Fw: Re: Banned from maemo.org - someone went ape shit nuts?!

Fw: Re: Banned from maemo.org - someone went ape shit nuts?!

Piotr Jawidzyk
Karma: 946
2012-11-12 20:48 UTC
On pon 12 lis 2012 20:37:56 CET, Marcin Mielniczuk <marmistrz@linux.pl> wrote:

> > I have been banned due to, exactly, this post:
> > http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1287822&postcount=48
>
> What? You were banned because you said your opinion about candidation?
> Don't we have the freedom of speech?

It's Maemo's "freedom of speech" A.D 2012 Q4. Not so long ago, joerg reisenweberg - current Councilor, and close colleague of chemist - declared (as a chanoperator of #maemo IRC channel) that "busybox-power is a taboo" thread on IRC - it was during conversations about including IDont's work inside CSSU, which was opposed by Joerg.

As you can see, everywhere in (current) Maemo's management, we have lot of people, that have "new" view on meritocracy, freedom of speech, and FOSS ideals as a whole.

Huge "excuse me" to Mentalist Traceur, Qwazix, (Councilors) and Tim (Board Member) - as per my knowledge, they have never did, (or ignored, when witnessed) any act of power abuse, so my last comment about Councilors was too general (although three worthy people, from pool of 5 Councilors + 3 Board members, is a little sad result).

As little hope as I have for Maemo, I wonder, how they reaction for this situation will look. Banning innocent people (JCDenton, aquamarine), and my humble case of ban for being "guilty" of expressing opinion about candidacy, is enough to see, what kind of standards they present.

While I may be controversial person, I have never hurt any Community member, even less they way chemist, ivgalvez, and Reggie did (directly), with help of few others (Texrat, amongst others), that knew about abuse, and did nothing. It seems, that there are no regrets, no one feel need to pardon victims, and they're overall very proud of own exploits.

I can't imagine healthy Community, where such people are performing any official duty.

/Estel
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Re: Fw: Re: Banned from maemo.org - someone went ape shit nuts?!

Pali Rohár
Karma: 1269
2012-11-12 20:59 UTC
On Monday 12 November 2012 21:48:14 twilight312@gmail.com wrote:
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
> "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd"> <html><head>
> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
> charset=utf-8"> <meta name="generator" content="Osso Notes">
> <title></title></head>
> <body>
> <p></p>
> </body>
> </html>

Please no html only messages to mailinglist!

--
Pali Rohár
pali.rohar@gmail.com
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Re: Fw: Re: Banned from maemo.org - someone went ape shit nuts?!

Marcin Mielniczuk
Karma: 564
2012-11-13 12:15 UTC
On Mo., 12. Nov. 2012 20:59:11 CET, Pali Rohár <pali.rohar@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday 12 November 2012 21:48:14 twilight312@gmail.com wrote:
> > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
> > "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd"> <html><head>
> > <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
> > charset=utf-8"> <meta name="generator" content="Osso Notes">
> > <title></title></head>
> > <body>
> > <p></p>
> > </body>
> > </html>
>
> Please no html only messages to mailinglist!
>
> --
> Pali Rohár
> pali.rohar@gmail.com

It's not Estel's fault, I'm not getting any html messages. Maybe it's some e-mail client/e-mail provider issue?
--
Sent from my Nokia N900
Marcin
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Re: Fw: Re: Banned from maemo.org - someone went ape shit nuts?!

Pali Rohár
Karma: 1269
2012-11-13 12:34 UTC
On Tuesday 13 November 2012 13:15:54 Marcin Mielniczuk wrote:
> On Mo., 12. Nov. 2012 20:59:11 CET, Pali Rohár
<pali.rohar@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Monday 12 November 2012 21:48:14 twilight312@gmail.com
wrote:
> > > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01
> > > Transitional//EN"
> > > "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd"> <html><head>
> > > <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
> > > charset=utf-8"> <meta name="generator" content="Osso
> > > Notes">
> > > <title></title></head>
> > > <body>
> > > <p></p>
> > > </body>
> > > </html>
> >
> > Please no html only messages to mailinglist!
>
> It's not Estel's fault, I'm not getting any html messages.
> Maybe it's some e-mail client/e-mail provider issue?

For part -eWlyVX/nyn+zoDMdm5fS I see only text/html. Maybe email
was corrupted? Or your client converting text/html only part to
plain text?

--
Pali Rohár
pali.rohar@gmail.com
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Email formatting [was: Re: Fw: Re: Banned from maemo.org - someone went ape shit nuts?!]

Andre Klapper
Karma: 1248
2012-11-13 12:38 UTC
On Tue, 2012-11-13 at 13:15 +0100, Marcin Mielniczuk wrote:
> It's not Estel's fault, I'm not getting any html messages. Maybe it's
> some e-mail client/e-mail provider issue?

Yes, yours. ;)
Probably your mail client is set to prefer plain text to HTML.

See its source:
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
Content-Type: text/plain;
Content-Type: text/html;

andre
--
Andre Klapper | Bugmaster
http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/

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Re: [OT] Email formatting [was: Re: Fw: Re: Banned from maemo.org - someone went ape shit nuts?!]

Joerg Reisenweber
Karma: 1146
2012-11-13 13:04 UTC
Di 13. November 2012
> On Tue, 2012-11-13 at 13:15 +0100, Marcin Mielniczuk wrote:
> > It's not Estel's fault, I'm not getting any html messages. Maybe it's
> > some e-mail client/e-mail provider issue?
>
> Yes, yours. ;)
> Probably your mail client is set to prefer plain text to HTML.
>
> See its source:
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
> Content-Type: text/plain;
> Content-Type: text/html;
>
> andre
>

nope, that's an issue with the mail, I'm having same problem. And yes, I've
forbidden HTML display on my mail client (like everybody concerned about
security is supposed to do). Still it displays HTML formatting tags in the
text/plain part here

Generally sending HTML for mail is a poor idea, even multipart/alternative.
But this particular mail is somehow messed up in a special way I don't see
with other multipart/alternative.

Marcin Mielniczuk's client probably is set up to show the *HTML*-part, so the
mess in text/plain part doesn't show up for him?

/j
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Re: [OT] Email formatting [was: Re: Fw: Re: Banned from maemo.org - someone went ape shit nuts?!]

Joerg Reisenweber
Karma: 1146
2012-11-13 13:09 UTC
Di 13. November 2012
> On Tue, 2012-11-13 at 13:15 +0100, Marcin Mielniczuk wrote:
> > It's not Estel's fault, I'm not getting any html messages. Maybe it's
> > some e-mail client/e-mail provider issue?
>
> Yes, yours. ;)
> Probably your mail client is set to prefer plain text to HTML.
>
> See its source:
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
> Content-Type: text/plain;
> Content-Type: text/html;
>
> andre
>
sorry, nevermind my previous post. The text/plain part has 0 bytes, which
makes a more clever mail client like kmail show "warning! this is a HTML-only
message. For security reasons only the HTML raw source text is shown..." if
the policy is set to plaintext only.

Clearly the original mail is kinda messy format.
/j
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Re: [OT] Email formatting [was: Re: Fw: Re: Banned from maemo.org - someone went ape shit nuts?!]

Marcin Mielniczuk
Karma: 564
2012-11-13 14:27 UTC
I'm using both Gmail webinterface and modest on default options and
absolutely no problem...
--
Marcin



2012/11/13 Joerg Reisenweber <joerg@openmoko.org>

> Di 13. November 2012
> > On Tue, 2012-11-13 at 13:15 +0100, Marcin Mielniczuk wrote:
> > > It's not Estel's fault, I'm not getting any html messages. Maybe it's
> > > some e-mail client/e-mail provider issue?
> >
> > Yes, yours. ;)
> > Probably your mail client is set to prefer plain text to HTML.
> >
> > See its source:
> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
> > Content-Type: text/plain;
> > Content-Type: text/html;
> >
> > andre
> >
> sorry, nevermind my previous post. The text/plain part has 0 bytes, which
> makes a more clever mail client like kmail show "warning! this is a
> HTML-only
> message. For security reasons only the HTML raw source text is shown..." if
> the policy is set to plaintext only.
>
> Clearly the original mail is kinda messy format.
> /j
>

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