if necessary) for a week.
>
>Rob 
>
>
>On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 2:33 PM, robert bauer <nybauer@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>It's time for the next Maemo election.  Any community member who has karma of 100 or more may be nominated for Council or may nominate themselves via the maemo community mailing list (nominations must also be accepted to nteh mailing list).  The nomination period will close at 23:59 UTC, Saturday, 31 March.
>
>The voting is preliminarily scheduled to run from 00:00 UTC, Thursday, 5 April to 23:59, Wednesday, 11 April, 2012.  If the community decides to nominate less than four nominees, then the nominees will be considered to represent a consensus of the community and there will be no vote.
>
>If there is a need for a vote, each member of maemo.org, who has an account that is more than 3 months old and who has earned over 10 "karma" points on that account, gets an electronic ballot.  The election is a "single transferable vote".  They rank their Council candidates in order of preference; if their top candidate cannot get elected with the votes they receive, the votes are redistributed until all council seats have been allocated.
>
>Please give serious consideration to nominating people you trust with the future of maemo.  Nokia funding will end and Nokia cannot commit to handing over or licensing the website or parts of the infrastructure to the community.  The current council has decided reorganizing maemo.org is not feasible for the long term and has started looking into a possible Plan B.  There have also been proposals to bring Harmattan into maemo.org, and to coordinate with other projects.  It is preferable that the future of maemo be made by a deliberate decision of the community.  Please help that happen by nominating and voting for council members of your choice.
>
>
>

>
>
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Re: Maemo Elections - Extended

Sunny B

2012-04-02 03:58 UTC
Hi Graham

We have already started plans to centralize open source parts of the
community at www.maemocommunity.org. Repos are first priority, then wiki,
the forum is tricky. Input on value of community OBS for
harmattan/fremantle/diablo would be appreciated at this point. Open for
discussion and volunteers are definitely wanted. I would also check first
to make sure that someone hasn't already mirrored the repos as discussed
previously on the forum (sorry, don't have a link at the moment) as a
safeguard against them.

My opinion is that this does not moot maemo.org council quite yet. It is
possible we will have a Nokia official website at maemo.org and start an
unofficial community website at maemocommunity.org. Perhaps some resource
sharing is possible. It would be best to still have a council still tasked
with communicating with Nokia since there is stuff left to sort out with
maemo.org.

So I will extend the time period to make and accept council nominations to
the ML. Please feel free to discuss these other things on a different
thread.

Rob

On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Graham Cobb <g+770@cobb.uk.net> wrote:

> On Sunday 01 April 2012 19:51:57 crashanddie@gmail.com wrote:
> > Frankly, I think this telling. Maybe it's time to consider wrapping
> things
> > up in a "so long and thanks for all the fish"-kinda way?
>
> Quite possibly. If it turns out no one wants to do the council job any
> more
> then I think it is time to take stock and ask the community what they do
> want.
>
> Personally I find the forums and mailing lists useful. However, much more
> important to me are the repositories -- a single place to go looking for
> packages if I need them. How big are the current repositories and how much
> traffic do they get? The Community SSU is also an extremely valuable
> project.
> And the Nokia flash images are also critical.
>
> Maybe there are volunteers to provide portions of this infrastructure? Not
> necessarily under maemo.org any more but at least in centralised places.
>
> Or maybe not -- in which case we are all on our own. I guess it is time I
> mirrored all the repos I care about onto my home system ready for when
> they go
> away.
>
> Graham
>

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Re: Maemo Elections - Extended

Timo Härkönen
Karma: 417
2012-04-02 05:17 UTC
Sadly I also agree. Fortunately like Randy said there are other things to hack/work/use/study/improve/etc that have a future

See you around

-Timo


Randall Arnold kirjoitti 2.4.2012 3:54:

Sadly, I'm in sync with Tim. :( I think it's time to focus on Mer and its compatriots.

Randall (Randy) Arnold
Developer and Enthusiast Advocate
http://texrat.net

From: Tim Samoff <tim@samoff.com>
To: List for community development <maemo-community@maemo.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2012 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: Maemo Elections - Extended


While every ounce of my being says "please no" to this idea -- and most of you know my history with all of you. My gut says it's time.

There are more important things to put our time into (said with a tear).

Always maemo,
Tim

--
Sent from my Nokia N950

On 4/1/12 11:51 crashanddie@gmail.com wrote:
Frankly, I think this telling. Maybe it's time to consider wrapping things up in a "so long and thanks for all the fish"-kinda way?

-S.


-- Sent from my HP TouchPad

On 1 Apr 2012 16:54, robert bauer <nybauer@gmail.com> wrote:

There have been no nominations. Let's extend the nomination period and the voting (if necessary) for a week.

Rob


On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 2:33 PM, robert bauer <nybauer@gmail.com> wrote:

It's time for the next Maemo election. Any community member who has karma of 100 or more may be nominated for Council or may nominate themselves via the maemo community mailing list (nominations must also be accepted to nteh mailing list). The nomination period will close at 23:59 UTC, Saturday, 31 March.

The voting is preliminarily scheduled to run from 00:00 UTC, Thursday, 5 April to 23:59, Wednesday, 11 April, 2012. If the community decides to nominate less than four nominees, then the nominees will be considered to represent a consensus of the community and there will be no vote.

If there is a need for a vote, each member of maemo.org, who has an account that is more than 3 months old and who has earned over 10 "karma" points on that account, gets an electronic ballot. The election is a "single transferable vote". They rank their Council candidates in order of preference; if their top candidate cannot get elected with the votes they receive, the votes are redistributed until all council seats have been allocated.

Please give serious consideration to nominating people you trust with the future of maemo. Nokia funding will end and Nokia cannot commit to handing over or licensing the website or parts of the infrastructure to the community. The current council has decided reorganizing maemo.org is not feasible for the long term and has started looking into a possible Plan B. There have also been proposals to bring Harmattan into maemo.org, and to coordinate with other projects. It is preferable that the future of maemo be made by a deliberate decision of the community. Please help that happen by nominating and voting for council members of your choice.








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Re: Maemo Elections - Extended

Andrew Flegg
Karma: 3326
2012-04-02 08:07 UTC
On 2 April 2012 04:58, Sunny B <sunnyb7532@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> We have already started plans to centralize open source parts of the
> community at www.maemocommunity.org.

Who is "we"? Where's the discussion? How do people get involved?

BTW, it's probably not a great start when the website features "Meamo" [sic].

> My opinion is that this does not moot maemo.org council quite yet.  It is
> possible we will have a Nokia official website at maemo.org and start an
> unofficial community website at maemocommunity.org.  Perhaps some resource
> sharing is possible.  It would be best to still have a council still tasked
> with communicating with Nokia since there is stuff left to sort out with
> maemo.org.

Agreed. However, it would be nice to see some more communication from
the current council; rather than all these things only being mentioned
at the end of the term.

Cheers,

Andrew

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Re: Maemo Elections - Extended

Quim Gil
Karma: 2661
2012-04-02 16:09 UTC
On 04/02/2012 01:07 AM, ext Andrew Flegg wrote:
> On 2 April 2012 04:58, Sunny B<sunnyb7532@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> We have already started plans to centralize open source parts of the
>> community at www.maemocommunity.org.

Why the need to create a new Maemo site - in 2012? Apart from paying the
maintenance bill, Nokia is not doing anything at maemo.org. The cost is
mainly the extras/downloads part, which is something not trivial
(neither cheap) to replicate elsewhere.

What is the reason in moving away from maemo.org?

If the reason is the declining energy then splitting away to a new
project is almost a suicide.

If the reason is a need to move forward to new trends then why not
jumping directly to existing projects and communities leading those
trends. There is no lack of interesting yet half-backed initiatives
needing more flesh and voices for consolidation.

And still... maemo.org has in place many elements that other projects
would wish to have. With some perspective I believe the problem is to
define a project around a brand in a time and industry when brands can
be so volatile. The core interest of maemo.org is defined by "mobile +
open + Linux" and the core assets of this community are great discussion
+ support + software.

If I would change anything in maemo.org I would go in the direction of
widening the scope to "mobile + open + Linux", keeping the current angle
on Nokia products but opening explicitly to other targets - making them
feel home. Then the infra behind http://apps.formeego.org is almost the
best kept secret in the "mobile + open + Linux" community. Some
connection would be beneficial for everybody.

At most I would go for a rename/rebrand, leaving "Maemo" behind and
embracing a concept that doesn't depend on any product name.

PS: Is there a thread at talk.maemo.org where I can re-post this? The
current active community follows a lot more the forum than this list, I
believe.

--
Quim
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Re: Maemo Elections - Extended

2012-04-02 16:49 UTC
Hi

I agrea with QG' post , fragmentation caused so many side effects ,
like if noone learn ...

"Why do people say MeeGo is dead?"
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82926

"The End is Coming: What do we do next?"
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75782&&page=38

"MeeGo forum? (maemo.org round)"
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44977

So far maemo still exists and I guess once meltemi devices will show
up, the community infrastructure will be ready...

But If the community should evolve into something larger like "mobile
open linux" ("MoOpLi" )
It may be good to consult existing communities like openmoko, mer,
tizen, replicant ?
and try to design something decentralized then future proof etc
I guess elinux wiki could be a good place to bootstrap something

Else It may became just other marketing suicide plan ...

I guess the same questions applies to meego.com

Regards


On 4/2/12, Quim Gil <quim.gil@nokia.com> wrote:
> On 04/02/2012 01:07 AM, ext Andrew Flegg wrote:
>> On 2 April 2012 04:58, Sunny B<sunnyb7532@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> We have already started plans to centralize open source parts of the
>>> community at www.maemocommunity.org.
>
> Why the need to create a new Maemo site - in 2012? Apart from paying the
> maintenance bill, Nokia is not doing anything at maemo.org. The cost is
> mainly the extras/downloads part, which is something not trivial
> (neither cheap) to replicate elsewhere.
>
> What is the reason in moving away from maemo.org?
>
> If the reason is the declining energy then splitting away to a new
> project is almost a suicide.
>
> If the reason is a need to move forward to new trends then why not
> jumping directly to existing projects and communities leading those
> trends. There is no lack of interesting yet half-backed initiatives
> needing more flesh and voices for consolidation.
>
> And still... maemo.org has in place many elements that other projects
> would wish to have. With some perspective I believe the problem is to
> define a project around a brand in a time and industry when brands can
> be so volatile. The core interest of maemo.org is defined by "mobile +
> open + Linux" and the core assets of this community are great discussion
> + support + software.
>
> If I would change anything in maemo.org I would go in the direction of
> widening the scope to "mobile + open + Linux", keeping the current angle
> on Nokia products but opening explicitly to other targets - making them
> feel home. Then the infra behind http://apps.formeego.org is almost the
> best kept secret in the "mobile + open + Linux" community. Some
> connection would be beneficial for everybody.
>
> At most I would go for a rename/rebrand, leaving "Maemo" behind and
> embracing a concept that doesn't depend on any product name.
>
> PS: Is there a thread at talk.maemo.org where I can re-post this? The
> current active community follows a lot more the forum than this list, I
> believe.
>
> --
> Quim
>


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